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UPS Pilots OK Union To Strike  
User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3100 posts, RR: 10
Posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4286 times:

Courtesy: Atlanta Business Chronicle

http://www.bizjournals.com/industrie...ts/2005/08/29/atlanta_daily33.html

54 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineAAFLT1871 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2333 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4267 times:

"However, in light of the national tragedy following Hurricane Katrina, IPA pilots want to assist Gulf Coast residents by volunteering to fly relief missions to Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana, without pay.

How nice of them to volunteer themselves to do this, then turn around and fuck the rest of us who use them.



Where did everybody go?
User currently offlineSquad55 From Canada, joined Nov 2001, 258 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4236 times:

What are the chances of the Teamsters honoring the IPA strike. Last year in November the IPA honored the Teamsters Canada strike (UPS).

User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2815 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4229 times:

What the hell is going on? Is this International Year of the Militant Unionist?

User currently offline8B775ZQ From St. Kitts and Nevis, joined Aug 2005, 228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4204 times:

Can't we all just get along.....

User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3606 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4166 times:

Quoting Squad55 (Reply 2):
What are the chances of the Teamsters honoring the IPA strike. Last year in November the IPA honored the Teamsters Canada strike (UPS).

The Teamsters have said they'll support the pilots. Whether that actually happens or not is anyone's guess.

EDIT: I think once the IPA goes on strike, if they go on strike, this will be remedied quickly by UPS. By the time the cooling period is over, we'll be getting pretty close to peak season and that'll be a huge bargaining chip for the pilots. Especially if the Teamsters hold strong with them.

[Edited 2005-09-04 01:27:06]


PHX based
User currently offlineAirRyan From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2532 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4144 times:

UPS - Those bastards still owe me $88 for "seasonal" help last December before I tweaked my knee! Where's a union rep when you need one?!  bomb 

User currently offlineKabAir From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 245 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4135 times:

Guys and gals, I have a thought here -

Instead of continuing to start threads about airline worker strikes and threats of strikes, perhaps we should start threads about airline workers that are NOT striking/threatening to strike. This would save a lot of room on the board.

 Smile

Cheers



wow, there sure are a lot of expert economists on this forum....
User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4129 times:

Geez, not another one.




Go FedEx!  Big grin



Crye me a river
User currently offlineUAL Bagsmasher From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 2146 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4126 times:

Maybe airline workers are finally putting their collective feet down and saying enough is enough. It's now time to pass on the cost of doing business to the consumer, rather than the employee. Every other business can do it, why not airlines?

User currently offlineKabAir From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 245 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4120 times:

Quoting UAL Bagsmasher (Reply 9):
It's now time to pass on the cost of doing business to the consumer, rather than the employee. Every other business can do it, why not airlines?

So you're saying that airlines are the only kind of businesses that lay off workers, cut benefits, and so on rather than passing on costs to customers? I must be missing something here.



wow, there sure are a lot of expert economists on this forum....
User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4100 times:

Quoting KabAir (Reply 10):
I must be missing something here.

I think the rest of the world's economy is missing that point too.  Big grin



Crye me a river
User currently offlineNASOCEANA From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4075 times:

We'll be glad to accept the additional business here at FedEx! I survived a
'Brownout" once before.



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User currently offlineTUNisia From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1844 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4032 times:

Not to mention UPS is far less dependable than FedEx, and they cost more!


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User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4025 times:

...and take forever!

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineGEG2RAP From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 851 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3955 times:

Quoting Squad55 (Reply 2):
What are the chances of the Teamsters honoring the IPA strike. Last year in November the IPA honored the Teamsters Canada strike (UPS)

110%, they honored our in the 90's strike.

Quoting TUNisia (Reply 13):
Not to mention UPS is far less dependable than FedEx, and they cost more!

You must have them confused with DHL. By the way UPS has never had a plane crash....how many package go late when that happens?


User currently offlineAdriaticus From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1137 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3921 times:

A strike in UPS is of concern for FedEx anyway. A sudden overflow of packages, perhaps up to double the average volume, is something worth loosing sleep...

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User currently offlineSquad55 From Canada, joined Nov 2001, 258 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3900 times:

Quoting Adriaticus (Reply 16):

Yes that is true. When UPS in Canada went on strike other couriers could not handle the volume. DHL can barely handle their volume as it is without leaving packages behind a day or two. Our UPS Canada stike only lasted one day, which was a waste of time IMHO.


User currently offlineUadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3891 times:

What the hell is going on? Is this International Year of the Militant Unionist?-----GLOM


militanta unionist??????i did not see the union bretheren at nwa come to amfas defense and i see that doug wants to break the flt attds union as well...what i find funny is that every airline employee from vp up has a "contract"with that airline which basically make the dougs,jerrys and glens of the airline world a one man union....carty at AA was a non dues paying member of local 1 of the airline C.E.O.s virtual union....when tilton turned over the pension to the pbgc.......he still kept his million dollar pension.....the only real gainers of a "union"are the top people at a airline as they get to keep there "negotiated" contracts that were signed on the employees blood iregardless of what the outcome to the minions.....when you look up militant unionist you will see a picture of that greatest one man union to grace the american skies....STEVEN WOLF.....when he was ready to tear apart united...he still kept shipping the italian stone from fco and mxp to iad for his castle in VA...al the while selling off the kitchens and trying to pimp ual off to the pilots,BA and marvin davis....



bus driver.......move that bus:)
User currently offlineGEG2RAP From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 851 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3782 times:

Quoting Adriaticus (Reply 16):
A strike in UPS is of concern for FedEx anyway. A sudden overflow of packages, perhaps up to double the average volume, is something worth loosing sleep...

Especially if it happens during Xmas season, simply put even the USPS DHL and Fedex combined do not handle the ground volume UPS does every day.

Quoting Uadc8contrail (Reply 18):
What the hell is going on? Is this International Year of the Militant Unionist?-----GLOM

UPS Pilot can add more on this but from the pilots I have talked to it is more a quality of life issue than a pay issue.


User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3606 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3762 times:

UPS is the world's biggest package carrier by far. FedEx and DHL along with USPS in the states won't be able to handle that kind of flow, especially if this comes to fruition in October, November, and/or December.....traditionally the heaviest months for obvious reasons.


PHX based
User currently offlineSquad55 From Canada, joined Nov 2001, 258 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3729 times:

So when is the timeline for a strike. They said they don't want to strike now because they want to fly relif flights. Can they strike whenever they want now?

User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3606 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3450 times:

Quoting Squad55 (Reply 21):
So when is the timeline for a strike. They said they don't want to strike now because they want to fly relif flights. Can they strike whenever they want now?

There's a mandatory 30 day cooling off period after which, if UPS doesn't acquiesce, they're free to strike. It's convenient for the pilots, they can help with Katrina while waiting out the cooling off period.



PHX based
User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12134 posts, RR: 51
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks ago) and read 3304 times:

Quoting UAL Bagsmasher (Reply 9):
Maybe airline workers are finally putting their collective feet down and saying enough is enough. It's now time to pass on the cost of doing business to the consumer, rather than the employee.

Yea, it is alway screw the consumer. That is always the unions ultimate goal, not the company they work for, because the company passes the costs on. Then the union workers, who are also consumers (but to STUPID to know that) complain because the cost of living went up. Then the want more money and benifits. They NEVER want to give back to save their jobs when the company is in trouble.

Quoting Uadc8contrail (Reply 18):
militanta unionist??????

Yeah, or would you prefre I call these union thugs what they really are-ASSHOLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Quoting Squad55 (Reply 21):
So when is the timeline for a strike. They said they don't want to strike now because they want to fly relif flights. Can they strike whenever they want now?

That way they can look good, to the average public, while they turn around and screw the rest of us.

Quoting 777STL (Reply 22):
There's a mandatory 30 day cooling off period after which, if UPS doesn't acquiesce, they're free to strike. It's convenient for the pilots, they can help with Katrina while waiting out the cooling off period.

Aren't the pilots at UPS some of the highest paid pilots in the world, today?

BTW, (off topic) police just shot 8 looters in New Orleans. I hope they are all union members.


User currently offlineIlikeyyc From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1373 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks ago) and read 3285 times:

Quoting GEG2RAP (Reply 15):
By the way UPS has never had a plane crash....how many package go late when that happens?

Try again...
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20001211X11043&key=1



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25 Squad55 : We have never written off a plane due to a accident, nor has any of our employees died in an aviation accident. That particular 763 is back in servic
26 Ilikeyyc : And likewise you should be proud of that. I guess it all depends on the criteria for a "crash".
27 Squad55 : Yes I agree with you. In fact I believe one of our MD-11's suffered damage when it's nose gear collapsed upon landing in SDF.
28 Ilikeyyc : Yes, I saw that when I was searching through the accident reports. But I wouldn't call that one a "crash" so I didn't post it. Though I still have to
29 NASOCEANA : UPS outpaces FedEx in ground delivery. However, FedEx has a larger lift capacity than any other package courier in the world! Yes we may not be able
30 777STL : Yes they are but this isn't strictly about wages, it's about quality of life i.e. schedules, vacation, health benefits, pensions etc. UPS is also sig
31 BrowntailWhale : You are dead WRONG!!!! Air is MUCH more profitable than ground!!!!
32 Post contains images 777WT : I always use UPS, a bit cheaper than FedEx here but way more reliable performance. FedEx Ground has caused me major problems before; 4 years ago: From
33 GEG2RAP : what is your source for this? Look at ups annual report for last year the amount made per ground shipment is 14X that per air shipment. Just because
34 Post contains links 777STL : You might want to stick to flying airplanes and leave the business related topics to the people who know what they're talking about. I'm sorry sir, b
35 UPSMD11 : FedEx pilots have a union as do all other airlines. FedEx pilots could strike as easily as UPS. If my memory serves me correctly they are currently i
36 Jjbiv : Just a small correction, not "all other airlines" have a union. joe
37 NASOCEANA : UPS is first and foremost a ground courier, FedEx is first and foremost an air courier. I very seriously doubt that FedEx would allow its pilots unio
38 KC135TopBoom : With the stock options UPS offers it's employees (UPS is one of the most successful stocks on the NYXE), and the current "quality of life" benifits,
39 BrowntailWhale : We're about to get a whole lot greedier!
40 UPS757 : 95% of our pilots are hard working and will do what ever it takes "Safely" to move the packages from one gateway to the next. The other 5% think their
41 Adriaticus : It has happened in the past. As just about everything in FedEx, there is a back-up plan and a fall-back plan. In the absolutely worst case scenario,
42 Squad55 : Fedex is also facing lawsuits from it's independent Contractors which operate Fedex Ground. They are facing lawsuits in a couple of states. Fedex Gro
43 GEG2RAP : Do you know what quality of life means? hint quality of life does not equal MORE MONEY. Rumor is UPS offfered the pilots a generous across the board
44 UPS Pilot : Scope is the only real issue of negotiations at this point. UPS757 had a good comment about 5% of UPS pilots. I think Tom Nicholson is one of those 5%
45 Post contains images ER757 : Hey UPS guys - if you do end up deciding to strike, post something here about a week beforehand so I can apply for leave of absence. I went through he
46 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : Your mom is stupid.
47 777STL : FedEx Ground's reliability suffers from this though. UPS has the advantage of being entirely company owned and the standardization that goes along wi
48 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : You're exactly right, which is why Ground isn't going to be the forefront of the FedEx corporation anytime soon. The independent contractor bit makes
49 Kaniksu : I decided to stop using UPS when they striked last.
50 Squad55 : Just think if everyone thought like this, and decided to stop using a company due to a strike.. yikes.
51 UPSMD11 : UPS is one of the best managed companies in the world and I could almost guarantee that top management has contingency plans in place IF a strike wer
52 UPS Pilot : The mediator just called both sides back to D.C. to resume talks ending the indefinite recess. The talks are starting Sept 15 and 16. As UPS MD-11 sta
53 Post contains links KarlB737 : Following up on the previous post by UPS Pilot Courtesy: BizJournals UPS And Pilots To Resume Negotiations http://www.bizjournals.com/industrie.../200
54 Laxintl : I'm sure the union will do all possible to plan the 30 day cool down release to coincide with the Xmas shipping rush in order to put maximum pressure
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