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Any Plans For The New US Airways Express?  
User currently offlineAkjetBlue From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 790 posts, RR: 5
Posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7901 times:

My curiosity of the New US Airways is getting to me as US Air was my hometown airline when I grew up in VA, and it hold a special place with me. With the removal of the F-28s from the US fleet in the 90s my hometown of Charlottesville (CHO) was left with a fleet of US Express Dash-8s. Only just recently in the past year have we begun to see the addition of ERJs and CRJs.



So, with the new US/HP merger what’s to become of US Express? I would guess that the two different mainline airlines will operate under there own certificate for a year or so however will there be any shifting of the wholly owned US Express to the West? What about the new AirWisky operations… are they too going to stay all on the east coast? Will AirWisky run Dash-8s like they did for SA)">UA years back, or just CRJs? How many express carriers will be under the US Express banner in total?

Currently MESA I believe operates Dash 8-200s for SA)">HP out of PHX. The Dash-8 200 seems like it might be a good aircraft for some of the thinner routes out west. US has been a believer in the Dash 8, now with the increase in fuel prices is there a possibility of US going for the Q400? is there a poss of a Piedmont base in PHX or LAS? Rumor is that the CR7 and CR9 are on their way to having a base in CLT. Where will these be parked? E concourse or will they park at a jetbridge?

What’s the possibility of a more central focus hub where they could better use Express aircraft? US and SA)">HP both are believers in the hub and spoke system, yet HPs two hubs are LAS & PHX which within an hours travel of each other. If you wanted go say from PDX to PHL on the new US it might be flying all the way south the PHX or LAS and then onto PHL. Are there possibilities of more focus cities out west?

US had talked once about doing more point to point routes, is this what we might see rather than additional cities to already established hubs? I’m guessing with the removal of the 737s we won’t see the “four stop direct” flights across the country as southwest does. Maybe run a Q400 from city to city to city?

Anyone know when the first of the new paint scheme will be seen on an express aircraft?


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I’d love to hear some thoughts on the possible changes being made to the New US Airways and Express partners.

[Edited 2005-09-04 13:31:52]


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User currently offlineJmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3308 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7813 times:

Quoting AkjetBlue (Thread starter):
If you wanted go say from PDX to PHL on the new US it might be flying all the way south the PHX or LAS and then onto PHL.

PDX is a likely candidate to see nonstop service to PHL. It would most likely start off with daily service with an A319 and then possibly expand as the market develops. In a couple years, you could see twice-daily PDX-PHL and daily PDX-CLT.



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User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4304 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7700 times:

Quoting AkjetBlue (Thread starter):

Anyone know when the first of the new paint scheme will be seen on an express aircraft?

Likely September 15. Air Wisconsin is sending ten United Express planes in for repainting into USAirways colors. These will be the first planes to carry the new paint scheme. By March, 67 of the 70 Air Wisconsin CRJ's will be in the new paint scheme, all but 406, 407, and 410, which were repainted just before US unveiled the new color scheme.

Air Wisconsin will not be operating Dash 8's for USAirways. If we operate anything more it will be 90 seat equipment, but its tough to say if we will or not.

I can tell you also that PSA is pulling out of PHL completely and will be reestablishing their base in CLT. There are a few gates on the E concourse that have jet ways by the way. PHL will be Air Wisconsins biggest city, and they will also have a big presence at DCA by years end.

As far as Phoenix. That is something that many Air Wisconsin pilots would love to see, as many of them have homes in Denver and commute to the east every trip. Will it happen? Its tough to say at this point. But we would like to see it.


User currently offlineFlyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7583 times:

It is still unknown how Mesa Airlines will play into the new merged carrier. We know for sure some of the CR9's are moving out east (they are already loaded in the Nov. schedule out of CLT) The company told us they do not know how much flying Mesa will do everywhere else. I only pray we get another carrier out West that will hopefully provide better performance than Mesa.

User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3132 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7547 times:

ZW has got a couple of the CRJ's painted in the US livery. I know 406 and 410ZW are painted in US colors. I don't know how many others are painted as of right now. We get the two of them in to MKE as the CLT and PHL flights, outside of the MESA flight.


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User currently offlineFlyboy80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1879 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7516 times:

Is HP express going to retain 200 flying for the time being??? Its been talked about lots in the past that HP express had plans of all 900/ Dash 8

User currently offlineATWZW170 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 904 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7493 times:

I know that ZW will have 10 RJ's in the brand new livery. As far as where US Airways Express is going to go, who knows. Most of us with Air Wis want to see us take over most of Mesa routes. Does anyone know is HP is happy with Mesa? Once the merger is through Air Wis will have one seat on the board and control 14% of the stock, not a small amount for a company like Air Wis. I can't wait to see what actually happens once the merger is done.


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User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4304 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7498 times:

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 4):
SA)">ZW has got a couple of the CRJ's painted in the US livery. I know 406 and 410ZW are painted in US colors. I don't know how many others are painted as of right now. We get the two of them in to MKE as the CLT and PHL flights, outside of the MESA flight.

As I said above its 406, 407, and 410 that are in USAirways colors, which are the old navy blue colors. Next week, ten more planes leave United for repainting, and these will be the first ever USAirways Express planes to carry the new paint. I suspect that by the time March rolls around, most of the USAirways express traffic in PHL will be in the new colors. A nice fresh look for PHL.


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7711 posts, RR: 27
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7311 times:

For the time being, Mesa will continue to operate Dash-8-200's out of PHX, and Piedmont, the wholly-owned for USAirways will continue to operate the Dash-8-200's & 300's out east from PHL, CLT, PIT, LGA. It will likely stay that way even after the merger. The Dash-8 is an important aircraft and can be very profitable by accessing markets that are either uneconomical or have short runways that cannot be served by RJ's. Mesa also flies Dash-8's out west for United Express out of DEN. Due to the vast distance in between PHX and the East Coast ops, the Dash-8 networks are completely seperate so its not likely that any significant savings could occur by consolidating to one operator since they can't easily reposition aircraft and crews between different bases.

USAirways needs to rationalize its turboprop and RJ flying on the East Coast. There are way too many 100 mile flights that are seeing RJ's, that would much better be served by a Dash-8. The Dash-8-300 seats the same as an ERJ-145 or CRJ-200, but they are extremely hard to find on the used aircraft market.


User currently offlineFlyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7281 times:

Quoting Flyboy80 (Reply 5):
Its been talked about lots in the past that HP express had plans of all 900/ Dash 8

Actually the plans were to get rid of the Dash-8 entirely...but of course that was before the merger...I have no idea what is up now. CRj-200 flights were actually added for the Nov/Dec schedule because many CR9's are leaving the west coast.

Quoting ATWZW170 (Reply 6):
Does anyone know is HP is happy with Mesa?

Happy with the revenue they bring in....NOT happy with their performance. They have dragged our name through the mud just as we were cleaning up our own problems. It's been pretty bad. I work in TUS and we went all Mesa almost a couple years ago....we started getting more and more of their flights right afer 9/11 so for the past 4 years we've been in misery..argh.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33195 posts, RR: 71
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7214 times:

US Airways Express carrier Republic Airways is hiring for a base in Fort Lauderdale, so look for something to happen out of there.


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User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4103 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7198 times:

Quoting Flyboyaz (Reply 9):
They have dragged our name through the mud just as we were cleaning up our own problems

Pretty much the impression I got out of it. I know a lot of the Mesa employees are pretty disgruntled as well, they have a way of bringing down anyone around them. Thank goodness our stations have HP employees working the Mesa planes instead of Mesa employees.

Off topic, I knew someone who was hired in January and went off to work on the ramp in TUS. Forget their name, but ring a bell?


User currently offlineWeb From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 427 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7109 times:

How about B1900 and Saab 340 flying? Colgan Air has decent ops for US out east, and Air Midwest has sizeable ops out of MCI. What is to happen with these carriers?


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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7711 posts, RR: 27
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7038 times:

Quoting Web (Reply 12):
How about B1900 and Saab 340 flying? Colgan Air has decent ops for US out east, and Air Midwest has sizeable ops out of MCI. What is to happen with these carriers?

The Air Midwest flights are all EAS flying, meaning that the government subsizes these flights. They will remain. Same goes for Colgan, they has some EAS flying, and the rest of their routes are at-risk. Meaning, Colgan picks where they want to fly, and pays a fee to sell then under the USAirways Express brand. The only stuff thats up in the air in all the fee-per-departure regional flying.


User currently offlineUafedexflyboy From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6982 times:

HPRamper & Flyboyaz

As HP employees I expect a bias towards your airline...just as I have an, ever so slight, bias towards YV as they are my employer. However, if you take time to look at the two operations you'll see that, performance wise, we're pretty evenly matched. In fact, the OTP percentages from the past 2 months, and then some, out of PHX have YV ahead of HP. The only real difference is the attitude of the front line employees from both airlines. The HP employees don't like YV employees because we "don't know what we're doing," which really isn't true. The complete opposite is true between HP/YV management. We have an excellent working relationship. I have a number of meetings with HP on a weekly basis and those meetings only solidify the fact that the "ill feelings" felt between both lie, solely, with the front line employees. I am not, by any stretch of the imagination, saying that YV is perfect or even better than HP. The pax only see us as one airline...as soon as we can get the employees to see that we'll be a-ok!



Getting back to the point of the post...

We (HP/YV) are pulling 2 CR9s out of the HP system, having them repainted, and sent back east into the US system in October. At the same time we are expecting delivery of 3 new CR9s from Bombardier. So yes, CR9s are going to the US system, but it won't actually hurt the HP system as far as CR9s are concerned.


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7554 posts, RR: 23
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6884 times:

Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 1):
Quoting AkjetBlue (Thread starter):
If you wanted go say from PDX to PHL on the new US it might be flying all the way south the PHX or LAS and then onto PHL.

PDX is a likely candidate to see nonstop service to PHL. It would most likely start off with daily service with an A319 and then possibly expand as the market develops. In a couple years, you could see twice-daily PDX-PHL and daily PDX-CLT.

Not so sure about PDX getting non-stop PHL or CLT service through US as of yet. PHL-PDX non-stop service has been talked about & pondered since 2000 as part of the since-halted UA-US merger. US did consider starting PHL-PDX service on its own for June 2002 but the 9/11/01 downturn & its first Chapter 11 filing killed off that proposal.

Should the new US add PDX to its PHL and/or CLT nonstops; I don't see it happening for at least a couple of years.



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User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6824 times:

Quoting Uafedexflyboy (Reply 14):
We (HP/YV) are pulling 2 CR9s out of the HP system, having them repainted, and sent back east into the US system in October. At the same time we are expecting delivery of 3 new CR9s from Bombardier. So yes, CR9s are going to the US system, but it won't actually hurt the HP system as far as CR9s are concerned.

That's October. Take a look at November, where the CR9s operate 23 departures out of CLT. That's more than 2 planes, and they'll keep on coming. It will indeed impact the HP system--but I agree that it won't "hurt" the HP system, seeing as how it's more profitable for them to send the flying out east.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 15):
US did consider starting PHL-PDX service on its own for June 2002

They more than considered it--they announced it. It was 9/11 that cancelled it.

But I think you're right, and that with the company's stated goal of slashing transcon capacity, and the dearth of available planes, it's probably not going to happen now.

Quote:
US AIRWAYS TO BEGIN PORTLAND, OREGON FLIGHTS FROM PITTSBURGH AND PHILADELPHIA

Arlington, Va., Aug. 29, 2001 -- Portland, Ore., will be added as a new destination on the US Airways route network when the company introduces daily nonstop roundtrip service from both Pittsburgh and Philadelphia, effective June 2, 2002.

US Airways will operate two daily nonstop flights from Pittsburgh and one daily nonstop flight from Philadelphia using 120-seat Airbus A319 aircraft.

"We see great opportunity for Portland-area customers to fly our new nonstop service, not only to our hubs in Pittsburgh and Philadelphia, but to many other business and vacation centers in the eastern U.S. and Europe," said Gregory T. Taylor, US Airways senior vice president – planning.

Taylor added that customers flying to Portland from other parts of the US Airways system will be able to choose from three well-timed hub connections on modern Airbus aircraft, bringing greater levels of comfort to transcontinental travel.

US Airways and US Airways Express currently operate 544 daily departures from Pittsburgh and 414 daily departures from Philadelphia.

US Airways, the US Airways Express carriers, US Airways Shuttle, and MetroJet fly to 204 destinations worldwide, including 38 states in the U.S., Aruba, Bermuda, Cancun, Grand Cayman, Montego Bay, Nassau, San Juan, Santo Domingo, St. Thomas, St. Maarten, St. Croix, and the Canadian destinations of Toronto, Montreal, and Ottawa. US Airways’ transatlantic destinations include Amsterdam, Brussels, Frankfurt, London, Madrid, Manchester, Munich, Paris and Rome.

For additional information on US Airways’ fares and schedules, contact US Airways at 1-800-428-4322, or visit US Airways online at usairways.com.

Reporters needing additional information should contact US Airways Corporate Communications at (703) 872-5100.


[Edited 2005-09-06 19:51:25]


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User currently offlineJmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3308 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6786 times:

Quoting A330323X (Reply 16):
It will indeed impact the HP system--but I agree that it won't "hurt" the HP system, seeing as how it's more profitable for them to send the flying out east.

Those CR9s that US is getting from the HP system comes from the discontinuation of LAX-MZT/YVR/YEG/PVR, etc., which have been logistical nightmares for HP, especially at LAX. The CR9s will be better utilized out of CLT.



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User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4103 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6786 times:

Wow, I had no idea PIT was a busier operation than PHL back then.

I should also call that phone number and demand information on why their aircraft are nowhere to be seen in PDX.


User currently offlineAkjetBlue From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 790 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6590 times:

Anyone know which stations will see the CR9s? Will this be an addition in flights or upgrades to larger aircraft. Will the CR9s maybe replace some of the Boeing flying since they are removing aircraft?

Wouldn't mind seeing a CR9 in CHO or ROA...



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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4707 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6573 times:

I know someone who would be devistated if they took that Dash-8s out of LYH! A simple photo search would answer that question!


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User currently offlineAkjetBlue From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 790 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6547 times:

Isn't that the truth!

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User currently offlineVatveng From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1009 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6480 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 8):
The Dash-8 is an important aircraft and can be very profitable by accessing markets that are either uneconomical or have short runways that cannot be served by RJ's.

No wonder they fly so many of those tin cans. Wretched excuse for an airplane, but I guess it works for US. But I'll drive before I get on another Dash-8.



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User currently offlineAkjetBlue From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 790 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6337 times:

I believe that the Dash8 was org intended to be a similar A/C to the Dash 7 which was to do close city routes like PHL to LGA not to be used on CLT JAX. The A/C isn't exactly the fastest one out there...


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