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Air France Adding More 777-300ER Service To Beirut  
User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11154 posts, RR: 59
Posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5713 times:

Air France flies to Beirut on a daily basis using Boeing 777-200ERs. About a month ago, they announced that with the start of the winter schedule, the Saturday flight (busiest day of the week on this route) will be upgraded to a 777-300ER. This is being further increased.

Starting November 5, the Saturday flight will be upgraded from a 777-200ER to a 777-300ER. This upgrade was announced about a month ago.

Starting January 10, the Tuesday, Friday, and Sunday flights will be upgraded from 777-200ERs to 777-300ERs. This upgrade was just announced recently.

777-200ERs will then only be flown to Beirut on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays.

This means Air France will fly 3x weekly 777-200ERs and 4x weekly 777-300ERs on the Paris - Beirut route.

AF 566 departs Paris Charles de Gaulle Int'l at 8:35AM arriving in Beirut Rafic Hariri Int'l at 1:45PM. AF 565 departs Beirut Rafic Hariri Int'l at 3:45PM arriving in Paris Charles de Gaulle at 7:30PM.

Air France also code-shares on MEA's daily A321-200 and daily A330-200 flights providing nearly 700 seats per day on the route. MEA plans to acquire a 4th A330-200 in the near future to allow them to replace the A321 flight with an A330-200 for a total of 2 daily A330-200 flights.

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User currently offlineYegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1732 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5624 times:

why can't AF fly twice daily to BEY using A330's rather than deploying the 777s. That way they can provide more flexible schedules (and more seats)

User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8197 posts, RR: 54
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5509 times:

On that schedule, does the crew night stop in BEY or turn around and fly back to Paris on the same day? The two flights don't add up to much (four hours in one direction, four and a half on the way back) but including the two hours on the ground at Hariri airport makes for quite a long work day - 11 or 12 hours from crew checkin to getting the bus back to the employees car park.


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User currently offlineFOMEA From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 850 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5410 times:

Quoting Yegbey01 (Reply 1):
why can't AF fly twice daily to BEY using A330's rather than deploying the 777s. That way they can provide more flexible schedules (and more seats)

Maybe it has something to do with their codeshare Agreements.


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User currently offlineFLYSSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7428 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5365 times:

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 2):
On that schedule, does the crew night stop in BEY or turn around and fly back to Paris on the same day?

The CREW satys overnight in BEY  hyper 
And on the additionnal flight of the week end, the Crew stays TWO nights there ... leaving CDG early on friday morning, back to CDG on sunday evening...


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11154 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5301 times:

Quoting Yegbey01 (Reply 1):
why can't AF fly twice daily to BEY using A330's rather than deploying the 777s. That way they can provide more flexible schedules (and more seats)

Because only their 777s have F class. BEY has very high demand for First Class on this route.

The AF flight by the way primarily caters the market between Paris and Beirut, the large Lebanese community living in France who are very well to do.

MEA's flights are timed for connections on AF flights to North and South America.

Regards



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User currently offlineMEA310 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2002, 660 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5289 times:

I am surprised but happy about this upgrade, although on my flight from CDG last wednesday the 777 was far from full. Barely 50 people in Tempo including myself, I wonder what it's like in the winter. Best of luck for AF, I enjoyed my trip with them, I'll be posting a trip report as soon as I'm done with it.

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User currently offlineLegendDC9 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5285 times:

You know, It's time they changed their livery.

User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11154 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5176 times:

Quoting LegendDC9 (Reply 7):
You know, It's time they changed their livery.

I disagree. While the Air France livery is quite old, it is highly recognizable throughout the world. I happen to like it and I hope they don't change it anytime soon...

Regards



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User currently offlineBrightCedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1290 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5091 times:

BA, I do agree with you that the First Class product is needed on the Paris-Beirut Air France route but I do not agree to generalize that all members of the Lebanese community based in Paris or France for that matter are so well off. The First Class product is also there to cater for the Lebanese traveling thru CDG in and out of BEY from or to another point in the world, mainly in North and South America. Most Lebanese living in France will never experience the Air France Business or First (sometimes not even its Economy as other red-eye options with a stopover are often far cheaper), nor will they experience MEA's Cedar or Economy class either.

This said, I'm very happy to think that the 777-300ER's will be landing at BEY on a regular basis!



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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11154 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5075 times:

Quoting BrightCedars (Reply 9):
BA, I do agree with you that the First Class product is needed on the Paris-Beirut Air France route but I do not agree to generalize that all members of the Lebanese community based in Paris or France for that matter are so well off.

I never said that the Lebanese community in France are all well-off, however it is well known that many Lebanese expats living in France are very well off.

Quoting BrightCedars (Reply 9):
The First Class product is also there to cater for the Lebanese traveling thru CDG in and out of BEY from or to another point in the world, mainly in North and South America.

Actually it's been mentioned before (by FlySSC and others), that the AF flight does not cater connections to/from North and South America as the flight is not timed properly to do so. It primarily caters the large O&D market between the two countries. MEA's flights are timed the way they are to offer connections from Paris to North and South America.

Quoting BrightCedars (Reply 9):
Most Lebanese living in France will never experience the Air France Business or First (sometimes not even its Economy as other red-eye options with a stopover are often far cheaper), nor will they experience MEA's Cedar or Economy class either.

As I mentioned earlier, the AF flight is not timed properly for connections to North and South America. It primarily caters the O&D market between the two countries. Therefore, First or Business class must largely fill up from Lebanese residing in France.

Regards



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User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2174 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5018 times:

I actually think the AF flight CDGBEY doesn't sell well at all because the departure time is lousy for traffic originating at CDG. The later flights on MEA fill much better.

User currently offlineBEYauty From Lebanon, joined Aug 2005, 163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4944 times:

Quoting BA (Thread starter):
About a month ago, they announced that with the start of the winter schedule, the Saturday flight (busiest day of the week on this route) will be upgraded to a 777-300ER. This is being further increased.

I was under the impression that the busiest season would be summer and not winter. Either way, it's nice to see additional traffic in and out of BEY, and a the addition of the 773ER. Also, glad to hear that MEA will be adding another A332


User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2174 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4891 times:

Quoting BEYauty (Reply 12):
I was under the impression that the busiest season would be summer and not winter. Either way, it's nice to see additional traffic in and out of BEY, and a the addition of the 773ER. Also, glad to hear that MEA will be adding another A332

AF probably pulls a lot of capacity off super-seasonal routes (North America) and can better deploy the aircraft to BEY and other high-revenue points.


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