Airlinerfreak From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6636 times:
With a trip coming up to MEX next month, I was exciting thinking I was going to get to try AS on their new LAX-MEX route. When I went to the AS website to price out the selection I saw the flight left at 11:50 P.M. Are they complete and total morons for deciding to do that? Why would I want to fly through the night to get to MEX? I would like to leave at a humane time and get there sometime in the evening. Then I would also have to leave MEX at 6:36 a.m. to get back to LAX at 8 a.m. This is kind of pointless. I am losing a whole day at MEX. For those business travelers, this is not very convenient. So can somebody tell me where the strategy is in this. Thank you.
Searpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6562 times:
This is the first of two flights they'll eventually be flying. This flight is timed to allow connections from their entire system. On 10/31, the second flight will be added that will have a 10:15A departure, giving you a 4PM arrival in MEX, which will cater more exclusively to the O&D market in the LA area.
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ASA_737 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6475 times:
I've never heard of Alaskan Airlines..I know Alaska flies that route..and they are adding a daytime trip soon...Why is UA a "real" airline oppose to Alaska? Do you have to be losing money or be bankrupt before you become "real"?
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 27127 posts, RR: 74
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6473 times:
Quoting Searpqx (Reply 3): On 10/31, the second flight will be added that will have a 10:15A departure, giving you a 4PM arrival in MEX, which will cater more exclusively to the O&D market in the LA area.
Actually, a lot of the O&D market is looking for the red-eye style flights AS is now flying. They are much like other ones of the famous Tecolotes that have been offered for those who want to get a flight after working all day and get to an airport in Mexico early in the morning so they can get a bus to their home village.
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Laxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26497 posts, RR: 50
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6441 times:
Indeed as mentioned by N1120A, night time flights are quite popular between LA and Mexico/Central America.
Without counting all the flights, I would make the assumption there are more after 10pm departures then flights the remainder of the day with the exception of tourist beach destinations which generally have morning departures.
Even Delta whom Alaska assumed the LAX-MEX authority from ran their sole remaining flight as a red-eye departing around midnight.
Even your "real" airline United offers a red-eye to Mexico City, while its services to San Jose, San Salvador and Guatemala are all red-eyes from LAX.
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Quoting Airlinerfreak (Thread starter): This is kind of pointless. I am losing a whole day at MEX. For those business travelers, this is not very convenient. So can somebody tell me where the strategy is in this. Thank you.
Yeah, those heavy load factors averaging 80-90% since that route started last month are killing this route. But think about the business traveler from the other end, going from MEX to LAX. That person can get to LA at 8am and have a whole business day and fly back to MEX at night without spending a night at a hotel.
Given that AS has little spare capacity a redeye flight was the only way in which it could immediately service this market after it won DOT approval back in May. As was already mentioned the second daily roundtrip starts next month so quit your whining.
HikesWithEyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 816 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6353 times:
Airlinefreak, welcome to my "Another Moron Who Wants To Be an Airline CEO List".
The LAX/MEX late night flight seems to be doing quite well, as does the
LAX/GDL flight....very good loads on the GDL flight, and pretty good ones
Flyboy80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1883 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6201 times:
Alaska is def a "real" airline...I love flying AS simply because the class I see out of them...very professional, and nicely dressed F/As, gate agents...etc, they are a very nicely put together operation...Ok I have to say it, I love southwest, but its...a "differen't" airline...EW!
Zrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3296 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6200 times:
Quoting Airlinerfreak (Thread starter): This is kind of pointless. I am losing a whole day at MEX. For those business travelers, this is not very convenient. So can somebody tell me where the strategy is in this.
A few thoughts:
1) Many business travelers LIKE red-eye flights. They get in early in the morning in time for a meeting.
2) Yes, you are losing a whole day in MEX on the return, but you are gaining a whole day on the outbound
3) The AS plane is in and our of MEX very quickly. Their fees are less, no overnight parking, etc. The strategy is to save $$$$. (Benefit to the airline, not the passenger. But still a strategy).
AS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6241 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6192 times:
Bicoastal, if you going to insult and airline, learn the airlines name!
Airlinefreak, we started with a red-eye for reason. Some Arm Chair CEO's forget that lots of research is done into opening a new route. Market demand is there for certain flights and if a red-eye works, they do it. Just cause it doesn't work for some people schedule like yours doesn't mean it doesn't work for others. Like 80-90 percent load factor, the flight time works for them!
MX-about 6 daily flight LAX-MEX including AM...3 of them are red-eye.....1205a/1255a/120a flights
UA-2 daily LAX-MEX..2nd flight at 1159p
So thats 4 of 8 flights not including AS are red-eyes...oh yeah, AS doesn't know what they are doing. No one wants a red-eye (sarcasim)
"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
Flyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6126 times:
The only problem with late arrivals from what I hear is the crime problems in MEX. HP has/had a flight that gets in just after midnight and I heard several passengers say they did not like the arrival time because of the security issues of getting in that late. Maybe an early morning arrival isn't so bad...I dunno.
Airlinerfreak From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5971 times:
I love AS, I just want to make that point. I just don't love the flight times. I have to be in MEX for an evening dinner on October 14th and I have to leave on October 16th in the evening. Too bad they did not add that second flight down to MEX before the end of October. I do have to go down to MEX once again so I will be looking to take AS on that second trip down. I did not know that AS was adding that second service, so I have to give you guys at AS credit!! Very smart, did not think of it this way. Thank you for all the replies as well.
AS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6241 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5916 times:
Airlinerfreak: No worries. You have to remember that with a route that needs to be awarded, we can not plan A/C for the route far out when its up in the air if you know what I mean. If AS knew they were going to get MEX farther out, they could have planned the system accordingly. So what AS did was use a -700 that would have been sitting overnight to do the turn. And on top of that, the red-eye is , as said before, a good time for many MEX travelers. This is also why the 2nd daily flight was delayed. We had to wait for a schedule change when we had the A/C available to start our morning flight.
"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
AS has much better service than UA. On-time is the only real problem here.
Quoting ASA_737 (Reply 5): Do you have to be losing money or be bankrupt before you become "real"?
Actually, AS isn't making any money either last time I checked. They are basically treading water, right on the line between red and black. Small profits or losses notwithstanding, I'm talking in general terms.
Quoting Douglasdc8 (Reply 20): I hate when people try to push THEIR religions on me! Just leave me alone!!!!
Rojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2491 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5803 times:
Quoting Airlinerfreak (Thread starter): Are they complete and total morons for deciding to do that? Why would I want to fly through the night to get to MEX?
As said before, this is the first of two flights AS will have on the route. For us, living in Mexico, that flights is excellent, since we can spend all day in LAX and arrive early in the morning to work. UA just started a flight MEX-LAX-MEX on june 5 with same departure times as Alaksa's flight, just to give passengers morning and evening departures from MEX and morning and night departures from LAX with good times for connections.
This flights are so popular that MX has 3 flights LAX-MEX departing between 11pm and 2pm, UA and AS have one each, so you can see for yourself!
: And people... It's ALASKA AIRLINES, not ALASKAN. RM!
: Who would want to fly AS having the chance of flying MX or AM, far better airlines, full onboard service, complimentary alc, several available schedul
: Sheees? Could you be more ignorant? Not everyone wants to fly AM and MX.
: Sorry to burst your bubble but I do not fly the Sky Team network. Not that I have anything against them, just I have always been in the AA and onewor
: What terminal does Alaska arrive to? I've been told Tom Bradley is the best, since you don't get mixed up with all Asian and South American carriers l
: Yes they have to arrive in TBIT as Terminal 3 does not have its own customs facilty. Also it is far less than $300. I got it for $267.50 and also an u
: Uhhhhh, yeahhhh, hasn't UA been in bankruptcy for the past 3 years????
: The only thing I can think of is that Bicoastal was being sarcastic... no one in their right mind would say something like this and mean it. And ever
: Actually, when I fly Alaska, I do get SkyTeam miles.....on Continental. OnePass. Why would I care about free booze when I don't drink? Alaska works f
: Complimentary a/c? De que estas hablando? un avion dice al otro, "te ves muy bien, hoy?"
: Sorry to burst your bubble (again), but you can earn AA elite-qualifying miles, and you can earn AS miles on AA, CO, DL and NW, too. You can also ear
: What was the point in that comment, I travel with oneworld, and I always will. I have no desire to earn AS miles but AA miles. Also only one of those
: 1) Will they keep these flights as 73Gs or will they eventually upgrade them to 738s or 739s since they are doing so well. 2) Are they doing full cate
: Don't look now, but I just deleted the comment that provoked your flaming. AS timetable shows "Snack" in F, andI really don't know about Y. I'm sure
: MX Is the best option LAX-MEX and the leader on the route... Want tequila??? no need to spend 5 bucks...
: AS serves warm, freshly baked cookies right after departure in Y, then just prior to arrival a warm breakfast pastry. In F, right after departure a sn
: Funny comment, unfortunately you didn't read very well.... it was not a "/" but an italic "l", so the sentence was: Complimentary "alc" (for alcohol)
: OK Airlinerfreak, your off the hook. Your initial post was pretty harsh but glad to see you changed your mind. I would expect to see at least one of
: LACSA, look for LAX-MEX to become a -800 once we are established on the route and enought -800 are online. There are 6 737-800 coming next year in whi
: I thought MX was part of the AA network now. Can you earn AAvantage miles on MX now or has that happened yet? You could always book the AA codeshare f
: Yes you get AAdvantage miles on MX. You have been able to for some time now.
: What I don't understand is why airlines are so interested in this route in particular. From what I know, the market is saturated and while load factor
: Nope, MH never gave up the MEX-LAX route, their 5th freedom rights were taken by the Mexican government thanks to MX and AM recurring complaints. The
: It will last! AS, UA, DL, COEX, etc are offering real low fares to Mexico and viceversa, sometimes because there's no competition on route (specially
: That is nonsense. Once you land and retrieve your bags, you just have to walk to the terminal's taxi base and take a cab that is 100% safe in order t
: As a former WA employee... AS is going to make this work big time... DL blew the pooch when they gave this up..... GO AS!!!!
: You are right about Taipei Eddie, but if I remember correctly it was actually, MEX-KUL via LAX and TPE, since they did not have fifth freedom rights
: No Eddie, it is actually a very correct statement. What he's saying is that people are afraid of getting into MEX in the very late evening flights be
: I believe that I read that there are 10 coming next year.
: ASFlyer: you are correct. 10 frames in 2006. I can't recall where I came up with 6. Maybe if Boeing stays on strike, thats what we will end up with AS
: AM? I thought you didn't fly SkyTeam... MX stopped being part of Star Alliance a while ago.. Please do show consistency in your comments. If you thin
: I don't understand how people in this forum are calling UA a "real" airlines and not AS. Sounds to me like someone is jealous of AS. AS has managed to
: Rage, we actually fly a 73G. And the main reason we started with a red-eye is its the only time we has plane available. But yes, as you said, loads ar
: AM and MX better airlines, jejeje, good one. I would fly AS anytime and get full Q points in Advantage. I just don´t know how you can tell an airlin
: Ohh, I forgot. Who wants Frecuenta or Aeromexico miles when they charge you $90 USD for processing an award ticket. AM and MX think they can full me,
: Brilliant!! Your statement could not have been written better. A marvel of prose. Plus, you are totally right.
: DL or any SkyTeam member charges US$75, plus security surcharge for processing a ticket less than 15 days before departure date. US$50 for Medallion
: My opinion, a flight that leaves 90% full all the time, should not be called a "waste", no matter the shedule.
: Yea sure, then call frecuenta and ask yourself. I think someone didn´t do the homework and just came to try to save Mexicana´s name. But call, I ju
: No worries, you understood what i meant and that is the only thing that makes me happy. Excuse me miss English, I wasn´t born in an english speaking
: Rojo, EddieDude.... You want to talk to me about MAS adventure in Mexico ?... Well, I think I can discuss some issues already. 7 years have passed aft
: I tend to agree with the forum member you call "this guy" (we have Usernames), since the whole concept of a frequent flyer program is to reward you f
: = This makes no sense to me ... most Asian and South American carriers use Tom Bradley so you have to get mixed up. Can someone else make sure I am r
: Rojo, CessnaLady, Skyone: I just redeemed a "boleto beneficio" to travel MEX-BOG-MEX about six weeks ago; MX did not charge me but the following (I ha
: You were lucky... you got your “boleto beneficio” just before they started charging the ridiculous US$90 fee. Most of the agents working in Mexic
: I think you hit the nail when you used the word "perception" as it seems to me that, even though high crime rates and the uselessness of our police f
: There is no denying that Mexico City is a breathtaking experience, which is why I gladly accepted to return via MEX. I don't know what it is about th
: MH was very popular among Mexicans living in California because they are the most flexible in terms of time (MH only had 2 flights per week) and they
: Rojo: As always, very honorable man, you are correct, but it is very well known that the Asian airlines sell the mayority of the their seats to their
: Believe me, driving to TIJ is not an option, since most Mexicans are treated bad in the border and they will have to face customs twice: once crossin
: That is absolutely right. Nevertheless, this reasoning should not apply to YVR since, if I recall correctly, the Mexico-Canada bilateral provides tha
: And I'm sick of people trying to push their non-religion on me. Alaska is a private company, they can do what they please. AAndrew
: MX should make their numbers before they venture to Asia. They could risk lots of money.[Edited 2005-09-10 17:05:40]
: Stay at ease Skyone, no Mexican carrier will be seen across the Pacific for many years to come. Way too expensive to venture yourself in an ocean pac
: Ladies & Gentlemen: Please try to stay on topic. This a great one especially since there was so much competition and carriers vying to get this covete
: I'm not so sure about this! There's big pressure from several Asian governements at the moment holding conversations with an airline! Ricardo APM
: Its funny, when AS opens a route with an overnight flight, people complain and claim that the flight times are not well thought out and are user unfri
: Good for AS they rock......Im not saying other don't but really come on?...Its Alaska Airlines..they already run big loads to the Tourist destinations
: Dutchjet.....fantastic point my friend! ASSFO
: Excellent coment Duchjet. Whatever Jetblue or Southwest do, its always the right thing. They are the darlings of the media. I'll take AS anytime.
: Can you please elaborate on this? Are you referring to business class?
: Eddie, I think he means the Digi players used on long flights at cost and free in first. http://alaskasworld.com/news/2002/09/30_entertainmentoptions.
: I did not know AS had this feature. I think it is a great idea. Thanks for the link AS739X.
: Thanks man for putting the link on here for our friends. They'll so apreicate it over the drop down screens . I really enjoy reading your posts AS739
: Eddie, no problem. EA CO AS may have more info, but I think we will see more digi coming soon. Specially if/when the company can get the balance sheet
: You are talking about the people who with their hands are the underpinning force that powers the economy of the world's seventh most prosperous econo
: MX offers the exact same IFE... free in first and they have a few additional for economy which they charge for. ghost77
: Recently the anchor of the CNN En Español news show about Mexico interviewed an officer from our election agency and she explained that Mexicans liv
: Latinplane, Talking about paisanos, they are indeed flexible in terms of times when compared to business people. I did social service work for the SR
: I forgot to give you some insights about the law you are talking about. First of all, it is not a new law. When Mexico changed the constitution to al
: How about our wildest dreams come true..... Speaking of IFE, for some US routes (like JFK) they only send IFE equiped aircraft (some A319´s or the A
: Frankly, If i had the choice, I would be flying AS on the route. Anyone who has been to Alaska will understand the atmosphere that AS puts across. If
: Yes, this is true. I had similar experiences when living abroad. It was such a pain coming back to Mexico that sometimesI just stayed in the US for h
: EddieDude Yes Eddie. I did see the report and like you I thought it sounded a bit odd. It is too early to tell and I don't want to be quick to start j
: Latinplane...Don't look for AS to reopen La Paz. That was a complete failure with everyone really wanting to go to SJD. We already open Loreto so we a
: I personally heard from a senior V.P., VERY recently, that we were looking at La Paz once again. Either the town or a developer is offering a huge su
: ASFlyer, maybe if we are getting paid, cause those loads were crap! ASSFO
: I flew it a few times and the loads weren't bad, but they weren't filling the planes up on a regular basis and they only flew there 2 or 3 times a we
: Yeah, I wonder if we did it daily with a -700 and maybe pushed it a litte more if it would have worked better. To me is seemed like no one knew we fle
: ASFlyer, could you kindly elaborate on the kind of deal AS got in order to start flying to LTO, and how the operation has been developing ? Regards
: Alaska flies to Loreto under and arrangement with Loreto Bay Villages. They guarantee a number of seats on each departure. Alaska sells the remaining
106 EA CO AS
: I still think we need to at least double up our CUN service, though.
: Has AS thought about bringing back SJC-GDL or ONT-GDL? I think they both would do very well and both airports are underserved in general? Will AS be f
: I don't think we've loaded the winter schedule yet, so I don't know if SJC-SJD/PVR are coming back or not. I don't have the first clue if they are loo
: AM serves ONT-GDL, I believe on a daily basis with an M87 and ONT-SJD with an M80. I don't know how they do. Azteca (sorry that I don't know their co
: San Jose-Mexico service is not coming back. AS pulled it half way through the winter last year, even before the schedule change. AS service to Mexico
: At the rate the Boeing strike is going right now, AS would be lucky to get 6 737-800's next year. Expect the Boeing strike to last through X-mas like