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AA Dropping 25 Of Its 56 Gates At Lambert  
User currently offlineStl1326 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 496 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 9203 times:

An interesting article in the St. Louis Business Journal, reporting that AA will vacate the B concourse and concentrate all of its operations in the C concourse. It also points out that other airlines in the A concourse have stated that they don't want to move to other gates at Lambert. This is disappointing because I would have thought with all the congestion in the A that maybe a carrier would move to the D, especially, Northwest to add larger aircraft. The only hope to fill the vacant gates, is from other carriers that don't serve Lambert like AirTran and JetBlue. I hope they will announce service soon. Also, has anyone heard anything else on the rumor about Mexicana? Lambert's website still isn't updated, but I expect it to be this week. Here is a link to the article:

http://stlouis.bizjournals.com/stlouis/stories/2005/09/05/story5.html

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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 9069 times:

Holy shit!!! Questions to raise up..


1.Where will the Prop planes go in C? Since it seems every gate there is filled with RJ or Mainline, minues the intl gates, but they are not used. How will the prop flights be loaded and unloaded, through a jetway?

2. Doesn't seem like airlines are interested in moving to D just yet.

3. With the cost of the lease going UP, Southwest will NOT be happy, is a pull out possible now?

Alex



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User currently offlineStl1326 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 496 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 9012 times:

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 1):
1.Where will the Prop planes go in C? Since it seems every gate there is filled with RJ or Mainline, minues the intl gates, but they are not used. How will the prop flights be loaded and unloaded, through a jetway?

Thats a good question. I would guess since they are moving all operations including the probs to the C that they will load and unload the pax's through a jetway. Why not use the gates that aren't used for the RJ's and mainline for something like that. They don't use all of the gates on the C only 20 for mainline/RJ and I think there is something like 30 gates on the C.


User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3580 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 9002 times:

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 1):
3. With the cost of the lease going UP, Southwest will NOT be happy, is a pull out possible now?

WN makes good money off of the STL routes, and WN's operation at Lambert is pretty good sized.

NO.



PHX based
User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8993 times:

Wasn't this the grand plan for AA at STL? I think they made it pretty clear and public they were reducing the amount of gates they were required to have since their TW takeover. Can anyone confirm?

Regards.

edit for spelling.

[Edited 2005-09-05 08:02:11]

User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9304 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8980 times:

Quoting Stl1326 (Thread starter):
An interesting article in the St. Louis Business Journal, reporting that AA will vacate the B concourse and concentrate all of its operations in the C concourse.

My first prediction has come true.

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 1):
2. Doesn't seem like airlines are interested in moving to D just yet.

The airlines just aren't interested, period.

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 1):
1.Where will the Prop planes go in C?

My guess is the higher end odd numbered C gates.



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User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 36
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8961 times:

This was expected as AA obviously doesn't even use the D concourse. In fact, its a welcome sign that they are keeping all of concourse C. Since AA is getting those gate leases off it back, who knows...maybe we'll see the electronic gate displays?

Arpey inferred in a article in the Stl-PD a couple months ago that a re-negotiation of gates may mean extra flights......I don't really see how it would mean extra flights, but I could see terminal improvements.

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 1):
1.Where will the Prop planes go in C? Since it seems every gate there is filled with RJ or Mainline, minues the intl gates, but they are not used. How will the prop flights be loaded and unloaded, through a jetway?

That is a pretty good question, I guess we'll have to wait and see. We may see the international gates used again since someone is going to have to go somewhere with the props now using concourse C. I'm sure this is contingent on cleaning up the end of concourse C, because as of right now it is not an attractive option.

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 1):
2. Doesn't seem like airlines are interested in moving to D just yet.

No point, really. If NW doesn't want to bring in the A319/320, then its irrelevant. AmericaWest has what I call the bastard gate, one which was thrown together in a world of haste. They are the only carrier besides NW that I could see moving, but with the merger many things are still unclear.

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 1):
3. With the cost of the lease going UP, Southwest will NOT be happy, is a pull out possible now?

Pullout? Most definitely not. BLV is not a feasible alternative, and as of last spring they were seemingly doing much better out of St. Louis. We've had a net gain of 5 flights in the past 2 years. Not stunning growth, but its better than getting flights cut like the years preceeding. WN isn't happy, I am most certainly not denying this. Maybe they'll slash a few weird flights here and there (i.e. BHM/ABQ), but AA would more than likely pick those up in some regional form.


User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9304 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8954 times:

Quoting 777STL (Reply 3):
WN makes good money off of the STL routes, and WN's operation at Lambert is pretty good sized.

NO.

It's about 64 flights right now. If the costs keep going up, expect the numbers to keep on dropping.



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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8937 times:

Quoting STLGph (Reply 7):
It's about 64 flights right now. If the costs keep going up, expect the numbers to keep on dropping

63, STL is a good operation for Southwest. Southwest WANTS to be succesful at STL, they will do what they can to be succesfull. We will see how much it affects them.

Quoting LambertMan (Reply 6):
They are the only carrier besides NW that I could see moving, but with the merger many things are still unclear.

You bring up a good point. With US Airways and America West merging, we may be seeing min 5 daily flights, PHX, PHL, PIT, CLT and LAS? Certainly needs more then one gate, could a move to D help make this easier??

Quoting LambertMan (Reply 6):
WN isn't happy, I am most certainly not denying this. Maybe they'll slash a few weird flights here and there (i.e. BHM/ABQ), but AA would more than likely pick those up in some regional form.

I could see Southwest doing that, but I would be surprised. I never saw the justification of that one daily STL-BHM Flight. It continues on to MCO right?

Quoting LambertMan (Reply 6):
Arpey inferred in a article in the Stl-PD a couple months ago that a re-negotiation of gates may mean extra flights......I don't really see how it would mean extra flights, but I could see terminal improvements.

We DEEPLY need the improvements. Extra flight? Exactly HOW? It seems tight enough now, just wait till the props are moved, and holy crap, C just might look like what it did pre-TWA days.

Quoting Aa777jr (Reply 4):
Wasn't this the grand plan for AA at STL? I think they made it pretty clear and public they were reducing the amount of gates they were required to have since their TW takeover. Can anyone confirm?

I believe they did in fact say something. Good point.

Alex



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User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9304 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8893 times:

Quoting LambertMan (Reply 6):
BLV is not a feasible alternative

Think again. All it takes is one carrier to make the trek across the river and there's going to be a mass exodous. PFC's at $3 per passenger to keep ticket prices down and landing fees at $.90 on the 1,000.

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 8):
Southwest WANTS to be succesful at STL,

No they don't. They want to be more successful in Chicago.

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 8):
I believe they did in fact say something. Good point.

This was never Don Carty's grand plan, mind you.



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User currently offlineBHMNONREV From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1368 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8500 times:

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 8):
I never saw the justification of that one daily STL-BHM Flight. It continues on to MCO right?

There is not enough O&D demand to warrant the flight between STL-BHM, but the flight is in place more for the benefit of BHM travelers than for STL pax. Actually, it is a very smart move from WN, taking a normal STL-MCO flight, and dropping a stop in BHM in both directions, picking up enough passengers to keep the flights running full. I have flown the BHM-STL and back several times, and it is obvious most of the O&D is between STL-MCO.

Quoting Stl1326 (Thread starter):
reporting that AA will vacate the B concourse and concentrate all of its operations in the C concourse.

No real surprise there, in fact I'm shocked it took them this long. From an operational efficiency and financial standpoint, this move is a no-brainer. A renovated "B" would be a very attractive option for an HP/US/Star Alliance operation, which will be about 35-40 flights per day, adding just a little more fuel to the Lufthansa rumor. I will know I have died and gone to heaven when I see an LH A330 parked at the end of Concourse B....:D


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined exactly 10 years ago today! , 7533 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8441 times:

Quoting LambertMan (Reply 6):
No point, really. If NW doesn't want to bring in the A319/320, then its irrelevant. AmericaWest has what I call the bastard gate, one which was thrown together in a world of haste. They are the only carrier besides NW that I could see moving, but with the merger many things are still unclear

NW does want to bring the Bus series into STL, so I know NW would be interested in moving, especially since where they are at they cant get a 319/320 into the area.



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User currently offlinePilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3149 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8441 times:

WN isn't going to pay more to stay here. They've proven time and again that plenty of airports are willing to give them what they want at the price they want. NW, and all the others in A aren't going to pay more to be here either. This airport won't realize that charging more for less isn't they way to attract new customers.

BLV will never be a viable alternative for any airline with more than 10 flights per day. They don't have the gates and they don't have the infastructure such as in-ground refueling at the gates for large carriers to add a huge number of flights. It's found it's niche only because St. Clair county is giving that place away. They are charging those carriers no fees and also picking up much of the tab for the ground handling.

Third, landing fees are nowhere near $.90 per 1000 lbs. As of 7/1/05 the rates here are .00556 cents per 1000 pounds above 65,000 mlw. They have gone up significantly since 2003 but the increases happen about every 3-4 months. All of the 121 carriers except FX on the field have contracted rates that I would assume are below this otherwise it wouldn't be in their best intrest to make the contractual agreements.



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User currently offlineStl1326 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 496 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8436 times:

Didn't they take all of the jetways out of the B Concourse? I was surprised by the move out of the B concourse, but in a financial standpoint its a good move. I just can't wait to see how they are going to load and unload pax's from the props on the C.

User currently offlineStl1326 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 496 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8419 times:

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 11):
NW does want to bring the Bus series into STL, so I know NW would be interested in moving, especially since where they are at they cant get a 319/320 into the area.

What I was thinking that they could move somewhere else on the A concourse or add another gate that can accommodate the larger aircraft.


User currently offlineBHMNONREV From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1368 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8347 times:

Quoting Stl1326 (Reply 13):
Didn't they take all of the jetways out of the B Concourse?

There may be one or two left standing, but I believe they are on the east side of "B". Even with the new tower taking up a significant amount of space at the western base of "B", this concourse could easily reaccomodate 6-7 jetways..


User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4037 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8312 times:

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 8):
we may be seeing min 5 daily flights, PHX, PHL, PIT, CLT and LAS? Certainly needs more then one gate

I wouldn't say so, at PDX there are nine flights to PHX and LAS and seven of them go out of one gate. One other gate - D4 - is used only for two RJs in the early morning RON rush, for the rest of the day D3 is used for all outgoing flights. So they could easily use only one gate for all this. They'd need to be close enough together to justify keeping all employees in-house though. No more than an hour in between departure and arrival. But I'd really like to see more of a presence there by the new US. STL would make a great stopover link between the eastern and western hubs, a good RON spot. Flight comes in from CLT, overnights and continues in the morning to PHX. Beautiful.

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 8):
Southwest WANTS to be succesful at STL

I was under the impression they'd like to be successful everywhere? haha

Quoting Pilotpip (Reply 12):
BLV will never be a viable alternative for any airline with more than 10 flights per day

So, even though it breaks the mold, the new US could feasibly move in, although that would take away the possibility of them using the newly-open space at STL for the much-talked-about mythical midwest focus city they so badly need.


User currently offlineFlewGSW From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 148 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8243 times:

AA at STL has been testing a rolling gate strategy that might be expanded to DFW and ORD soon.

The idea is to utilize gates C2, C6, C10, C14, C18, C22 at the same time leaving the other gates empty.
Then for the next complex use C4, C8, C12, C16, C20, C24.
If a flight is running late from the previous complex you don't affect inbound flights awaiting a gate.

It might also mean that you only need one ground crew to service 2 gates.

I understand that having one ground crew per two gates is how WN does most of their airports.

Also, look for AA in STL to soon post flights to depart and arrive on the 5 minutes (again I think this is what WN does system wide). If it works at STL then you might see this expand to the entire AA (and maybe Eagle too) network.


User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 36
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8135 times:

Quoting FlewGSW (Reply 17):
AA at STL has been testing a rolling gate strategy that might be expanded to DFW and ORD soon.

The idea is to utilize gates C2, C6, C10, C14, C18, C22 at the same time leaving the other gates empty.
Then for the next complex use C4, C8, C12, C16, C20, C24.
If a flight is running late from the previous complex you don't affect inbound flights awaiting a gate.

Interesting.....they sometimes use gate C28 as well at peak periods. And of course, we always have the phantom plane(s) that dock at the high, odd numbered C gates. Wink


User currently offlineUltrapig From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 581 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8070 times:

Good points-

But "Colonel Bogey" Leonord Griggs who ran Lambert into the ground for years and could not keep the place clean or the roofs from leading has now retired but is working for BLV-Let's see what good he does in screwing his former employer


User currently offlineBHMNONREV From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1368 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8023 times:

Quoting LambertMan (Reply 18):
Interesting.....they sometimes use gate C28 as well at peak periods.

So I take it that the International capable gates (C30,32,34,36) are not being used at this point? Sounds like the entire eastern end of the "C" is empty. As STLGph stated earlier, the "high odd number" sounds like where they are headed, keeps 'em out of sight and I'm sure there is more ramp space available than on the even side, closer to the taxiways...


User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days ago) and read 7787 times:

Quoting BHMNONREV (Reply 20):
So I take it that the International capable gates (C30,32,34,36) are not being used at this point? Sounds like the entire eastern end of the "C" is empty. As STLGph stated earlier, the "high odd number" sounds like where they are headed, keeps 'em out of sight and I'm sure there is more ramp space available than on the even side, closer to the taxiways...

The gates you mentioned are NOT being used for boarding or deplaning, simply for RON , and others as LambertMan said.

Quoting BHMNONREV (Reply 15):
There may be one or two left standing, but I believe they are on the east side of "B". Even with the new tower taking up a significant amount of space at the western base of "B", this concourse could easily reaccomodate 6-7 jetways..

There are NO jetways at B Concourse. I fly into and out of there quite a bit, and have been to every single gate, and no jetways, we all board by doors, where we take stairs into the tarmac, and then we board the props by the stairs from the plane.

What I am guessing, is if they utilize the intl gates, for the prop boarding, they may use 5 flights per jetway. Board thru the jetway, then their are stairs from the jetway to the ground, and we walk onto the tarmac onto the planes. Sounds easy enough.
Alex



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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11466 posts, RR: 61
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days ago) and read 7743 times:

Quoting BHMNONREV (Reply 20):
So I take it that the International capable gates (C30,32,34,36) are not being used at this point? Sounds like the entire eastern end of the "C" is empty.

When I was at STL a few months back, all of the gates on Terminal C above approximately C24/C25 were completely empty and abandoned. It looked like a construction site -- supplies and equipment in the boarding areas, seats removed and stacked from the floor. The remainder of C was pretty busy, albeit mostly with RJs. I think (not sure) that AA is pretty much keeping all mainline flying at C1-C12, with C15-C23 used for the RJs.


User currently offlineBHMNONREV From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1368 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days ago) and read 7657 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 22):
I think (not sure) that AA is pretty much keeping all mainline flying at C1-C12, with C15-C23 used for the RJs.

I thought all mainline was on the even gates (north side) while the RJ's were on the odds (south).

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 21):
There are NO jetways at B Concourse.

It's been about three or four years since I passed thru "B", I parked at the closest gate to the terminal and it was equipped with a jetway. Didn't know if they were still there or not. It has been ages since there has been any major mainline jet operations on Concourse B, would be nice to see that place come alive again. Back in the 70's American operated from this concourse, highlighted by the daily DC-10 to Mexico..


User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 36
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7354 times:

Quoting BHMNONREV (Reply 23):
I thought all mainline was on the even gates (north side) while the RJ's were on the odds (south).

That is correct, for the most part. A couple gates at the very end of the south side of C are used for mainline, but the vast majority of mainline uses the north end. The 2nd MD80 BOS flight comes in at C38, as me and my parents (DUB-BOS-STL) have used it a few times.

Quoting Commavia (Reply 22):
When I was at STL a few months back, all of the gates on Terminal C above approximately C24/C25 were completely empty and abandoned.

For AA to begin using the former international gates for something more than RON, something must be done. Alex has some pictures of the current state of the gates and they just aren't an option, as of right now anyway. Over the past couple of years new carpet, signage, etc. has been installed in concourse C, none of which has been applied to the high numbered gates.


25 BHMNONREV : Are you speaking of inside the terminal, or rampside? Has AA really let that area go that badly since the 11/03 downsizing? I'm trying to picture "C"
26 Post contains links and images Atrude777 : I will find them, let me load them up. Yep, it is a disgrace. I found the pictures, these are recent as of July 8th, 2005. As you can see AA has comp
27 777STL : That's sad, the end of C used to be one of the nicest parts of the airport.
28 Tockeyhockey : what's really sad is that no one has figured out how to turn lambert into a super-important mid-west hub. it's got such a great location. who would h
29 Post contains images BHMNONREV : Appalling is the only word I can come up with, thanks for uploading the pics Alex. Are you going to take any more when you fly on the 17th? I would li
30 Post contains images Atrude777 : Yes, my flight leaves from STL on Southwest Airlines at 1:00pm so i will get there about 10:00am and give myself some times to tour C, and grab some
31 Stl1326 : I was in the C concourse when I was going to Chicago in Aug. and the concourse looks very nice and was very busy. I should have taken some pictures.
32 Stlgph : watch them. and it's found its niche because the carriers can charge significantly less to get the kids to Disney and the parents to Vegas. it's term
33 Vega : Seems like a good opportunity for USAirways (after the merger) to refine it's network and move into STL as their mid-point hub and leave PIT out of t
34 Midway7 : The B Concourse did have (3) jetways at B2, B4, and B6. These were there up to the TWA / AA merger. I believe TWA used these for early arriving RON's
35 Lowecur : Don't think for one second that Gary Kelly won't build a terminal at BLV. If he is willing to spend a hundred million at Boeing Field, he'll threaten
36 Tornado82 : The same way CLE benefits CO despite being "down the road" from EWR in terms of air traffic. PIT would be used for Midwest/Great Lakes connections (a
37 STLGph : exactly. but the price would be significantly lower since facilities already exist. it's just a matter of adding gates/floor space.
38 BHMNONREV : No offense taken sir. We Lambert Field aficionados are aware we have a crappy facility, especially the concourses off the main terminal. East Termina
39 HPRamper : I heard the new runway layout won't be very good either...as it will extend straight away from the terminal making for a very long taxi time in some i
40 STLGph : close. put a good half mile to mile between the terminal and the start of the runway. I think we should build that new terminal I proposed ;p
41 IslipWN : Why aren't any airlines interested in terminal D? Also, might we sometime in the future see a STL-ZRH route?
42 STLGph : cost to renovate facilities. then you battle AA ground traffic. no
43 Vega : Please do me a favor and don't reply to my posts. Your replies to any posting with PHL in them are like listening to a broken record.
44 SonOfACaptain : Concerning US, PIT, and STL: US needs a Midwest presence to help with their new coast operations. That is one reason why the PSA marriage didn't work.
45 STLGph : As long as AA has a large presence here and Southwest maintains the size it is up to as of now, trying to just dive on in here and make a splash....w
46 Tornado82 : US moving into STL would be the one time where WN/AA agree on something... they'll both move quick and hard to squash the new intruder, and it'll be
47 FA4B6 : Maybe when B6 gets the 190s, by next year you'll see STL-JFK, STL-BOS, and maybe a Florida route and/or a California route. B6 needs something in betw
48 Atrude777 : Dl and AA have 5 flights between STL-JFK all with RJ's. If B6 comes in with the 190, They may be succesful, it seems B6 WANTS to come to STL but the
49 Post contains links HPRamper : Am I to understand the new runway will be built to the northwest of the existing runway/terminal - if so, what is the logic in that? What of the old
50 Jmy007 : Correct me if I am wrong. At the end of C concourse, they have taken away most of the international gates. (Meaning, the glass corridor from the gates
51 LambertMan : TW converted the order to A318's after they backed off of the A330's. Planned international routes told straight to me from the former head hancho hi
52 777STL : It's not needed, the planning and development on this new runway began in the late 80s/early 90s. By the time AA bought out TWA and then in 2003 with
53 Atrude777 : My Airbus book said TWA ordered the A318 first, for 100 options, and then I heard about the A330. which came first? I don't think thats true. It may
54 BHMNONREV : Actually Alex, I think he is correct. If you look at your 2nd pic, the glass partitions have been removed at C34 and C36. But if you look at picture
55 Post contains links STLGph : St. Louis is one of the highest cost operation airports in the U.S. Landing fees are at $4.07 per 1,000 pounds Cost to board a passenger are nearly $
56 BigGSFO : There was also a rumored STL-MAD flight too...
57 Post contains links and images Atrude777 : How depressing... I am starting to not want to hear the could have beens routes. cause it wont ever exist now. Interesting, good observation. I will
58 HPRamper : It looks like construction is moving really quickly...their website says it is expected that the runway will be finished in 2006 - does anyone have a
59 Atrude777 : Yes, it is moving quite at an alarming speed due to nice weather and not much snow weather. June of 2006 is when I heard it should be finished, but i
60 Stl1326 : I thought I heard that it would be in operation in April 2006, but I maybe wrong. Can someone confirm that? Also, what is the most expensive airport
61 Post contains links Stl1326 : The "What's New Column" has been updated. Total passenger levels for the month of July were up almost 13% and connecting traffic was up 14.6%. Also, t
62 Tornado82 : I'm saying this totally in ignorance to the facility layout at STL... but if the new runway is too far from the terminal for commercial aviation... ho
63 Post contains links BHMNONREV : If Lambert had any significant amount of GA traffic it may, but the point of the runway being built in the first place was to allow simultaneous comm
64 Post contains links and images Atrude777 : This is where CNBC is, straight across diagonal from gates 8,10 and 12. on the C concourse. The area between C-8 and C-6 is where wolfgang puck is lo
65 BHMNONREV : Yes sir, thank you!! I take it the 2nd photo is replacing all the ones that were at the beginning of "D". What about Cheers? Is it still there??
66 STLGph : no, it's not replacing them, it's just advertising for the food service venues down there. including the world's slowest cinnabon. cheers is gone.
67 Okie : I was just at STL on 09.02.05 and we sat in the alleyway between C & D for 40 minutes waiting on a gate. We finally taxied over to "B" and parked with
68 Stl1326 : I'm guessing you were on AA Connection. They really need to add more gates for the regional jets because they are always in use. They have only 10 ga
69 Post contains images MrSTL : Ok, I have to get my two cents in on the available gates at Lambert. This is my first post, I am AA PLAT and am somewhat neutral on the Airline-- TWA
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