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BRU, Not Interesting For AF-KL  
User currently offlineKLMCedric From Belgium, joined Dec 2003, 812 posts, RR: 22
Posted (9 years 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2529 times:

I always thought that it maybe interesting for AF-KL to start operations
from BRU.
Why because BRU airport is still very far from full capacity.
It's right in the middle of CDG and AMS and they could have almost total
market share in this whole area.
It not only concerns Belgians, but also a large population of Dutch and French
people who live closer to BRU then AMS and CDG, and maybe even Germans who live closer to BRU than FRA. They might find it more convenient to use
BRU.
Possibly high yield with all the European institutions and and NATO HQ.
Apart from some North-American cities, virtually no longhaul destinations from
this airport, so there should be some markets to open up.
I'm am absolutely no expert in this, that's why I would like to hear your
opinions about this.
I am probably overlooking lots of reasons why this wouldn't be a success.
Regards

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User currently offlineTolosy From Luxembourg, joined Oct 2003, 357 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2493 times:

Hi Cedric,


I agree with you.

But thanks to the Thalys, Brussels is only 1h15 from CDG... Also due to the high load from CDG or AMS, you can get cheaper price from these two airports.

At Brussel Midi (Zuid), I am always surprised by the importance of the Air France Lounge, seems like all the station revolves around it.

Air France has definitely a step (not at BRU) but right in the heart of Brussels. For any flight for CDG with a thalys ticket, you travel in first class between Brussel and CDG. A nice incentive... I always travel this way from BRU.

Nico


User currently offlineKLMCedric From Belgium, joined Dec 2003, 812 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2462 times:

I agree with that Tolosy,
But what I mean is the start-up of some longhaul operations from BRU.
The thalys line could only contribute to this in a good way.
I know that AMS and CDG are not slot restricted and still have lots of
expanding possibilities, but ad BRU to that, and divide all flights over the
3 airports(offcourse BRU to a lesser extend), and AF-KL profitable growth
plans are secured for decades to come, plus the fact that they would enjoy
huge flexibility to deploy flights over three airports all within an area of 500km,
and that's also where the thalys trains would come in very handy.


User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2419 times:

Maybe a feeling of "superiority" over the "little belgians" from both- some dutch and many french -plays a role in this.
Belgium has always been considered as the "inferior" neighbour from both ,french and dutch- and Brussels never really considered as viable platform for Intercontinental operations ( exept Africa ).
BRU has a great infrastructure,very qualified staff and most belgians have a very openminded,unrestricted attitude towards foreigners.
BRU can become a genuine hub-airport for any major alliance- but the absence of a SN-Brussels airline statement regarding joining any of the three clubs will continue to handicap Brussels airport developement.
Truth is that the Netherlands are a bigger market than Belgium- but the number of passengers handled in AMS is over-proportinal compared to the potential of BRU as HUB.
BRU would win immediately 20% more traffic once SN makes a statement linking itself to Oneworld ,Star or AFKLM (the latter being the lesser possible partner...)



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User currently offlineKingsford From Belgium, joined Nov 2003, 427 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2412 times:

The Belgian market is contributing to what makes AMS and CDG hubs. Using BRU as a starting point for long haul destinations would somehow lose part of the purpose of being a hub. No ?

My preferred hubs are FRA and MUC. I find them more reliable 'hubs', this I say by experience.

Long-haul routes are coming to BRU with Etihad and Jet Airways, see if it lasts.

If BRU was used to it's full capacity, the noise burden and the political discussion surrounding it would worsen and som' bad would happen.

 twocents 


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6923 posts, RR: 63
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2408 times:

Isn't BRU - no doubt via a link-up with SN Brussels - and obvious hole waiting to be filled by British Airways and Oneworld..?

User currently offlineLexer From Italy, joined Sep 2005, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2376 times:

I dont think this would happen.

For AF-KL, operating two hubs was already quoted recently as a cost disadvantage (heard that on some BBC financial report following the recent release of financial results) so I imagine a third hub is not likely to be a financially sound option.

Secondly, I dont think that neither Air France, nor KLM would be interested in hollowing out and weakening their current hubs at CDG and AMS, never mind the opposition from the respective governments (however limited their influence may be).

L.


User currently offlineBrightCedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1289 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2375 times:

Quoting Tolosy (Reply 1):
For any flight for CDG with a thalys ticket, you travel in first class between Brussel and CDG. A nice incentive... I always travel this way from BRU

Tolosy, I thought same as you until a couple years ago. Having experienced the Thalys by Air France was very nice. But now with a wife and little child and the burden of associated luggage and equipment, I can tell you that I think very differently from this option. On a business trip alone with hand luggage only I still love the combination, but on a family trip give me a connection thru anywhere on almost any airline rather than this option.

You can tell me that cattle class people don't matter, but they are still the mass that make the total above the break-even point on most flights.



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