Reggaebird From Jamaica, joined Nov 1999, 1174 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 9600 times:
I will believe it when I see the announcement of a signed order! I wouldn't put it past certain elements to put out this kind of news only to have the reverse happen to the embarassment of the other aircraft manufacturer.
PanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4055 posts, RR: 91 Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9543 times:
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Quoting Reggaebird (Reply 1): I will believe it when I see the announcement of a signed order!
I would tend to agree with your statement. However, as quoted in the article it does appear that the order has gone to Boeing.
In an earlier interview, Airbus Senior Vice President Christopher Buckley argued that taking a decision on Wednesday would not allow enough time to complete an audit of the tender, which has been ordered to ensure transparency.
"I can't believe in a million years that the auditor is going to be ready by tomorrow with their comments and their own judgments. I would be astonished," Buckley told Reuters
They may well get the order but that does not appear to be a statement from someone who has just won the RFP
Ramerinianair From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1486 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9391 times:
Around how many orders is LOT in the market for? The article says it is an order for $500 Million +.
I don't know how much each 787 will be but that won't get them more than 6 even if Boeing offers a really SWEET deal. The list at Boeing.com is 125-135 Million USD.
GARPD From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2469 posts, RR: 4 Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8859 times:
Well as I said in a previous thread:
The 787 analysis shows it to have the best ROI percentage and fits LOT's current and future mission plans perfectly.
Whereas the A350 analysis shows it to be too big, too thirsty and actualy have no ROI over the same period as the 787.
What that period is, I was not told.
EDIT: should add that although this is what the analysis' have shown. The final decision rests with the board, whose arms are being twisted tightly by politics to select the A350.
(Politics influencing a fleet decision... nothing changes does it.. lol)
Are these served nonstop only from Warsawa? Or is Krakow as well used as an intercontinental gateway?
This summer timetable they are doing:
10/7 WAW-ORD, 5/7 KRK-ORD,
8/7 WAW-JFK, 2/7 KRK-JFK,
5/7 WAW-EWR, 1/7 KRK-EWR,
and 7/7 WAW-YYZ
which gives a total of 38 weekly roundflights to USA/Canada.
Quite impressive if you realize it is being done with six 763/762 aircraft. However, such strong aircraft utilization results in frequent delays if any 767 goes mechanical. The usual flight time is about 10h westbound and 9-9.5h eastbound plus about 2h on the ground on each end - no much slack time if anything goes wrong. The KRK flights are usually served in the "W" mode, e.g. WAW-ORD-KRK-ORD-WAW avoiding WAW-KRK aircraft transfers. Krakow is in fact a regional airport (although developing rapidly). The US flights out of Krakow are mostly point-to-point ethnic immigration traffic (family visits and such).
The winter schedules are much more relaxed, KRK-ORD goes to 2/7 and KRK-JFK/EWR doesn't operate at all. This is why LOT was planning to start BKK, China or India flights which would have more traffic in winter to further optimize the fleet utilization.
The story of LOT 787 vs. 330/350 decision has been there for quite a long time. I hope they make that decision before NW chooses a DC9 replacement.
WINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 69 Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8499 times:
Quoting BoeingBus (Reply 12):
I wonder what TP will go for??? Again, if no politics are involved the 787 should win this. 787 is a better fit for the A310 replacement.
That's true BoeingBus, the B787 is a perfect replacement for the A310-300, although Tap has spoken that they wish to replace both the A310-300 and A340-300 with one type of airplane. For this reason I believe that the B787 will prove too small for the replacement of the A340-300. Unless they were also to opt for the B777.
GARPD From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2469 posts, RR: 4 Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8377 times:
TAP may well need to split their order.
The A350 looks to be a fine a343 replacer, but it is too heavy and will not have the wing for shorter A310 flights. Assuming of course TAP use them for short/medium high capacity routes like Lufthansa does theirs. This is prime 787-3 territory and a segment totaly ignored by the A350.
If however TAP utilises their A310s mainly on longer routes, the A350 may still be better.
To sum up, if TAP use their A310s on short/medium routes, the A350 is not economically viable. This leaves the door open to the 787 and consquently allows the 777 to have a stronger pitch as an A343 replacement.
If TAP use their A310s on long haul, the A350 has a very strong pair of legs to stand on in this fleet order and will suite both as an A343 and A310 replacement.
PolAir From United States of America, joined May 2001, 893 posts, RR: 2 Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8122 times:
I have never believed they were gonna order A350. However I read somewhere that LOT is already thinking about 737 replecement. First one asked to submit offer was Airbus, so I donno what to think of that. It was printed in GW I believe.