Breiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1861 posts, RR: 2 Posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 9069 times:
I read yesterday a brief news stating that, among other European means, an Airbus Beluga with 10 t of relief supplies was awaiting US Gvt. clearance to fly today to the cyclone devastated area.
10t is about the payload of the Beluga to fly directly to the Southern States from Europe.
Has anybody got more info on that?
GDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 12957 posts, RR: 79 Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 8731 times:
Mobile, Alabama seems to be the entry point for outside aid.
After a specific request, the UK Ministry Of Defence is sending an initial 500,000 military ration packs, with if requested, options on up to 4 million others.
The first batch went by a chartered DC-8-62F to Mobile, as many RAF assets are away on deployment, but as that situation improves RAF aircraft should become available.
At least two German AF A310 aid flights have also gone to Mobile.
French aid has a shorter trip, from French Caribbean territories.
The Dutch had a naval frigate in the general area, it, with stores and it's helicopters, is to be used.
There will of course be others I've not mentioned.
While clearly any A-Net members in the Mobile area, will probably have the effects of Katrina foremost on their minds, either directly or in perhaps helping the relief, if you get the chance, check out Mobile.
ChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3918 posts, RR: 2 Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 8201 times:
Thus far I haven't seen evidence that Bangor, Maine is serving as a tech stop for any flights. But I expect that BGR will see a few flights that just can't make Mobile nonstop from wherever they are departing from.
YOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4830 posts, RR: 16 Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7980 times:
I heard Castro offered 1100 doctors and nurses, and about 600 tonnes of medical supplies. Any idea whether the US gov will swallow its pride and accept - for the good of those suffering down south? If the US accepts you might see Castro's own private brand new Ilyushin make some trips acrros the Carribean, wouldn't that be nice!
AS907 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 49 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7097 times:
I hope all of you don't use the opions of one or two Americans to reach a conclusion about us! Some of us are greatful for any help we can get. I'm all the way up here in Alaska and am still grateful with any aid that can be given to the folks down in the affected areas. And, yes, Alaska is part of the USA.... I get that question a lot.
Rongotai From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 477 posts, RR: 2 Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6938 times:
No AS907 - I know full well and very personally that these idiots are not all of America. But unfortunately it is more than 1 or 2, and some of them are close to the White House. The support I am trying to give to the USA is possible because I am very much aware of the generosity of spirit that I like to think characterises your country better.
Breiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1861 posts, RR: 2 Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6705 times:
I started this thread considering that it would be of interest to the US members to know that a plane never seen before in the States was to come shortly.
I thought this is what A-net is about: planes.
Now if some of you want to turn it into a political arena, here are some facts for them to consider:
-the timing and magnitude of the foreign aid to katrina's victims is subject to US government consent and clearance,
- the US government has finally recognized, a good week into the disaster, that trivial things such as water, blankets, tents, toilets,... were in short supply, even for the most powerful and rich country in the world,
- French supplies have been stand-by for days awaiting US clearance,
- The use of the Beluga is donated by Airbus to the relief effort, in the same way that Air Canada put an A321 at disposal (may be looked at as a publicity stunt, but the Beluga was used before in natural disaster relief effort),
- the French assistance, to talk only about this European country, consists also in military planes flying from the French Caribbean Islands and in navy boats sailing to Louisiana to provide shelter and medical personnel.
I shall not enter the political debate.
I only hope that some of you were interested to know that the Beluga is coming.
PADSpot From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 5 Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6386 times:
Quoting GDB (Reply 4): At least two German AF A310 aid flights have also gone to Mobile.
At least one of these flights went to Pensacola and started without explicit government clearance. GAF had stationed some staff and equipment for training purposes at Pensacola for years. Maybe that enabled them to do it without asking. It brought about 20 tons of military ration packs which were directly unloaded from the A310 onto CH-53s and flown directly to New Orleans according to a US military Officer. It was shown on German TV ...
Quoting YOWza (Reply 23): I heard Castro offered 1100 doctors and nurses, and about 600 tons of medical supplies. Any idea whether the US gov will swallow its pride and accept - for the good of those suffering down south?
Has nothing to with pride ... The US have enough medical staff and supplies but apparently "... it was not possible to bring it into the area quickly enough". Accepting the Cuban offer is not especially necessary anymore, but would cause numerous political problems for the president stating from his point of view.
The question is whether this offer of help was intended to be a real humanitarian relief effort or just intended to provoke Bush in his situation. The same goes for Venezuela as Chavez couldn't resist to flavor his help offerings with some "accompanying commentary".
Breiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1861 posts, RR: 2 Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 5889 times:
Quoting Eirjet (Reply 43): Now back to the origional thread, has the Beluga flown to the US before?
I was wrong to write that this trip would be the first in the US.
A Beluga went to Fairbanks (Alaska) to deliver EH-101 helicopter(s) and five times to Waco (Texas) in 2002 to deliver German telescope parts.
In addition a beluga went to Japan (priceless paintings), Australia (helicopters), French Guiana (satellites), Turkey, Algeria and Indonesia (relief supplies).
The Beluga left Toulouse this Wednesday morning (French time) en route for Mobile (Alabama).
Access-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1939 posts, RR: 14 Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5234 times:
I think its great that other countries are offering to help, thats totally Awesome!!!
However, our sometimes (mostly) "OUT TO LUNCH" Govt. should all be lined up to be Stooge slapped and HARD for all the dickering around when it came to getting the ball rolling in helping these people!!!! There is just NO EXCUSE!!!!
I do believe that borders from one country to another mean nothing when something like this happens, AND not just in the US!!!
God is not respector of persons....NOR SHOULD WE BE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tockeyhockey From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 940 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5124 times:
Quoting YOWza (Reply 9): I heard Castro offered 1100 doctors and nurses, and about 600 tonnes of medical supplies. Any idea whether the US gov will swallow its pride and accept - for the good of those suffering down south? If the US accepts you might see Castro's own private brand new Ilyushin make some trips acrros the Carribean, wouldn't that be nice!
if a pig is flying through a snowstorm in hell, then, yes, we'll accept help from castro.
Positiverate From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 9 Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4917 times:
Quoting Breiz (Reply 13): I shall not enter the political debate.
However, I shall make statements like:
"the US government has finally recognized, a good week into the disaster, that trivial things such as water, blankets, tents, toilets,... were in short supply, even for the most powerful and rich country in the world"
25 Scbriml: Seeing as Cubana's haven't been delivered yet, and all IL-96s are currently grounded, this doesn't seem very likely!
26 LPLAspotter: Beluga number 2 touched down at LPLA (TER - Lajes Azores) at 10:30 AM local time. Is currently enroute to US to assist in the hurricane relief. Incre
27 GDB: Not so surprising, since Airbus has always used spare Beluga capacity for non Airbus related charters. Any AN-124's deployed yet? Usually see them in
28 VS11: Wasn't there any chance to use the new A380 to transport stuff? Granted, it is not certified but use the flight as a test flight. I guess, with all of
29 WestIndian425: Now if we can just get teh AN-225 to pay a visit, that would be nice. I'm glad for the international support. It's sad that it takes a tragedy to unit
30 BNAflyer78: What airport in Mobile are they using - BFM or MOB? Thanks. Also, any updates on the relief flights to Little Rock AFB?
31 Breiz: According to Airbus, that will be Brookley Field.
32 BHMBAGLOCK: Not surprising as they are getting ready to build their new engineering facility there.
33 Breiz: I understand that it is the US authorities which decide where the relief supplies are to be delivered.
34 Bond007: 2 Flights from Gander today to LRF (LITTLE ROCK AFB, JACKSONVILLE AR): VDA4746 A124 CYQX 19:44 KLRF 00:28 VDA4744 A124 CYQX 20:14 KLRF 00:56 One depa
35 YOWza: I knew the 96s were grounded but I figured they might make an exception. Mind you I thought Cubana had already taken delivery. hmm YOWza
36 UPS Pilot: I was one to always ask why we give so much and never get anything in return. Could the Beluga stop by Florida so I can use some of that water to wash
37 Breiz: You are more than welcome! Keep the spirit high. Your country will make it as it always does.
38 Petertenthije: Later tonight an AN124 will arrive at EIN to be loaded with 3 pumps, a truck and some specialists. I do not know when it will arrive in the US, or wh
39 Pensacolaguy: Well it has been reported one two news stations one in Mobile and the other in Pensacola. That the Beluga landed today at Mobile Downtown Airport Broo
40 GDB: Whilst not wanting to in any way minimize or trivialize the terrible suffering caused by Katrina, this article 'reviews' the UK military ration packs
41 Alessandro: Mexico is sending aid with trucks to US.
42 Dougloid: I saw the Beluga on tonight's CBS News hauling in a load.....maybe our government doesn't understand a lot but folks around here know who their friend
43 Crownvic: About four years ago a NW A320 was involved in a an accident at Las Vegas where it accidently was left unattended and rolled backwards across the ramp
44 KC135TopBoom: Not on a trans-atlantic range. The Beluga is a great outsized cargo airplane, but, it doesn't have great legs (range). Is Aibus sending the Beluga to
45 Airbuzz: Nice picture: "Relief supplies for victims of Hurricane Katrina are unloaded from the Beluga at Alabama’s Brookley Airfield."
46 Aogdesk: Beluga did customs/technical stop this morning in BUF. Here for 3 hours or so...
47 Hawk44: I joined the thread late but just want to say we will take help from where ever we can get it and thanks to all who donate or give aid to help those r
48 SouthSky: This a video of the Beluga landing in Mobile over at Brookley - BFM from our local CBS affiliate. Copy and paste: mms://mgs.mgnetwork.com/wkrg/video/B
49 Breiz: The point of landing in the US was chosen by the US authorities, not Airbus. Airbus donated aircraft and crew time to fly relief supplies provided by
50 Pilotaydin: look...the USA is old, but the people are new...pretty soon anyone that had anything to do with WWII will be long gone, that's why they say history re
51 UPS Pilot: Pilotaydin, Your post is one of the most intelligent writings I have read about Katrina, disasters, and the recovery efforts. We live in an instant gr
52 BandA: Pilotaydin! Before reading your post I was perhaps one of these people saying this went slow or that went slow regarding the Katrina. After reading yo
53 Brian_ga: Pilotaydin, very well written and I agree 100%. It will take time to overcome this tragedy but with everyone's help it will happen. I hope that the Am
54 Abrelosojos: I saw the Beluga in ATL last night (Saturday) around 0715pm.