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Mexico's Aviacsa Update: New Routes  
User currently offlinePzurita1 From Greenland, joined Sep 2002, 1392 posts, RR: 14
Posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3448 times:

Aviacsa, Mexico's third largest airline is to open new routes before year ends. Just as had been said on this forum:
PBC-MTY-NYC
TLC-MTY

But also two unexpeceted routes:
TLC-GDL-LAX
Zacatecas (ZCL)-MTY

Eduardo Morales Vega, Aviacsa CEO, stated in an interview to El Norte:
"Currently we are considering 10 more a/c, 737-300. Nowadays we have 30, but we expect to reach 40, and before the year ends we shall be getting two frames, if an agreement in our negotiations is reached".

He also says that fuel represents up to 50% of Aviacsa operating costs and despite a 20% increase in its fuel costs, they have only transfered half that to its customers. The rest has been absorbed internally reducing amenities.

So, there you have it. NYC is still under consideration if they get those 2 frames. They are also expanding GDL. However, I do not see how they will fly GDL-LAX as both AM and MX currently do it. May be it is just a mistake by the newspaper.

Interestingly enought they plan to open ZCL-MTY. No one has tried it before. Despite it is a very small O&D, they are surely after all Zacatecanos willing to fly to ORD or LAX and eventually to NYC.


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User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3414 times:

If they launch MTY-NYC, I wounder if EWR would be a better option than JFK? There isn't much service from EWR to Mexico, CAL goes to MEX, and CUN on an everyday basis.

User currently onlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6186 posts, RR: 30
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3345 times:
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ZCL-MTY might work because it puts the zacatecanos just 2 hrs. away from the border. It's just another option, even with existing direct flights from ZLC to the USA. I'm not implying anything, but 2 hrs. from the border is pretty close...


MGGS
User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5219 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3295 times:

Right! Apart from the 100MUSD investment at SLW for good house mx facilities, this is, moving everything from MEX and MTY to SLW, things at Aviacsa are starting to look interesting and despite all start-up's all over the place they are looking forward to compete and keep their market share which has risen dramatically over the last 2 years.

I read they want to start:

PBC-MTY-NYC
MEX-SLW
SLW-LAS
ZCL-MTY
TLC-GDL-ONT (LAX service).
TLC-MTY
And rumors around of a new MTY-OAX.

If they get B733s they won't have any problem flying the MEX-IAH or MTY-LAS/LAX but probably they will have problems with their MEX-HMO-TIJ currently flown by B727s unless they decide to keep them a year more.

Will be great to see 6A flying B733s and reaching 40 aircrafts!

Ricardo APM



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32734 posts, RR: 72
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3213 times:

They cannot fly LAX-GDL, with both Mexicana and AeroMexico on the route. They can do ONT-GDL, though.

I have heard they might go after Mexicana's now dormant MIA-MEX authority.



a.
User currently offlineN405MX From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1378 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3153 times:

Actually wi

Quoting AR385 (Reply 2):
ZCL-MTY might work because it puts the zacatecanos just 2 hrs. away from the border.

Actually i think that 6A will offer the conections to their LAX/ORD flights, like ACA, TAM, MLM, etc.

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 3):
read they want to start:

PBC-MTY-NYC
MEX-SLW
SLW-LAS
ZCL-MTY
TLC-GDL-ONT (LAX service).
TLC-MTY
And rumors around of a new MTY-OAX.

Also heard about MTY-VER, but QA and 5D have it covered, also QA is in plans to add again the second frecuency to VER .



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User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3073 times:

Is it safe to say the Mexican LCCs will never fly to Central/South America? It would be nice to see Aviacsa or Azteca flying to San Jose, Panama, Caracas....

User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2447 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3025 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4):
I have heard they might go after Mexicana's now dormant MIA-MEX authority.

Not until they get an aircraft capable of reaching MIA from MEX at full MTOW. B722's are on their way out and the remaining ones are busy flying MEX-TIJ and MEX-LAS... If they secure the B733's it will be a route they will seek immediately since they have established a reputation in this market...


User currently offlineFLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2998 times:

Quoting Juventus (Reply 6):
Is it safe to say the Mexican LCCs will never fly to Central/South America?

There is no such thing as a Mexican LCC.  Wink

Hopefully the sh*tstorm of new carriers wil prove me wrong Big grin


User currently offlineDavid_mx From Mexico, joined Nov 1999, 209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2965 times:

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 3):
Right! Apart from the 100MUSD investment at SLW for good house mx facilities, this is, moving everything from MEX and MTY to SLW, things at Aviacsa are starting to look interesting and despite all start-up's all over the place they are looking forward to compete and keep their market share which has risen dramatically over the last 2 years.

Ghost I didn't know Aviacsa was going to move to SLW!!! Can you please confirm it?

Well, after living 14 years in Saltillo, I can tell you SLW is going to be a nightmare if they want to set all the mx facilities, I will tell you why... SLW is down about 60% - 80% (I don't have the exact number though, this is pure speculation) of the time during the following conditions (but ask to MX and COEX):

During winter (Nov-Jan): Heavy fog (zero visibility), snow (some times), interesting icing conditions (specially during Dec and Jan) and as far as I know SLW doesn't have deicing equipment.

During summer(Jul-Sep): Huge and severe thunderstorms specially coming from the Zapaliname canyon and the Sierra Madre mountains, including interesting crosswinds, and some times near zero visibility, also flooding are common, even though we are not in hurricane season SLW gets sometimes lots, and I mean lots of rain during small periods of time (usually at evenings, 1 or 2 hours)

I know that SLW recently (I mean like two years ago) got an ILS on the runway 17 but I don't know if it is CAT I or CAT II, so if you want the airport open the entire year SLW needs a CAT III, and a backup ILS on the rwy 35, If you are flying from MEX approach to RWY 35 is done directly from the route, so you just make a descent and approach without turning, which makes real fast to arrive...

SLW is a great place though, the airport is run by the State Government and they have done a good job by doing the tiny terminal into a not that tiny (it is still small), also if you fly ClickMX to MEX you can realize that SLW is closer to San Pedro than MTY, and the parking is free!!! Although the Monterrey-Saltillo highway is kinda a nightmare... I drive it every week or even twice a week...

Anyway that is my .02 worth opinion...

Best regards ,

David.


User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5219 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2948 times:

Quoting David_mx (Reply 9):
Ghost I didn't know Aviacsa was going to move to SLW!!! Can you please confirm it?

Hey David! Glad to see you´re back! Yes, I can backup my statements:

http://www2.eluniversal.com.mx/pls/i....html?id_nota=47355&tabla=finanzas

There´s also this other project called -The Saltillo Jet Center- investment primarily made by mexican entrepreneurs and CO. More at:

www.apm-group.com.mx (News section).

Bombardier from Canada is also interested on investing big cash at SLW. They will probably open a manufacturer plant, government of Coahuila is working hard on this, one of the conditions given by Bombardier in order to install their plant is to make SLW a private airport ASAP, and apparently they will confirm this real soon! Once at private hands the project contains the construction of a new pax terminal building with 10 contact gates, a new longer runway to 17-35 and install ILS CAT III in the new runway leaving the old one with its ILS CAT I.

Aviacsa's contract with OMA at MTY is about to expire and 6A recently sold a small hangar to the government at MEX, probably they will also give away it's big hangar of MEX, so they are really looking forward to establish at SLW.

Ricardo APM



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User currently offlineFly727 From Mexico, joined Jul 2003, 1789 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2916 times:

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 10):
Aviacsa's contract with OMA at MTY is about to expire and 6A recently sold a small hangar to the government at MEX, probably they will also give away it's big hangar of MEX, so they are really looking forward to establish at SLW.

The works around Aviacsa's Hangar 1, which used to be "Ale" many many years ago are well advanced. Several buildings and private business in the area have been taken down due to the construction of the areas near of what someday will be Terminal 2. Hangar 1 resists to die but eventually it will be demolished as it is -as far as I know- one of the latest if not the last private building standing up right at this moment.

About SLW, I had no idea of those plans up until a week or so ago. I honestly do not see the real benefit of the operation besides being absolutely necessary due to the nightmare that MEX is.

Quiet frankly I see a thin line which separates operational success and a complete catastrophic failure. Picture this; not all the techicians and mechs will be willing to move to SLW, especially now that there will be more options for them to work IN Mexico City -or Toluca for that matter-. Besides, the $$ of such move is, IMHO more needed in other areas, such as aircraft replacement, although currently they should have something ready to be announced on that matter.

Why they didn't decide to move the whole enchilada to MTY where exist far more chances for employees to move there? MTY is, along with TIJ and MEX, one of the officially-established Maintenance Bases! Why open more?

Or... Is it that Mr. Morales has not tell us something about Saltillo? Are there business we haven't heard of? I hope so, he is a smart businessman and for sure likes to make $$ rather than risking it. Let's just hope and wait.

¡Sólo espero que el caldo no salga más caro que las albóndigas!

RM  Smile



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User currently onlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6186 posts, RR: 30
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks ago) and read 2896 times:
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Ghost,

The Bombardier investment was originally a Nuevo Leon initiative, along with the one with Honeywell. At the last minute (I was in charge of "the whole enchilada") Honeywell decided to pull out and not perform any outsourcing of parts, which was really the proyect. This follows a general trend of companies that are reversing the outsourcing of parts and either doing them in-house or in yes, Eastern Europe. Bombardier was never serious beyond initial talks.

The degree of growth and redesign of SLW required is such that I doubt that Bombardier will be given a facility that has all the requirements that you have listed. I'm not saying you are lying, but remember it is an electoral year and there are many political interests around. So, everything you read or hear, specially about infrastructure developments, you need to take it with a grain of salt. In any case, such investments will not take place. This or next year, I am pretty sure of that.

The Saltillo Jet Center is a different story. They've been at it for a couple of years now, and CO is seriously interested in outsourcing its parts inventory, inititially, and later move to more complicated outsourcing operations. I'm sure we'll see several CO jets, specially COEx undergoing D checks within a few years in SLW.

As for all the 6A operation moving to SLW, as Fly727 said, it is very risky. Not many "chilangos" leave their country to move to outer space so easily, so 6A stands to loose a lot of people. Money might not be a problem, for they already have a lot of infrastructure in MTY and specially in San Pedro which is very close to SLW. Now, Fly727, the Morales family has a lot of private business interests in the whole Saltillo-Monterrey area. They've got dough, lots, so maybe moving everything here makes sense to them, we just don't know it yet.



MGGS
User currently offlineN405MX From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1378 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2836 times:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 12):
As for all the 6A operation moving to SLW, as Fly727 said, it is very risky.

I think that Ghost and others refer about the new maintenance base that 6A is planning to build at SLW, because the one here at MTY is about to expire the contract with OMA, and we are not talking that they will move all their ops to SLW, only maintenance, as MTY will continue to be 6A´s hub.

Quoting David_mx (Reply 9):
Ghost I didn't know Aviacsa was going to move to SLW!!! Can you please confirm it?

You can check:
http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/2295767
http://www.apm-group.com.mx

Quoting David_mx (Reply 9):
During winter (Nov-Jan): Heavy fog (zero visibility), snow (some times), interesting icing conditions (specially during Dec and Jan) and as far as I know SLW doesn't have deicing equipment.

During summer(Jul-Sep): Huge and severe thunderstorms specially coming from the Zapaliname canyon and the Sierra Madre mountains, including interesting crosswinds, and some times near zero visibility, also flooding are common, even though we are not in hurricane season SLW gets sometimes lots, and I mean lots of rain during small periods of time (usually at evenings, 1 or 2 hours)

From november to february all MX/QA flights arrive to MTY because they can´t land at SLW because of the fog, also SLW is very restricted about go-around procedures.

Quoting David_mx (Reply 9):
SLW is a great place though, the airport is run by the State Government and they have done a good job by doing the tiny terminal into a not that tiny (it is still small), also if you fly ClickMX to MEX you can realize that SLW is closer to San Pedro than MTY,

Isn´t Santa Catarina closer?

Quoting David_mx (Reply 9):
Although the Monterrey-Saltillo highway is kinda a nightmare... I drive it every week or even twice a week...

Agree, specially with fog and with a lot of regios that don´t know how to drive on the highway or with adverse conditions.



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User currently offlineDavid_mx From Mexico, joined Nov 1999, 209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2811 times:

Hey, thank you all for confirming it... I just had the Vanguardia (local newspaper) with a note related... I'm sorry if I didn't made the search first... anyway...

Quoting Fly727 (Reply 11):
Quiet frankly I see a thin line which separates operational success and a complete catastrophic failure. Picture this; not all the techicians and mechs will be willing to move to SLW, especially now that there will be more options for them to work IN Mexico City -or Toluca for that matter-.



Quoting AR385 (Reply 12):
As for all the 6A operation moving to SLW, as Fly727 said, it is very risky. Not many "chilangos" leave their country to move to outer space so easily

Well, SLW is a great place to live, is small but at the same time has lots of stuff to enjoy, right now most of its population are people from other parts of the country, but you all are right, not many people from MEX are willing to move to SLW... which is a way is good, Saltillo has the proud first place of unemployment rate in the country, so jobs are desperately needed.

(On a sidenote real state right now is so cheap you can rent a very nice and roomy houses in a fraction of their cost , or buy a great house for the same good price, and overall cost of living is relatively cheap).

What I just don't like about this types of investment (moving facilities from X point to Y point) is exactly this: Many people in saltillo don't have any experience in aviation industry, so is 6A willing to hire people and make the proper training? I don't think so (I have been there, if you don't have previous experience then I won't hire you, and I ask myself then how come am I going to get into the airline industry? )

Quoting AR385 (Reply 12):
The degree of growth and redesign of SLW required is such that I doubt that Bombardier will be given a facility that has all the requirements that you have listed. I'm not saying you are lying, but remember it is an electoral year and there are many political interests around. So, everything you read or hear, specially about infrastructure developments, you need to take it with a grain of salt. In any case, such investments will not take place. This or next year, I am pretty sure of that.

You are so right AR, there have been thousands of promises on infrastructure on the Saltillo area while politicians are looking for their positions in the state government, for example, Enrique Martinez promised that Coahuila would have the most modern airport system in the country, and well at the end of his 6 yr period you can see MOV, PNG and SLW aren't exactly that, even TRC (which has the most commercial traffic in the state) hasn't been upgraded to a world class system. And this goes also for infrastructure that would make SLW a major hub (ie. the new Monterrey-Saltillo highway, or the sub-urban train connecting Monterrey with Saltillo) so we gotta be careful when hearing the "major" investments promised.


Quoting N405MX (Reply 13):
Isn´t Santa Catarina closer?

Yep Santa Catarina is closer, closer places of Monterrey Metro area to SLW are: Garcia (All the industries located there), Santa Catarina (again tons of companies) and Western San Pedro (Major companies like Alfa, Vitro, etc.)

Quoting N405MX (Reply 13):
From november to february all MX/QA flights arrive to MTY because they can´t land at SLW because of the fog, also SLW is very restricted about go-around procedures

Go around procedures are interesting, specially with the mountains near the airport, I understand (from an old approach chart, and eye witnessed some) that when missed approach you gotta go to saltillo (the airport is officially located in Ramos Arizpe Coahuila) and then make a turn to the right and you pass relativetely close to the mountains and with all that restrictions, MX/QA just send everyone to MTY and move them by bus (via the toll loop), let's see what is MX/QA Click going to do this winter.

Again my .02 worth,

Saludos,

David.


User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2447 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2778 times:

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 10):
Once at private hands the project contains the construction of a new pax terminal building with 10 contact gates, a new longer runway to 17-35 and install ILS CAT III in the new runway leaving the old one with its ILS CAT I.

CAT III could help a lot in SLW, but airlines serving SLW will need newer planes and pilots with CAT III certification. This could prove to be expensive, very expensive!!!!!


User currently offlinePzurita1 From Greenland, joined Sep 2002, 1392 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2772 times:

I guess SLW never got that much atention as it has in this thread.

SLW, as David_mx has pointed out, is a very active city with over 650,000 people in its metro area. It is home to large domestic firms (Grupo Industrial Saltillo, whose incomes are close to U$ 1B) and also site of major facilities for a number of international firms. Coahuila's income per capita is also well above national average, and Saltillo's must be even higher. So, it is very clear that is has all economics to have a decent airport.

Saddly, its closeness to MTY and unruly weather have always kept Plan de Guadalupe Airport in the shadow. I could think that Saltillo has grown out enough to have its OWN airport not dependant on MTY. However, its location and weather will become major problems always. I would love to have SLW as a LoCo alternative. i would not hesitate to drive to SLW to catch a flight (if the price is right). but... i do not see that happening.

There was a time when Aerolitoral flew SLW-GDL. Hopefully we could see this routing back... And please, Saltillo also needs air services to Piedras Negras... It is a long way by car!!!!!!

PZ



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User currently offlineCun757 From Mexico, joined May 2004, 202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2765 times:

I think its time for Aviacsa to go for the 757, don't you guys think so...?


757 forever
User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5219 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2739 times:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 12):
The Bombardier investment was originally a Nuevo Leon initiative

AFAIK, Bombardier still has not decided anything yet! They have recently officially said being highly interested on arriving to Mexico and it seems they have done their HW and have approached several states, including Nuevo León, Coahuila, Chihuahua and Hidalgo! A final decision is still on the air.

Quoting David_mx (Reply 14):
so we gotta be careful when hearing the "major" investments promised.

But this investment will NOT be made by Coahuila's government, if it happens, firstly the airport will get into private hands and after that several projects will take place.

Perhaps SLW plans sound very crazy, but is as crazy as SLP's plans! Currently SLP is going thru a major expansion in the terminal in order to add new commercial flights, they will add ILS and extend the current runway, they are considering real soon the arrival of B747F's, and they are extending the cargo tarmac.

Quoting Rojo (Reply 15):
CAT III could help a lot in SLW, but airlines serving SLW will need newer planes and pilots with CAT III certification. This could prove to be expensive, very expensive!!!!!

Newer planes, no, pilots certified for CATIII, yes! TLC is now a CATIII airport and old birds don't have any problems. QET wants to add CATIII and SLP's new ILS still hasn't been decided what CAT will be. So in fact, we could even soon have several airports with CATIII.

Quoting Cun757 (Reply 17):
I think its time for Aviacsa to go for the 757, don't you guys think so...?

That would be awesome! They even have crews who previously flew B757/767, all ex. GD. But it seems they will focus on a B737 fleet... they should at least get 4 for primarily routes.


Ricardo APM



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User currently offlineFly727 From Mexico, joined Jul 2003, 1789 posts, RR: 19
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2720 times:

Quoting Rojo (Reply 15):
CAT III could help a lot in SLW, but airlines serving SLW will need newer planes and pilots with CAT III certification. This could prove to be expensive, very expensive!!!!!

Rojo is right. Operation of CAT III precision approaches is far more complicated than just installing the antennas and having the aircraft and pilots certified. It involves expensive maintenance, added facilities such as outer, middle and inner markers, vigilance and modification of the existing infraestructure.

Remember that the navigational and landing facilities rely under the authority of SENEAM and not on the airport groups. That is, how do you expect to have those expensive equipment to be installed in other cities when the glideslope of MEX itself is continuosly up and down and when CUN's has it out of service since an eternity now? Can you seriously expect that to happen when Mateo SMO VOR, probably the most widely used in Mexico badly oscillates its radials?

Quoting Cun757 (Reply 17):
I think its time for Aviacsa to go for the 757, don't you guys think so...?



Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 18):
That would be awesome! They even have crews who previously flew B757/767, all ex. GD. But it seems they will focus on a B737 fleet... they should at least get 4 for primarily routes.

It would be cool but don't see it happening soon. As you said they will focus on the 737 "classics".

RM  Smile



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User currently offlineDavid_mx From Mexico, joined Nov 1999, 209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2717 times:

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 18):
But this investment will NOT be made by Coahuila's government, if it happens, firstly the airport will get into private hands and after that several projects will take place.

I think this is the major lockout... I don't see SLW being privatized... State government took it years ago (It was part of ASA), and a least here in the region there's no rumors/news of being in plans to be privatized, so this also brings a point out, the government doesn't invest on building a strong airport (and state airport system) and also doesn't let private funds to bring that investment... sounds pretty much like the "reformas" on the congress for me...

David.


User currently offlineN405MX From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1378 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2636 times:

Quoting David_mx (Reply 14):
Go around procedures are interesting, specially with the mountains near the airport, I understand (from an old approach chart, and eye witnessed some) that when missed approach you gotta go to saltillo (the airport is officially located in Ramos Arizpe Coahuila) and then make a turn to the right and you pass relativetely close to the mountains and with all that restrictions, MX/QA just send everyone to MTY and move them by bus (via the toll loop), let's see what is MX/QA Click going to do this winter.

They can cancel the flights, or in some days, the send it MEX-MTY instead of SLW, sometimes is better for the passengers, but now with QA operating the route, it seems that the airplane won´t we waiting at the airport, so they´ll be protected by MX, MX don´t use buses anymore (because of an accident time ago).

Quoting Fly727 (Reply 19):
Rojo is right. Operation of CAT III precision approaches is far more complicated than just installing the antennas and having the aircraft and pilots certified. It involves expensive maintenance, added facilities such as outer, middle and inner markers, vigilance and modification of the existing infraestructure.

Both are right, SENEAM operates those things, and some are not working, and really need heavy maintenance.

Cheers



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User currently offlineFlydc10 From Mexico, joined Aug 2004, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2567 times:

Hey

Aviacsa should get 2 752 and fly mex-jfk-lhr/lgw this will be very profitable because no Mexican carrier flies to London.



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User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2556 times:

Flyd10, I'm not sure if a 757 can fly MEX-LHR non-stop, also if the British government gives a Mexican carrier LHR landing slots, they'll probably go to AM or MX. Personally, I rather see MX fly to LHR or LGW on a widebody Airbus when they arrive, I used to think they would get a second 767 and fly to London, but that didn't happen. As far as Aviacsa getting 757s, that would be cool. NYC, and Chicago can support 757 flights.

User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2447 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2554 times:

Quoting Flydc10 (Reply 22):
Aviacsa should get 2 752 and fly mex-jfk-lhr/lgw this will be very profitable because no Mexican carrier flies to London.

First, 6A can't fly MEX-JFK-MEX since AM and MX already hold route authority. Additionally, that route will not be profitable unless they secure 5th freedom rights for the JFK-LHR/LGW-JFK portion to compensate for the passengers starting/ending their journey in JFK. Finally, the JFK-LON-JFK route is saturated and it will be difficult for a new airline with one flight to get good yields... Overall, it is a crazy idea!!


25 Juventus : I don't think Aviacsa has even considered the prospect of buying 757s. It would be nice, but they need to concentrate on getting newer 737s, and openi
26 Post contains images Latinplane : According to Ghost they were thinking about it, at one time; but the idea seems pretty much to be a little too much, which is exactly why they didn't
27 MAH4546 : The British government doesn't care who gets the slots. Slots are sold, and airlines have to pay for them. And they cost a lot of money...one slot du
28 MTYFREAK : Weekly? Monthly? On a year basis? Please be more specific.
29 MAH4546 : I don't see how more specific I can get. A slot costs $3M. Airlines own them, like property.
30 MTYFREAK : Now you're specific.
31 Ghost77 : Yes that was the idea! Aviacsa got good offers after 9/11th for B752s! Same thing goes for ZE (but at the end ZE decided to get additional B733s), ZE
32 Airlineslover : I am agree with you guys but considering that the mexican goverment and mexican authority always AM/MX are considering as "REAL" airlines in Mexico, I
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