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Q400 A Solution For US At PHL?  
User currently offlineJdwfloyd From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 837 posts, RR: 4
Posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4050 times:

Just wondering what your opinion of US getting the Q400 and using it for the short hops out of PHL on the high demand routes. It seems that it is a perfect fit and would work well on the routes such as PHL to DCA,LGA,ABE,BWI,AVP MDT and so on. Any route that is currently a RJ and would be an hour or less on the new Q series. This would be a more efficient and economical solution for these routes.

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User currently offlineSonOfACaptain From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1747 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4028 times:

But what a minute, isn't that plane a prop? I can't ride it. It is slow and unsafe. I NEED A JET......so says the flying public.

It would be a perfect match for US but the flying public is "scared" of props.

-SOAC



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User currently offlineJdwfloyd From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 837 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4020 times:

Put a jet way on it and half the cattle will not notice.  Wink

User currently offlineRJNUT From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3933 times:

q400 would solve many airlines problems..Gawd they are all stupid!!!

User currently offlineDartland From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 642 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3928 times:
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Flying public will notice having to transfer between F terminal and A/B/C at PHL

User currently offlineJdwfloyd From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 837 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3915 times:

Quoting Dartland (Reply 4):
Flying public will notice having to transfer between F terminal and A/B/C at PHL

They have to go to F terminal to get on 170s and CRJs/ERJs.


User currently offlineBtriple7 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1160 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3893 times:

The Q400 may be more economical than other RJs, but the American traveling public (or any traveling public) tend to think of props as unsafe, slow, and cramped. Even if this is not true, airlines can't change the public opinion.

Regards,
Btriple7

EDIT: Grammer mistake

[Edited 2005-09-07 03:42:40]


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User currently offlineHZ747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1647 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3885 times:
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Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 1):
It would be a perfect match for US but the flying public is "scared" of props.

Must be an East Coast thing. Horizon Air did a study and found that most (over 90%) passengers did not have any reluctance in flying a propeller plane (turboprop) over a jet plane. And like you have mentioned, on flights of 350 miles or so, the performance difference was very small.

They discuss the study when Horizon was profiled in AirlinerWorld.



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User currently offlineSupa7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3863 times:

A guy asked about the Q400 that in late 2003 during a company meeting. Dave Siegel (then CEO) had a twinkle in his eyes and said the Q400 was indeed under consideration. But it was not ordered.

If today's oil prices had been known in 2000/2001, maybe US would have ordered the Q400 for PSA Airlines to replace the Dornier 328. But now it's kind of too late in a sense (enough regional airplanes in the system).

At one point the Dash-8 was going to be phased out. Now the Dash-8s are going to stay long-term. So that does support the idea that US has a good network for props, indeed probably the world's best network for props. Oh well.


User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3965 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3854 times:

How will the average passenger know what type of aircraft they are going to be traveling on when booking a flight? Really, is somebody going to cancel their trip upon seeing the aircraft sitting at their gate?

User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3852 times:

I for one can't wait for the day Horizon finally begins MOD-LAX so I can finally get to ride a Q400. Hear (or don't hear) they are pretty spectacular.

Who else is making passenger propliners nowadays? Beech?

Quoting HZ747300 (Reply 7):
on flights of 350 miles or so, the performance difference was very small.

And Horizon uses them on routes almost twice as long...and is still able to compete head-to-head with Soutwest.
I don't know if that says more about the aircraft or the airline?



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User currently offlineJdwfloyd From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 837 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3849 times:

Piedmont will eventually need new A/C. I do not see why the new management would not consider the Q for a replacement. The Q series would be a great option to fill the gap that no jet can currently fill.

User currently offlineF27XXX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3796 times:

They need to think fast because those cruddy slow lumbering old Pennsylvania Airlines (yes i go back with them that far!)and Piedmont DH8-100s they have flyin arent gonna be doin it for much longer. Theyre becoming the Shorts 360s of the industry and are an embarassment to whats supposedly gonna be this illustrious andglamorourous "new" USAirways. The only things worse in the skies right now are J41s, and any Beechcraft 1900 (C or D) and USAirways Express flies em al - loaded with full fare paying business travellers in the northeast - - wonder why people go flocking to other carriers the minute USE gets any competition?

User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3766 times:

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 8):
A guy asked about the Q400 that in late 2003 during a company meeting. Dave Siegel (then CEO) had a twinkle in his eyes and said the Q400 was indeed under consideration. But it was not ordered.

Yes, Siegel wanted them, and Bombardier really wanted to sell him some. Sadly, Lakefield and Ashby did not want anything to do with them.

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 8):
At one point the Dash-8 was going to be phased out.

I don't know why people keep saying this, because it's not true.

Quoting Stirling (Reply 10):
Who else is making passenger propliners nowadays? Beech?

ATR is Bombardier's primary competitor in the market.

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Reply 11):
Piedmont will eventually need new A/C. I do not see why the new management would not consider the Q for a replacement. The Q series would be a great option to fill the gap that no jet can currently fill.

Piedmont does already fly a number of Q200 aircraft. Some of the -100s are getting up there in age though.

What Piedmont really wanted were more 50-seat Dash 8-300s. They actively looked for more for over a year, but they're just not out there in the secondary market.



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User currently offlineDrewfly From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 303 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3759 times:

I would love to see the Q400 flying the HVN - PHL run. Traffic at Tweed is on the rise. It wouldn't hurt to put a larger and more modern aircraft on the route, as Delta has started their service with CRJs.


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User currently offlineF27XXX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3723 times:

I'd even more so wish to see EMB-145 or CRJ200s o HVNPHL and the EMB170s or CR7s or 9s on HVNCLT.

Take it frm someone who put in alotta years as a Pax Svc Supvsr with USAirways Express at that very airport, the connecting traffic goes SOUTH!!

The day DL adds a HVNATL route to its HVNCVG -- and US adds HVNCLT is when you'll see Tweed traffic go thru the roof!

Tony


User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3661 times:

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Thread starter):
DCA,LGA,ABE,BWI,AVP MDT

Jdwfloyd I've been recommending this for some time as well, for some of those exact same routes!!! This, and earlier things today have gotten you a spot on my RU list.

Quoting Dartland (Reply 4):
Flying public will notice having to transfer between F terminal and A/B/C at PHL

You already do, at least for MDT, ABE, AVP, etc. Maybe not for DCA as I'd think that does go mainline primarily, and probably will stay 737/319 for the capacity.

Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 1):


It would be a perfect match for US but the flying public is "scared" of props.

They're already flying props on those same routes, its typically a mix of prop/RJ depending on time of day and whatnot... since 50 seat DH-8s are hard to come by and at some times those intra-PA routes need 50+ seats of capacity.


User currently offlineSquid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3635 times:

I think the ERJ-170's/190's and the Q400 are going to be the future saviors of the major airlines. The Q400's numbers are so good, I am surprised more airlines than just Horizon have ordered it. But if oil prices don't drop soon, and I don't think they will, I bet we will see more airlines order it.

User currently offlineCessna172RG From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 747 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3616 times:

The performance aspect of the Q400 is pretty neat. They get you up and down in a hurry and are superpowered rockets, if you can get over the fact that they are based on the smaller Dash 8.

And they tend to be so overpowered that the planes literally break themselves.

Out of all the planes in Horizons fleet, I see the Q400 go on maintanence more than the Q200 or the RJs.

But hey, no plane is perfect, and perhaps it could be considered as part of the breaking in period. Every aircraft has its bugs to work out.

As for the fear of props, I wonder why almost all Horizon Q400s are filled to the brims with passengers...

...must be the free beer!



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User currently offlineDFORCE1 From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 505 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3418 times:

I think it's time AC Jazz started replacing its older Dash 8 100's and 300's. AC Jazz President was quoted in one of the airline magazines a few months ago expressing interest in acquiring some Dash 8 Q400's - particularly for high frequency short hops such as YYJ-YVR. He wanted to exchange some of the CRJ-200's being transferred to Jazz for new Q400's.

User currently offlineMikephotos From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2923 posts, RR: 54
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3397 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 9):
How will the average passenger know what type of aircraft they are going to be traveling on when booking a flight? Really, is somebody going to cancel their trip upon seeing the aircraft sitting at their gate?

Usually, they ask at the time of booking and/or their travel agent tells them.

Mike


User currently offlinePrimetimeDC9 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3362 times:

You would think that there would be some market for those people who are looking for cheaper seats, I don't think the turboprop thing would mess things up too much. there are plenty of jets out there to take care of the people who are scared to fly prop planes, but not enough prop planes for the people who are looking for cheaper tickets. i for one prefer flying props

User currently offlineJdwfloyd From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 837 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3237 times:

The Q could also serve as a Carib A/C out of FLL or SJU like AA uses the ATR. Maybe in the future US will be less dependent inter island code share flts and give AA a run for their money out of SJU.

User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3965 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3210 times:

Quoting Mikephotos (Reply 20):
Usually, they ask at the time of booking and/or their travel agent tells them

That may be true for SOME of the people who book in person, those that do book IN PERSON, however these are two qualifiers that equal to not that many people in total.

Most people I know book a trip anywhere based on price - they want the cheapest trip available, sometimes they have an airline preference, sometimes not but that makes no difference. Ok your trip is $xxx, whew that's nice and cheap, yay. Travel agents normally do not go out of their way to give airplane types, they will give flight numbers and times and sometimes they will tell you if you are flying on an express route or a codeshare. I have yet to come across anyone who had a conversation so in depth as: "May I ask what type of aircraft I will be flying on? A DH4? Ok I don't know anything about aircraft, but in any case, is that by any chance a propeller aircraft?"

Then again, I believe the percentage of travelers booking online is very high and the number is in fact increasing. Same here, some websites will give the aircraft type, some do not. Often it is in a sidenote that people who are price-oriented will not notice or pay attention to. Even in the case they care about reserving their exact seats, the websites are often tricky and only show the fuselage. Lo and behold!

Business travelers are even less likely to have a say when their companies book the trips for them.


User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3193 times:

usairways.com will give you the plane types when you search by schedule (which on their website is the only way to go... search by price gives me a headache just trying to decipher times from flight numbers and whatnot like NW, and UA) The thing is the public might now know the difference between a Dash 8 and a CRJ, except the CRJ says "Canadair Regional Jet" when you click it.

User currently offlineRunway27Right From United States of America, joined May 2004, 131 posts, RR: 10
Reply 25, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3050 times:

Grammar

Quoting Btriple7 (Reply 6):
EDIT: Grammer mistake

I agree, The Q400 would be a great solution, but like has been stated previously in this thread. People think their being cheated with props.


Paul



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