Jdwfloyd From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 837 posts, RR: 4 Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8517 times:
I doubt it will be doing many revenue flts with out it, so as soon as the new mx guys can glue one on it will be fixed.
Btriple7 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1139 posts, RR: 9 Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8493 times:
This remark under the picture says that the plane is missing a winglet only on the left wing. Wouldn't this affect the pilots control of the aircraft? It seems there would be a lot of air disturbance on the left side and not on the right.
Gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16215 posts, RR: 88 Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8465 times:
Pretty much all aircraft are dispatchable while missing a winglet.
Laxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22258 posts, RR: 50 Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8465 times:
Quoting Btriple7 (Reply 2): This remark under the picture says that the plane is missing a winglet only on the left wing. Wouldn't this affect the pilots control of the aircraft? It seems there would be a lot of air disturbance on the left side and not on the right.
I doubt a pilot would ever even notice it. There however is a slight fuel burn performance penalty fror the missing winglet.
If you check out the database you'll find several photos of wiglets missing on A320s, B744s etc...
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HPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3706 posts, RR: 8 Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8454 times:
The other day I flew on an HP A320 that was missing half a winglet. Thought it strange but it was simply taped over so obviously it isn't a big deal. Of course it will be fixed in time.
Carpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2779 posts, RR: 4 Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 8236 times:
All seven A332 are needed to fly those Asian routes until a couple more are delivered this fall. N855NW will probably fly this way until NW can scrounge up a 742 or two out of MHV (to cover for the GUM mishap) or an additional DC-10.
Redtailmsp From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 204 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 8191 times:
Performance penalty wise, there is a one percent increase in the fuel burn with one winglet missing. There is also a take-off weight penalty which is, I think, about 11000lbs off the structural weight of the aircraft. This does not cause any real problems for NWA out of SEA/PDX/SFO or anywhere in the Orient where it can take off at NWA's certified max take-off weight of 513700 lbs under most conditions. The offending winglet is being replaced temporarily by one sourced from Airbus that should be fitted soon. The winglet will be repaired and returned to service in good time - the winglets are composite material. A pilot who flew this aircraft said that the aircraft flew normally with perhaps a one degree left wing down.
Baw716 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1995 posts, RR: 30 Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7987 times:
Winglets increase performance. Absent that, you just lose some.
Ergo, weight or fuel penalty, plus some trim performance. Depending on the aircraft, it could be a little, or a lot. The A330 is pretty flexible in this respect.
An aircraft like, say, the MD11, is not. Lose a winglet on the MD11 and its grounded.
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Flpuck6 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2119 posts, RR: 33 Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7577 times:
An AF A340 (LZT) has also come into our airport without one winglet ... it had a run-in with a DL 777 at CVG (rather the DL777 pushed back into the AF A340). The aircraft flew without one winglet for a day or two. The only penalisation was in the fuel burn.
AS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 5834 posts, RR: 23 Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6992 times:
RootsAir..your 100% correct. Its looks very blaa! Looks like an A300 thought to me.
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SafetyDude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3795 posts, RR: 16 Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6775 times:
AviatorTJ From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1838 posts, RR: 8 Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6588 times:
I think the plane looks better without it.
Quoting Jdwfloyd (Reply 1): as soon as the new mx guys can glue one on it will be fixed.
So maybe they'll glue the other one for good measure, and neither will hold.
Acidradio From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1855 posts, RR: 10 Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6226 times:
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When did NW buy the A300? I know they are into old birds, but this?
AirRuss From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 34 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5346 times:
Geo772 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 497 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 4271 times:
Not having a winglet fitted is usually very unpopular with passengers. They have come to expect that one wing should look the same as the other.
Also the performance penalty that some aircraft take is quite severe for missing a winglet. Not just fuel burn but MTOW and enroute climb penalties can mean the difference between the aircraft making money and not.
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N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25869 posts, RR: 79 Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 4235 times:
Quoting Carpethead (Reply 6): All seven A332 are needed to fly those Asian routes until a couple more are delivered this fall. N855NW will probably fly this way until NW can scrounge up a 742 or two out of MHV (to cover for the GUM mishap) or an additional DC-10.
I doubt that would happen. It doesn't take all that much time to replace a winglet and NW is not going to go through the process of reactivating a sitting aircraft when it will still be a less efficient way to go
Quoting RootsAir (Reply 12): incredible no one has mentioned how less sexy the A330 looks w/o its winglet.
Actually, while I love winglets and their look, I think the wing looks very sharp sans winglet
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Jetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2674 posts, RR: 36 Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3198 times:
i havent heard of a 747 without winglets before
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25 M404: How did this accident happen? Was it during pushback? In other words was it caused by inexperienced ground crews driving the tug while replacing the s
26 Tornado82: Well at least we made it to reply #25 before someone negatively mentioned replacement workers and whatnot. How close to the "limits" is an A330 cross
27 JrMafia90: It looks like it could be part of the Boeing family now.
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