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NW A332 Without Winglet  
User currently offlineN808NW From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 374 posts, RR: 4
Posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9394 times:

As you may of heard N855NW hit another aircraft at PDX a couple of weeks ago, so it seems mechanics repaired it without placing a new winglet on.

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When will it get a new winglet? I'm guessing not any time soon with the current situation their in, but who knows.


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User currently offlineJdwfloyd From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 837 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9376 times:

I doubt it will be doing many revenue flts with out it, so as soon as the new mx guys can glue one on it will be fixed.

User currently offlineBtriple7 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1161 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9352 times:

This remark under the picture says that the plane is missing a winglet only on the left wing. Wouldn't this affect the pilots control of the aircraft? It seems there would be a lot of air disturbance on the left side and not on the right.

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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 84
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9324 times:

Pretty much all aircraft are dispatchable while missing a winglet.

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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25392 posts, RR: 49
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9324 times:

Quoting Btriple7 (Reply 2):
This remark under the picture says that the plane is missing a winglet only on the left wing. Wouldn't this affect the pilots control of the aircraft? It seems there would be a lot of air disturbance on the left side and not on the right.

I doubt a pilot would ever even notice it. There however is a slight fuel burn performance penalty fror the missing winglet.
If you check out the database you'll find several photos of wiglets missing on A320s, B744s etc...



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User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4058 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9313 times:

The other day I flew on an HP A320 that was missing half a winglet. Thought it strange but it was simply taped over so obviously it isn't a big deal. Of course it will be fixed in time.

User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2954 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 9095 times:

All seven A332 are needed to fly those Asian routes until a couple more are delivered this fall. N855NW will probably fly this way until NW can scrounge up a 742 or two out of MHV (to cover for the GUM mishap) or an additional DC-10.

User currently offlineRedtailmsp From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 208 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 9050 times:

Performance penalty wise, there is a one percent increase in the fuel burn with one winglet missing. There is also a take-off weight penalty which is, I think, about 11000lbs off the structural weight of the aircraft. This does not cause any real problems for NWA out of SEA/PDX/SFO or anywhere in the Orient where it can take off at NWA's certified max take-off weight of 513700 lbs under most conditions. The offending winglet is being replaced temporarily by one sourced from Airbus that should be fitted soon. The winglet will be repaired and returned to service in good time - the winglets are composite material. A pilot who flew this aircraft said that the aircraft flew normally with perhaps a one degree left wing down.

User currently offlineBaw716 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2028 posts, RR: 27
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 8846 times:

Winglets increase performance. Absent that, you just lose some.
Ergo, weight or fuel penalty, plus some trim performance. Depending on the aircraft, it could be a little, or a lot. The A330 is pretty flexible in this respect.
An aircraft like, say, the MD11, is not. Lose a winglet on the MD11 and its grounded.

baw716



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User currently offlineBrightCedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1289 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 8806 times:

Reminds me of an A300... Strange sight.


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User currently offlineGlobeTrekker From Netherlands, joined Dec 2003, 851 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 8802 times:

An airplane missing a winglet is not that uncommon...........


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User currently offlineRotate From Switzerland, joined Feb 2003, 1491 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 8690 times:


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this doesnt affect the plane at all ....

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User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 8675 times:

incredible no one has mentioned how less sexy the A330 looks w/o its winglet. There it looks like a 767

Really the A330 without winglets is like a woman without make up that has just woken up early in the morning



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User currently offlineFlpuck6 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2123 posts, RR: 29
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 8436 times:

An AF A340 (LZT) has also come into our airport without one winglet ... it had a run-in with a DL 777 at CVG (rather the DL777 pushed back into the AF A340). The aircraft flew without one winglet for a day or two. The only penalisation was in the fuel burn.


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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6143 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7851 times:

RootsAir..your 100% correct. Its looks very blaa! Looks like an A300 thought to me.

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User currently offlineMorvious From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 707 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7688 times:

Quoting Baw716 (Reply 8):
An aircraft like, say, the MD11, is not. Lose a winglet on the MD11 and its grounded.

Isn't that because the nav and strobe lights are mounted on the winglet? So it needs the winglet to have lights on it!?



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User currently offlineSafetyDude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3795 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7634 times:

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 6):
(to cover for the GUM mishap)

What was the GUM mishap?

-Will



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User currently offlineAviatorTJ From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1838 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7447 times:

I think the plane looks better without it.

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Reply 1):
as soon as the new mx guys can glue one on it will be fixed.

So maybe they'll glue the other one for good measure, and neither will hold.  Wink


User currently offlineAcidradio From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1874 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7085 times:
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When did NW buy the A300? I know they are into old birds, but this?


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User currently offlineAirRuss From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 6205 times:

Quoting SafetyDude (Reply 16):
What was the GUM mishap?

Nose gear collapse on 8/19.

See: Northwest 747 Nosegear Collapse At GUM (by A340Spotter Aug 19 2005 in Civil Aviation)


User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5555 times:

BTW A319/A320/A321s have wingfences. They aren't called winglets. And the A380s.

And the A320-100s have no wingfences at all.



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User currently offlineGeo772 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5130 times:

Not having a winglet fitted is usually very unpopular with passengers. They have come to expect that one wing should look the same as the other.

Also the performance penalty that some aircraft take is quite severe for missing a winglet. Not just fuel burn but MTOW and enroute climb penalties can mean the difference between the aircraft making money and not.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26497 posts, RR: 75
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5094 times:

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 6):
All seven A332 are needed to fly those Asian routes until a couple more are delivered this fall. N855NW will probably fly this way until NW can scrounge up a 742 or two out of MHV (to cover for the GUM mishap) or an additional DC-10.

I doubt that would happen. It doesn't take all that much time to replace a winglet and NW is not going to go through the process of reactivating a sitting aircraft when it will still be a less efficient way to go

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 12):
incredible no one has mentioned how less sexy the A330 looks w/o its winglet.

Actually, while I love winglets and their look, I think the wing looks very sharp sans winglet



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User currently offlineCalAir From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 298 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4243 times:

Hehe. Wow, a NW A300B4!! Looks very good I think!


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User currently offlineJetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2788 posts, RR: 32
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4057 times:

i havent heard of a 747 without winglets before


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25 M404 : How did this accident happen? Was it during pushback? In other words was it caused by inexperienced ground crews driving the tug while replacing the s
26 Post contains images Tornado82 : Well at least we made it to reply #25 before someone negatively mentioned replacement workers and whatnot. How close to the "limits" is an A330 cross
27 JrMafia90 : It looks like it could be part of the Boeing family now.
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