IL76TD From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 289 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3549 times:
Yea but this is Emirates, generally, things here relating to anything government are done without much thought, even if they try.
It wasn't an announcement, as I said, it was told to us at the GCAA operators meeting, it was not a press conference, it was a closed door meeting, i figured i'd make you all privy to the info as I know alot of people enjoy spotting at SHJ and others for the oldies. You probably won't hear much about it fro a while. I was at the meeting FYI as we are a UAE based operator.
IL-18's and AN-12's are ALL older than 25 years, so they are naturally banned as that part of the clause. The other aircraft may/may not be over 25 years old, they are banned nonetheless.
A300 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 455 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 2 days ago) and read 3383 times:
Well it sounds that it is mainly designed to hurt the Iranians!
Unless they are retiring them soon, Iran Air (IR) has 4 727-200s and Iran Aseman (EP) has another 4. IR's A300-B2Ks were already mentioned. SAHA (IRZ) operates(ed) 707-3J9s into SHJ. I guess there will be a lot of F100 flights (IR and EP)!
JoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2212 posts, RR: 9 Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 2 days ago) and read 3334 times:
Quoting Rossbaku (Reply 11): That's a bit of stupid idea is it not? They really will be throwing away quite a bit of help for the UAE economy if they decide to keep this firm-rooted.
Eliminate alot of competition for both Emirates and Emirates Sky Cargo?! At present, you have so many cheap cargo options, for example, to get goods out of the UAE, and most of them are shipped out on non-EK flights. This way, many companies will have to concede defeat and guess who wins the game
Lightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 11886 posts, RR: 100 Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3178 times:
Quoting IL76TD (Thread starter): As of January 1, 2007, no aircraft older than 25 years of age will be allowed to operate to UAE airports.
Whoa! This violates ICAO guidelines and law. Are you sure about this? If so, and 747's, DC-10's etc. are kept out of the UAE, expect *all* UAE flights to be kept out of the USA... For if a country bans aircraft via a manner non-approved by ICAO, other ICAO countries are then free to ignore the ICAO guidelines and band their aircraft at whim.
Now, ICAO guidelines include the noise regulations (with airports allowed to set noise quotas, curfews, etc.), pollution (smoke, CO, NOx with fees and levies allowed on these emissions), aircraft size and weights (e.g., an airport can be limited to class IV or less), navigation, and other sub-rules.
This is like Europe banning low bypass stage 3 aircraft (hushkits). The allowed retaliation legally is pretty broad in scope. In that case the USA backed down, but wasn't required to.
Now, the UAE could legally get rid of the IL-18's, AN-12's and most soviet airframes by requiring State 3 noise regulations. I believe the 707's would be hit by this too.
IL76TD From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 289 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3035 times:
They won't ban stage III, as the IL-76 is too vital to their economy.
It does not violate ICAO as it is only absolute for aircraft registered and/or based in UAE as a foreign operator. However, aircraft intending to operate to UAE will be considered on a case by case basis, basically, if the operator has a perfectly clean safety record they will be given a one time landing permit. However you cannot base or operate scheduled service (block permits) with aircraft older than 25 years of age.
"I doubt this will go through."
This isn't proposed, it is already incorporated into UAE Civil Aviation Rules and Regs, so it HAS gone through.
"Now, the UAE could legally get rid of the IL-18's, AN-12's and most soviet airframes by requiring State 3 noise regulations. I believe the 707's would be hit by this too."
Actually, turboprop aircraft under a certain MTOW are exempt, per ICAO, from noise regs, which is why AN-12 and IL-18 can still operate to FRA/OST/etc. without exemption.
CV580Freak From Bahrain, joined Jul 2005, 1033 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2962 times:
Quoting : YOWza
"I'd love to see that truck ride to the ISLAND of Bahrain"
Quite easy really and happens 1000's of times a day across the 26 km King Fahd Causeway which links Bahrain to Saudi Arabia and thus the whole of the Middle East. To facilitate further growth two new causeways are being built linking Bahrain with Qatar and from Saudi Arabia to Egypt.
A well known "yellow" express company now runs trucks to Europe via IST from Bahrain on a daily basis.
As for "tariffs on cargo trucks" , the UAE is a member of the GCC and no tariffs are, or can be, levied.
One day you are the pigeon, the next the statue ...
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2882 times:
Quoting IL76TD (Reply 8): Yea but this is Emirates, generally, things here relating to anything government are done without much thought, even if they try.
what a brilliant comment that was ......thats why it has one of the fastest growing cities in the world, and The Emirates Govt. knows DXB oil/gas is running out soon so they decided to make it into a first class tourist city amongst other things such as golf..
so less thought that even Tiger Woods competes in the Dubai Classic....
IL76TD From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 289 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 15 hours ago) and read 2735 times:
Hey, Jacobin777, I live here in Dubai, where do you live???
1) The government likes you to believe it is the fastest growing city in the world, it isn't even in the top 10, and isn't even the fastest growing in the middle east (Doha, Qatar is #1). Besides, even if a city (Dubai) of 1,000,000 people is fast growing, at the end of the day it is still only 1,000,000 people, which is nothing.
2) This is not a first class tourist destination by any means. Possibly in 15-25 years, but at this point it is one big dusty constrution site with horrible, HORRIBLE, urban planning (roads, traffic, utilites).
3) You may say, there is all this construction someobody is interested in the place...there is is difference between market construction and desperation construction. The government is the owner of and developer of 90% of the 'projects' in dubai. Is there any demand for 200,000 new apartments in the next 2 years, nope (supply/demand equality is estimated to take 15-20 years due to oversupply of the market). Basically the dubai property market is a big scam (could go into it further but it takes a while) propogated by the government to pad their pockets.
As you clearly don't live here, you don't get a first hand experience of how backwards the government is here.
You need to get your head out of your ass and learn a little before mouthing off. The emirates government doesn't give a crap what happens to dubai, as Abu Dhabi (Ruling Emirate) and Sharjah have plenty of oil/gas for the near and far future, and each emirate operates as its own entity.
Mark my words, dubai in 10-20 years will be a ghost town, not some massive metropolis in the middle east...
EurostarVA From Bahrain, joined May 2002, 1296 posts, RR: 8 Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 15 hours ago) and read 2719 times:
Quoting CV580Freak (Reply 17): To facilitate further growth two new causeways are being built linking Bahrain with Qatar and from Saudi Arabia to Egypt
Causeway being built between Egypt and Saudi Arabia I must have missed its announcement ! Would be nice to drive for hours over a bridge....lol.
Quoting IL76TD (Reply 21): Mark my words, dubai in 10-20 years will be a ghost town, not some massive metropolis in the middle east...
Quite a grim and negative outlook. Well, Dubai 30 years ago was....nothing. Now it's a high-tech, forward-thinking and booming city (in world standards) that was only in the rulers' dreams 30 years ago. Perhaps the real estate market will cool for a lot of reasons in a few years, but the overall picture you painted is exaggerated pessimism.
HiJazzey From Saudi Arabia, joined Sep 2005, 805 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 13 hours ago) and read 2650 times:
Quoting EurostarVA (Reply 22): Causeway being built between Egypt and Saudi Arabia Wow! I must have missed its announcement ! Would be nice to drive for hours over a bridge....lol.
The proposed bridge is over the straights of Tiran, so it would be shorter than the King Fahad Causeway if built. But it never will be, despite the efforts of the Egyptian government, because the Saudi government isn't willing to put up the huge capital costs.
25 CV580Freak: I thought it was a Saudi idea to promote tourism and pilgrimages ?
26 HiJazzey: Nope. The main beneficiary is Egypt. The bridge would provide road access to Sharm ash Sheikh for travelers from the Arabian peninsula and Levant.
27 IL76TD: Yes, the firestation is in the same spot and I don't know of any plans to move it, unless that is part of the new terminal plans. The construction se
28 Fly-K: SHJ's website says the ramp permit scheme is suspended until further notice due to airport expansion. Can we expect it to return at all? It would be s