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ATA To Swap 4 753 For 4 73G's  
User currently offlineTundra767 From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2005, 430 posts, RR: 4
Posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 8459 times:

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We now have three 737-300 aircraft in maintenance, and plan to pick up a fourth one before the end of the month. All three of the classic 737s are being reconfigured and repainted. And we have agreed to swap 4 of our 757-300 aircraft with Continental Airlines in return for 4 of their 737-700 aircraft. We will pick up two of the Continental aircraft this fall, and two after the first of the year, but we don't give up all the 757s until the first quarter of next year so we can keep them in service for our military.

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User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16872 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 8415 times:

There were rumors all Summer of ATA trading their 4 remaning 757-300s to CO in exchange for 14 CO 737-700s, this sounds much more reasonable for both carriers.


Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineTundra767 From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2005, 430 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 8376 times:

Yes I agree I will miss the 753 in ATA colours. But now we have it confirmed that this is going to happen!

User currently offlineCV580Freak From Bahrain, joined Jul 2005, 1033 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 8347 times:

Quoting STT757

"4 x B757-300's for 14 xB737-700's"

Now that's a GREAT deal ....



One day you are the pigeon, the next the statue ...
User currently offlineTundra767 From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2005, 430 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 8324 times:

LOL some used car dealer I mean airplane dealer is happy! It seems a litle of to me especially seeing the demand for 757's at the moment.

User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6485 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 8318 times:

It's sad to read about a carrier in its death throes like this.


When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.' T.Roosevelt
User currently offlineCV580Freak From Bahrain, joined Jul 2005, 1033 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 8295 times:

If you want to make some money, buy an airfield, large one, out in the AZ desert.

They'll be knocking on your door in droves soon Sad



One day you are the pigeon, the next the statue ...
User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6485 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 8273 times:

Quoting Tundra767 (Reply 4):
LOL some used car dealer I mean airplane dealer is happy! It seems a litle of to me especially seeing the demand for 757's at the moment.

Dollars to doughnuts this deal was brokered by Boeing.



When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.' T.Roosevelt
User currently offlineBtriple7 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1162 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 8259 times:

Wait, I'm confused. Will Continental have to pay a little extra for trading 4 small aircraft for 4 larger aircraft? If not, it seems ATA is getting a bit of a raw deal.

Thanks,
Btriple7



Just...fly.
User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 8214 times:

It would also be hard to find another taker for the 753 as there just are not that many of them about. That affects their resale potential. There are plenty of 752 operators of course, but a 753 would be an oddball for the vast majority of those carriers and create planning issues.

CO already have a fleet of them so they are the natural 'adoptive parent'.


User currently offlineTundra767 From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2005, 430 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 8188 times:

Quoting N328KF (Reply 7):
Dollars to doughnuts this deal was brokered by Boeing.

I think you are right. But this also sounds like an ATA move IMHO they sell them selves short sometimes this look like one of them.


User currently offlineLN-MOW From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1908 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 8148 times:

.. and the AMC fleets shrinks again ...... Has it occured to anyone in ATA that they're cutting of the branch they're sitting on?  worried 


- I am LN-MOW, and I approve this message.
User currently offlineThelowfarehero From Cayman Islands, joined Aug 2005, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 8108 times:

interesting they are moving towards an all 737 fleet....wonder if WN has a hand in this?


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User currently offlineTundra767 From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2005, 430 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 8108 times:

I have been saying the same thing. I think ATA is cutting there own throat. Its really sad.

User currently offlineATA753 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7958 times:

This move will let ATA to save some money (leasing rates) and i belive that i heard somewhere that ATA found a 767 with PW which will be avaible in the begining of the next year, so this will work well with giving 753 up to CO in the next year. As a person which "love" ATA i hope that there is a reason behind all those recent moves.....  innocent 

User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16872 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7846 times:

This will bring CO's 757-300 fleet up to 21 aircraft.


Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 977 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7808 times:

>> interesting they are moving towards an all 737 fleet....wonder if WN has a hand in this?

They are not moving to an all 737 fleet. They are consolidating their fleet and eliminating their expensive fleet types. The lease rates for some of the 738 and 753 were very expensive, perhaps more expensive than the revenue they were providing, which has promted ATA to reevaluate their fleet assets:

- The 757-200 is still an intergal part of TZ fleet, large numbers of 752 are not likely to be sold/returned.

- In place of 738, TZ has aquired several 733 and are looking at more 737 of various types.

- The 763 and 763ER are being evaluated as a means to further consolidate TZ's fleet. The 767, ideally with RB.211 engines, would integrate well with TZ's 757 fleet and would allow TZ to ditch the aging L1011.


User currently offlineWeb From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 427 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7773 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 16):
- In place of 738, TZ has aquired several 733 and are looking at more 737 of various types.

When are the 738s leaving the fleet? Last time I checked, they were still in the schedule. Or have some already gone? Any idea where they're going (I know they're owned by a leasing company, but who's the next leasee?)?



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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 977 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7754 times:

>> When are the 738s leaving the fleet? Last time I checked, they were still in the schedule. Or have some already gone?

As far as I know, the majority of the 738 are staying put at TZ. A few 738 will (or have already been, I'm not sure) be returned to lessors.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21532 posts, RR: 59
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7699 times:

Wonder if CO would consider swapping some of their leased 733s for leased 738s with ATA in the future.

The delay in losing the last 753s makes sense in light of the 763 rumor. TZ could be on the verge of acquiring more 763s, which would be an even swap pax wise for a 753, with better range for military charter work than the 753s.



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineMX757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 628 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7440 times:

Quoting Tundra767 (Thread starter):
And we have agreed to swap 4 of our 757-300 aircraft with Continental Airlines in return for 4 of their 737-700 aircraft. We will pick up two of the Continental aircraft this fall,

I've seen the exit paperwork for 3 of our 700's. Ship numbers 701, 703, and 704.

CO is getting all 12 of TZ's 757-300's. The first one will be in revenue service with CO in a couple of days.



Quoting N328KF (Reply 7):
Dollars to doughnuts this deal was brokered by Boeing.

You are absolutely right. Boeing is brokering this deal.



Is it broke...? Yeah I'll fix it.
User currently offlineCOEWR From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 273 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7408 times:

I heard the CO 737's were going to WN not TZ...

-C


User currently offlineBrons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3013 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7392 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 16):

- The 763 and 763ER are being evaluated as a means to further consolidate TZ's fleet. The 767, ideally with RB.211 engines, would integrate well with TZ's 757 fleet and would allow TZ to ditch the aging L1011.

Maybe BA would be willing to let go of a few of their RB211 powered 763? I know they were dry-leased to Qantas for a while.



Firings, if well done, are good for employee morale.
User currently offlineMX757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 628 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7384 times:

Quoting COEWR (Reply 21):
I heard the CO 737's were going to WN not TZ...

That's a possibility. All I know is that we are exiting 3 of them.



Is it broke...? Yeah I'll fix it.
User currently offlineBluewave 707 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3152 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7278 times:

Will the swap of TZ's 753s mean a reduction in service to HNL, or to 752s?


"The best use of your life will be to so live your life, that the use of your life will outlive your life" -- D Severn
25 ATA767 : I suspect that you will see more flight out of PHX, like to mexico or SJU. Hawaii flying will see the 737-800 I do not see a reduction in the near fut
26 N1120A : Not all were leased to QF, all are RB211 powered, and BA has stated that they will keep their 763ERs for a while. BTW, does anyone know if these 4 ai
27 Wjcandee : On what planet does the 753 have the same pax load as a 763?
28 LN-MOW : He's actually right .. the 763 in ATA configuration is planned to 248 all-Y seats. The 753 holds 247 in all-Y. This was one of the main obstacles in t
29 Wjcandee : Isn't that pretty light? North American, which is the primary military 767-300ER carrier, gets 266 coach plus 12 biz seats, totalling 278 in its 767-
30 COERJ145 : I wonder if they'll get some ex. DL/AS/HP 732s which are being retired. I really want to fly on a 732 again. My HP experience on one was awsome.
31 Avpilot01 : Not that I don't beleive any of you, however, I was wondering where this official information was coming from??? Originally CO wasn't going to get all
32 Ikramerica : On what planet is it okay to be so rude to make a very minor technical point. The 763 holds a few more pax than a 753 in a 1 class standard seat widt
33 MX757 : The original deal was for CO to take 8 of TZ's 757-300's. But the deal was revised for CO to take all 12 of TZ's aircraft. I've attached some info th
34 Tundra767 : This came from the ATA employee site. Was released by John Graber V.P.
35 Post contains images IAHcsr : Guess which three CO 73G's won't be getting winglets installed ... And guess why Ship 702 won't be the fourth machine going to TZ??
36 Post contains images MX757 : Ok, I give up. Why???
37 A340Spotter : 702 already has winglets installed... 869 should enter revenue service on 9/11 after arriving into IAH from a mx outstation today... JSD
38 Post contains images IAHcsr : That was the plan... I saw a routing for Ship 869 of IAH LAX IAH LAX EWR .. But an hour later it was changed to 'MX IAH' for the 11th. Soooooo.....
39 Dutchjet : CO taking the last of ATA's 753s was expected and discussed for several months - ATA simply does not require the 753s under its new business plan and
40 COEWR : I was told downtown that all the 73G's we are giving up already had the winglet mods done. and just for reference....869 just got out of the paint sh
41 Cory6188 : What routes is CO currently using the 753s on? I can't seem to find too many in the timetable.
42 Post contains images IAHcsr : I will take another look when I get to work, but 869 was showing 'BSMX IAH' for the 11th. I'll see if it has changed. As for the 73Gs, assuming Ships
43 Drerx7 : The 753s are on: IAH-LAX IAH-MSY (suspended for obvious reasons) IAH-SEA IAH-LAS IAH-MCO IAH-SAT (some days) EWR-AUA EWR-LAS CLE-LAS There may be more
44 Dutchjet : Look for new 753 routes to be added for the winter timetable, note that aircraft allocations on CO's winter timetable are still subject to change and
45 COEWR : It will be ready for its run tomorrow. All the final work will be finished tonight. -C
46 Lemurs : I know CLE-SEA had the 753 during the peak summer months last year, and I could have sworn I saw it on the timetable earlier this year as well. True?
47 Post contains images IAHcsr : I hope so... It's un-fly-ability the last two days has caused several Non-On Time flight departures....
48 MX757 : No they are going "as is" to TZ. MCO is installing the on the 700's and they were taken off the schedule to have winglets installed.
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