Lufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3074 posts, RR: 10 Posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5817 times:
I've just had a look on the EK website and they've got a flash
demonstration of the classes on their new 777-300ER's.
What really really surprised me, was the fact these new aircraft did NOT
have the same sleeper flat beds in business class that are used on the mighty
Why the hell not? The 773ER is flying long hauls to places like Sydney and Auckland... routes that you actually do want to get some sleep on. I can understand the standard RR powered 773's flying from Dubai to places like Milan perhaps not requiring them... but for the longer legs East this just doesn't seem good enough? What does everybody think? For me, there would be no way I would purchase a 773ER flight in business given the choice of the A345.
EKGOLD From Australia, joined May 2005, 203 posts, RR: 6 Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5704 times:
J class on the A345 is not a flat bed. Only F has the flat bed on the A345. The seats in the new 773ER are almost identical to the A345, save for the hood over the seat in J and the enclosed suite in F.
Trust me, the J class seat is very comfortable on both aircraft
Intothinair From Germany, joined Mar 2005, 392 posts, RR: 2 Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5446 times:
Interesting here. Seems like EK now has 3 different F classes, and business seems a little like it as well. Changing all the time. I wonder if EK's A380's will have the same F class as on the A345 or 773ER, or another new one.
Apart from that, the F class still looks comfortable on their 773ER, as well as C.
CRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2079 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5026 times:
But EK isn't flying those 773ER on the same ultra-long-hauls that the A345s do. The main purpose of the ER was to be able to take off from DXB fully loaded and fly medium-longhauls. I read that in a magazine some time ago.
Paul From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 374 posts, RR: 4 Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4764 times:
The big armchair C class on the 773ER look remarkably like the First Class on the B772 and A330 they have. The armchair looks great and I think it would be equally as comfy as the flat bed. However the older Business Class with its 47inch seat pitch would seriously put me off flying with Emirates.
And, with the continuing bad repor of F/A service it does not envoke a serious amount of confidence in an airline that prides itself on reputation.
Paul From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 374 posts, RR: 4 Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4687 times:
I think there is way too much hype about them, and clearly I would agree with the comments made by some of you guys. Unless Airlines really make the seats truely flat like BA and South African it is very difficult to sell them as an improvement over the older chairs.
One thing which I have stressed in the past is the oppotunity for airlines that still use the arm chair seat; AA, UA, AC and so on. With extensive seat pitches (55inches or more) the leg rest needs only to be raised/ strengthened up to give the legs the impression that they are being supported and (so knees straight not bent) you are really lying down. The recline on these carriers is suitable but the leg rests seem only to support the legs if you want to read or watch a movie. Not to sleep! I flew with UA (C- Class) last month and the leg rest was just not good enough, however there was plenty of room between the top of my feet and the back of the fully reclined seat infront.
Flat beds are no longer taboo but if airlines ae going to use them. Please install at least the same ones offered on JAL or ANA which I have heard are exemplary.
Lufthansa747 From Philippines, joined exactly 14 years ago today! , 3174 posts, RR: 47 Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4675 times:
Quoting Paul (Reply 13): Flat beds are no longer taboo but if airlines ae going to use them. Please install at least the same ones offered on JAL or ANA which I have heard are exemplary.
JAL and ANA are the same stuff basically as CX and LX. The CX seat felt terrible after a BA longhaul flight in a FLAT bed, at least I kept sliding down all the time. Service obviously made up for that somewhat, but give me the BA flat bed with whatever service over these angled things.
I think only BA/SA/VS/NZ have FLAT business class beds, not sure about Kenya Airways Premier World??
Paul From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 374 posts, RR: 4 Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4474 times:
Well VS/NZ Business Class, if you can call it that. Are truely remarkable prodcuts and offer many advantages normally associated with First Class. It is amazing how those two airlines call their products Business when VS Upper Class prices as of today for a non flexible ticket via their own website would set you back a handsom £4700 rt LHR to SYD.
B707Stu From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 918 posts, RR: 4 Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4310 times:
The angled flat bed are truly awful. I hate the CO Business Elite ones. I came off the aircraft not only tired but with a major wedgy from continually sliding down the seat. I ended up putting and keeping it in the cradle position.
MarshalN From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2005, 1521 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3764 times:
Quoting Paul (Reply 13): I flew with UA (C- Class) last month and the leg rest was just not good enough, however there was plenty of room between the top of my feet and the back of the fully reclined seat infront.
My recent trip with CX in business confirmed the same thing -- I wished the legrest could be raised further to make that horizontal, while I don't mind having a back that was still inclined. That didn't require any more room for the seat and there was definitely enough space for that.