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EK 773ER Business Class Not Enough!  
User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3197 posts, RR: 10
Posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 6715 times:

Hi Everybody

I've just had a look on the EK website and they've got a flash
demonstration of the classes on their new 777-300ER's.

What really really surprised me, was the fact these new aircraft did NOT
have the same sleeper flat beds in business class that are used on the mighty
A345.

Why the hell not? The 773ER is flying long hauls to places like Sydney and Auckland... routes that you actually do want to get some sleep on. I can understand the standard RR powered 773's flying from Dubai to places like Milan perhaps not requiring them... but for the longer legs East this just doesn't seem good enough? What does everybody think? For me, there would be no way I would purchase a 773ER flight in business given the choice of the A345.

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User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6659 times:

Do the business class seats on the A340-500 recline all the way? There is one photo that shows a man sleeping and the seat does not seem to be reclined all the way.

The first class on the B777-300ER looks pretty nice though! Even though you are not in your own little compartment.

[Edited 2005-09-08 07:17:14]


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User currently offlineEKGOLD From Australia, joined May 2005, 207 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6602 times:

J class on the A345 is not a flat bed. Only F has the flat bed on the A345. The seats in the new 773ER are almost identical to the A345, save for the hood over the seat in J and the enclosed suite in F.

Trust me, the J class seat is very comfortable on both aircraft  zzz 


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21416 posts, RR: 60
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6591 times:

Quoting EKGOLD (Reply 2):
Trust me, the J class seat is very comfortable on both aircraft

I'll take a 160 degree cradle over an inclined flat seat any day. Of course the real flat beds in first are the mac daddy and the daddy mac.



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User currently offlineIntothinair From Germany, joined Mar 2005, 392 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6344 times:

Interesting here. Seems like EK now has 3 different F classes, and business seems a little like it as well. Changing all the time. I wonder if EK's A380's will have the same F class as on the A345 or 773ER, or another new one.
Apart from that, the F class still looks comfortable on their 773ER, as well as C.

Cheers, Konstantin G.


User currently offlineRichard28 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 1595 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6058 times:

Quoting EKGOLD (Reply 2):
The seats in the new 773ER are almost identical to the A345

They look very different to me

for a start they are all leather on the A345


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User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5984 times:

Quoting Richard28 (Reply 5):
They look very different to me

for a start they are all leather on the A345

Those are the first class seats.



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User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2152 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5924 times:
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But EK isn't flying those 773ER on the same ultra-long-hauls that the A345s do. The main purpose of the ER was to be able to take off from DXB fully loaded and fly medium-longhauls. I read that in a magazine some time ago.


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User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5840 times:

From looking at Emirates schedules it appears that the B777-300ER will not be flying to Australia in the summer, the A340-500 will.


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User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 43
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5748 times:

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 8):
From looking at Emirates schedules it appears that the B777-300ER will not be flying to Australia in the summer, the A340-500 will.

77W flies at least the DXB-BKK-SYD-AKL.



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User currently offlinePaul From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 374 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5662 times:

The big armchair C class on the 773ER look remarkably like the First Class on the B772 and A330 they have. The armchair looks great and I think it would be equally as comfy as the flat bed. However the older Business Class with its 47inch seat pitch would seriously put me off flying with Emirates.

And, with the continuing bad repor of F/A service it does not envoke a serious amount of confidence in an airline that prides itself on reputation.

Paul



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User currently offlineSllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5662 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 3):
I'll take a 160 degree cradle over an inclined flat seat any day. Of course the real flat beds in first are the mac daddy and the daddy mac.

I have to agree. For me, every "sorta" flat bed (bed on a slant, etc) has been far less comfortable that a cradling type seat.

Now, MH F seats...yeah, those work  Smile

But as far as flat "light" beds, they should all be tossed away as junk.

Steve


User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 43
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5641 times:

Quoting Sllevin (Reply 11):
But as far as flat "light" beds, they should all be tossed away as junk.

Couldn't have said it better myself.



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User currently offlinePaul From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 374 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5585 times:

I think there is way too much hype about them, and clearly I would agree with the comments made by some of you guys. Unless Airlines really make the seats truely flat like BA and South African it is very difficult to sell them as an improvement over the older chairs.

One thing which I have stressed in the past is the oppotunity for airlines that still use the arm chair seat; AA, UA, AC and so on. With extensive seat pitches (55inches or more) the leg rest needs only to be raised/ strengthened up to give the legs the impression that they are being supported and (so knees straight not bent) you are really lying down. The recline on these carriers is suitable but the leg rests seem only to support the legs if you want to read or watch a movie. Not to sleep! I flew with UA (C- Class) last month and the leg rest was just not good enough, however there was plenty of room between the top of my feet and the back of the fully reclined seat infront.

Flat beds are no longer taboo but if airlines ae going to use them. Please install at least the same ones offered on JAL or ANA which I have heard are exemplary.

Paul



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User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 43
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5573 times:

Quoting Paul (Reply 13):
Flat beds are no longer taboo but if airlines ae going to use them. Please install at least the same ones offered on JAL or ANA which I have heard are exemplary.

JAL and ANA are the same stuff basically as CX and LX. The CX seat felt terrible after a BA longhaul flight in a FLAT bed, at least I kept sliding down all the time. Service obviously made up for that somewhat, but give me the BA flat bed with whatever service over these angled things.

I think only BA/SA/VS/NZ have FLAT business class beds, not sure about Kenya Airways Premier World??



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User currently offlineMeafly From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 30 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5476 times:

BA's first class flatbed is da bomb!

User currently offlinePaul From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 374 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5372 times:

Well VS/NZ Business Class, if you can call it that. Are truely remarkable prodcuts and offer many advantages normally associated with First Class. It is amazing how those two airlines call their products Business when VS Upper Class prices as of today for a non flexible ticket via their own website would set you back a handsom £4700 rt LHR to SYD.

Plexing.

Paul



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User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 43
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5325 times:

Quoting Paul (Reply 16):
Well VS/NZ Business Class, if you can call it that.

While I agree they are better than usual business, they are still priced at business class levels. BA C to SYD probably prices at close to GBP 4700 as well.



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User currently offlineB707Stu From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 918 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5208 times:

The angled flat bed are truly awful. I hate the CO Business Elite ones. I came off the aircraft not only tired but with a major wedgy from continually sliding down the seat. I ended up putting and keeping it in the cradle position.

User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3432 posts, RR: 26
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4972 times:
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Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 14):
I think only BA/SA/VS/NZ have FLAT business class beds

SA's J-class flatbeds on the B744's are pure heaven. IMO even more comfortable than the award winning A343 and A346 flatbeds.


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User currently offlineMarshalN From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2005, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4662 times:

Quoting Paul (Reply 13):
I flew with UA (C- Class) last month and the leg rest was just not good enough, however there was plenty of room between the top of my feet and the back of the fully reclined seat infront.

My recent trip with CX in business confirmed the same thing -- I wished the legrest could be raised further to make that horizontal, while I don't mind having a back that was still inclined. That didn't require any more room for the seat and there was definitely enough space for that.


User currently offlineBA380 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1466 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4618 times:

the BA flatbed is superb. I still haven't tried a an angle-flat bed, but using the AA J product recently was awful compred to the private, flat BA J product


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User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4570 times:

I meant to say Summer schedule, sorry about that.


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User currently offlineFlydubai From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4537 times:

BA, SA, VS business class:

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EK business class (777,332):

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I know which one I'd prefer.  
You can also check out the Business class photo album I set up.

flydubai

[Edited 2005-09-08 22:53:20]

User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 43
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4513 times:

Ek 772/773/332 is terrible business class. No way around that.


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25 BA380 : isn't EK's J pitch like 21"!?!?
26 Post contains images Flydubai : Its not quite that bad! flydubai
27 Lufthansa747 : EK J is about 47" What C had about 10 years ago.
28 MaverickM11 : Where is the flash site regarding the 77W on the emirates site? I can't find it!
29 HZ747300 : Not perfect when you are trying to light a shoe bomb without being hassled by some pesky flight attendant. BA business class bed was great JFK-LHR!
30 Ikramerica : CO BF on the 777 is like that, not on the 767 and 757. Having just flown both the 777 and 757, I prefer the 757, which I understand is the old Busine
31 BA380 : Flydubai - I was joking, but at 47" (I thought 48", but there ya go), it is poor. AA is 60", UA is 55", BA and VS are flat beds with 6ft+ legroom, so
32 LHB727230Adv : Hold on, is that for the 773/772/332/343, or also for the 773ER. I couldn't imagine so. Flying from DXB-BKK-SYD in J with 47 inch pitch. Surely the 7
33 Flydubai : 47' pitch is for the 332/772/773 not the 773ER. That has up to 60' pitch for long hall. flydubai
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