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BMI To Get A Leased 767?  
User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24913 posts, RR: 56
Posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4271 times:

According to a thread on Pprune
Apparently BMI will replace one of the A330s at MAN with a leased 767. The A330 will move down to LHR...
Seems that BMI are now doing a BA and shall soon be renamed LMI (London Midand International)  Yeah sure


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User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6688 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4249 times:

Perhaps they'll get the BA one (G-BNWH) when the lease runs out.


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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24913 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4238 times:

I would suspect it'll probably be an Icelandair example.


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User currently offlineAirplanepics From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2730 posts, RR: 41
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4234 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 2):
I would suspect it'll probably be an Icelandair example.

Yay! Another half painted Iclenadair Hybrid!



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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24913 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4231 times:

And yet another costly fleet type added  Wink


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User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4670 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4180 times:

Aren't the 757 and 767 in this case from Icelandair (or wichever icelandic company) AMCI-leases? (Aircraft, Maintenance, Crew, Insurance) and thus the carrier only has to provide the pax+cargo. Thus they pay a bit more for the lease, but they don't add another fleet type.


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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4088 times:

Blimey tha's a surprise.

The surprise being they're actually replacing the A330s rather than just moving them and abandoning the long haul out of MAN  Wink

Unless they do a repeat of their IAD fiasco, where they do this until pulling the route althogether.

I take it the 767 will lose the premium economy product too......



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4060 times:

BD seems to be doing rather well on their MAN-ORD route, even though they have some competition with AA, BA, and PK(which is only 2x/weekly and will be going down to 1x/weekly during the winter period)..no reason for them to pull it off..as they have Star Alliance Partner UA there for all other onward connections!


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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4047 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 7):
no reason for them to pull it off..as they have Star Alliance Partner UA there for all other onward connections!

You're right. There is no GOOD reason for them to pull off the route. But as any UK A.netter wil ltell you , this is BMI we're talking about here. Good logic doesn't seem to come into many of their decisions of late  Wink

You also have to understand their mentality of building a long haul network out of LHR at ALL costs.



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User currently offlineYak97 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 118 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4018 times:
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This wouldn't be the Flyjet aircraft by any chance????

User currently offlineZkojh From China, joined Sep 2004, 1661 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4013 times:

Are BD going thru all plane's from both A and B!!??!!

Why not just stick too one sorce, not is if they have the money to keep switching between aircraft types, Im all up for them moving the last A330 down to London , which will let the go daily to India, tho they need to keep a min of 2 aircraft at MAN, to keep the longhaul going from MAN,
however was BD not ment to be getting another A330 from EK?? what ever happened to that,
Why don't they just go for a couple of T7's now that might look good at MAN. the thing about BD is there trying to fly the world, and don't have the aircraft to do it with!!



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User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3998 times:

BD need to get their act together, and soon.

I'm now switching my USA long hauls back to UA at LHR, at least I know what im getting with them  Smile



Lee



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User currently offlineMhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3896 times:

Why do they need another A330 at LHR? How many more routes do they have?

They never cease to amaze me. At first it seemed like a mistake, all these misguided strategies. Now it's almost as though it's part of their business plan!



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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24913 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3883 times:

London - Centre of the Universe  Yeah sure


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User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3865 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Thread starter):
Apparently BMI will replace one of the A330s at MAN with a leased 767

And simultaneously BMI will lose its important Premium traffic loyal customer base at MAN. If this is a prelude to BMI leaving MAN, then to be honest, good riddance to them.

Quoting Cornish (Reply 8):
Good logic doesn't seem to come into many of their decisions of late

Replace the word 'many' with 'any'

7LBAC111



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User currently offlineConcorde001 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1230 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3802 times:

Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 12):
Why do they need another A330 at LHR? How many more routes do they have?

Read the "New ASA between UK and India greed -even More Flights" and you will see that BD is getting ready for flights to BOM and India! Well that is my analysis - the new agreement triples the amount of flights and BD wants to take advantage. Unfortunately, I think BD will probably pull out of MAN by next year as Inidan and British Ministers have suggested that an agreement next year will double the current agreement on flights! A real shame as I think MAN has potential!


User currently offlinePurpleBox From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 325 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3490 times:

Why can't BMI increase their fleet with more 332's and keep the business at MAN while still trying to establish non US routes at LHR?

I've used the IAD/ORD flights from MAN many times and there a cut above the others - they are successful so why not use this success as a building block for expansion?

PurpleBox.



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User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3319 times:

Quoting PurpleBox (Reply 16):
they are successful so why not use this success as a building block for expansion?

Because BMI simply dont understand basic business practise, or customer loyalty

7LBAC111



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User currently offlineEgmcman From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 898 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3277 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 13):
London - Centre of the Universe

It's BMI's decision at the of day even though they have made some strange decisions lately their Headquarters is in Castle Donnington. You forget London is the main centre of business in the UK.

Quoting Yak97 (Reply 9):
This wouldn't be the Flyjet aircraft by any chance????

Hi welcome to the discussion. In answer your question no as they only operate 757's.

cheers


User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3230 times:

Quoting PurpleBox (Reply 16):
Why can't BMI increase their fleet with more 332's and keep the business at MAN while still trying to establish non US routes at LHR?

Because it would cost them money!



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User currently offlineCalAir From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 298 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3203 times:

Actually EGMCman FJE have a former government a/c on order coming soon. A 767-200ER. All I can say is I hope they dont lease it from them, FJE aren't renouned for looking after their planes.


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User currently offlineEgmcman From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 898 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3163 times:

Quoting CalAir (Reply 20):
Actually EGMCman FJE have a former government a/c on order coming soon. A 767-200ER. All I can say is I hope they dont lease it from them, FJE aren't renowned for looking after their planes.

Thanks for that info, who does their aircraft engineering?

cheers


User currently offlineCol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2094 posts, RR: 22
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3144 times:

Another nail in the coffin of BMI at MAN. So we are down to CO and the 762, and US with the 333. The rest of the offerings for keeping you occupied is poor. Can BMI sink any lower into the stupidity barrel, my guess is - Oh yes!

User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3120 times:

Quoting Col (Reply 22):
Can BMI sink any lower into the stupidity barrel, my guess is - Oh yes!

its a shame though isn't it. BMI no longer surprise us. Hopefully VS will expand their services (as rumoured) at MAN, so that the North West retains and develops more Long Haul traffic.

7LBAC111



Debate is what you put on de hook when you want to catch de fish.
User currently offlinePurpleBox From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 325 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3117 times:

Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 19):
Because it would cost them money!

Without spending some money and being bold they won't ever get out of the current downward spiral.

PurpleBox.



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25 Planesarecool : Agreed 100%. London is the capital, so it only makes sense to move aircraft there if there is demand there. And with additional Mumbai flights and th
26 Post contains images Jacobin777 :
27 Dutchjet : BMI continues to be full of surprises - anything is possible. On a serious note, for some "niche" longhaul routes, the A332 is too much aircraft and a
28 Post contains images Gilesdavies : STOP PRESS! BMI have decided to transfer their whole A330 fleet to LTN and will be operating their US flights from there as a way to over come the Bem
29 Gkirk : No offence to Indians, but how is London-India High yield? One would think it would mostly be people imiigrating/emmigrating between UK/India i.e. che
30 Shamrock_747 : Whilst there is a fair amount of discounted economy VFR traffic on LON-BOM/DEL/MAA, Club and FIRST do very well and often have high volumes of full f
31 Concorde001 : London - India is very high yield. It was always the case pre 2000 when only AI and BA were only allowed to fly between the two cities direct - massi
32 David_itl : Why aren't you demanding that ALL regional routes are pulled from all airlines as there will ALWAYS be bigger demand from London? BD is going to be a
33 Planesarecool : British Airways operated 4 weekly flights to Riyadh and 4 to Jeddah. They couldn't FILL planes, so that factor as well as the heightened security con
34 Demoose : This is bmi we are talking about, their track record would suggest otherwise.
35 Flybmi330 : I was at the meeting on thursday morning in Manchester. Nigel Turner confirmed there are NO more 330s on order, and if bmi did order one, the earlies
36 Planesarecool : I guess thats because ORD is a business route, and there are many codeshare flights to get there via Heathrow. AA have their code on almost all BA fli
37 AAmd11 : I'm sure BA's 763s are all owned, not leased.
38 Richard28 : ooo! that does suggest that management see the non A330 longhaul flights as inferior (just like the BD pax apparently!)
39 Gkirk : Planesarecool: EDI-EWR GLA-EWR GLA-ORD GLA-PHL MAN-ORD MAN-etc Every non London route should be pulled? Guess what, everyone outside of London hates u
40 Planesarecool : What the hell are you talking about? Try reading what i said again, nothing to do with non London routes being pulled. I say that maybe it isn't a "b
41 A340600 : Another loopy jump further into madness for BMI then. All of BA's 767's are fully-owned What?! BMI actually say, 'we don't want to ruin that route' as
42 Dutchjet : It is so odd that many (including some of BMI's managment) blame the failure of the MAN-IAD route on the downgrade from the A332 to the 757 - it simpl
43 ZSOFN : Such a shame. BMI could've been such an asset to MAN. What with BA withdrawing services there as well, is there something we don't know? It makes litt
44 HiJazzey : LHR-RUH is a promising route for BMI. The yield is high, as it is a business destination, and there's LOTS of demand. For example, a friend of mine, w
45 UK_Dispatcher : Just a rumour, but bmi may be looking at JED, I heard from a source....
46 Tartan : Does anyone know when this will happen?
47 Jacobin777 : anyone know which routes BA is pulling off from MAN? I know...BD could have made MAN into their fortress and offered MANY routes off of there..like a
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