Ouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3999 posts, RR: 23 Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3192 times:
I really hope AirTran can succeed in CAK. I mean...over the years they've seen pulls out such as puddle jumpers to CLE and service to PIT. CAK seems to be a very high risk airport to put in any new traffic.
TOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3220 posts, RR: 4 Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3058 times:
Quoting Ouboy79 (Reply 1): I really hope AirTran can succeed in CAK.
Huh? They've been succeeding there for years now. Both the original AirTran and ValuJet served CAK. Since the merger between the 2, FL has grown from 3xATL and 1XMCO. Depending on season FL offers up to 5xATL now. The 1xMCO is still there as well.
LGA started with a federal grant, from what I heard from CAK officials, they hardly drew on the grant at all, and quickly added a third daily flight to take some of the load pressure off the other 2. When I fly to LGA, even the midday flight has heavy loads. The TPA service started as weekends only, but advance bookings were so heavy that it went daily before the service even started. BOS came next, takes a lot of biz traffic away from CO (Expressjet) and their high business fares.
FLL on weekends must be doing okay, but not great, otherwise other days would be added. F9 came in with DEN service and easy connections to LAS, so FL jumped in with 5x daily service. Haven't heard how its doing, but I suspect it's doing well. I never could figure out why FLL was added before RSW. There are so many snowbirds in the Ft. Myers/Naples area, I wouldn't be surprised to see it go year round very quickly.
Compared to other FL stations in markets the size of CAK itself, I'd say FL corporate is VERY satisfied with the stations performance!
Ouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3999 posts, RR: 23 Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2969 times:
::slams head on desk::
Please note the faces at the end of my comment.
Any opinion/comment posted is that of my own and not that of Southwest Airlines Co.
Copaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2930 times:
It would be so tight for there to be a CAK-SFO non-stop on either FL or F9. I got a bunch of family in CAK (Youngstown and Akron), so a n/s out of SFO would be really awesome.
727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5722 posts, RR: 20 Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2905 times:
Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 2): FLL on weekends must be doing okay, but not great, otherwise other days would be added. F9 came in with DEN service and easy connections to LAS, so FL jumped in with 5x daily service.
AirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2892 times:
I guess Airtran was lucky to find such a customer base in Ohio for Florida flights. The flight looks like it will be served with 737s, any one know when the first set of winglets will be fitted on the 737s this month?
D L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 10561 posts, RR: 53 Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2862 times:
I wonder how much the government is helping them (Airtran and CAK) to pay for this flight.
TOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3220 posts, RR: 4 Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2860 times:
Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 5): Airtran has 5 nonstops daily CAK-LAS?????
You obviously have no idea how much NE Ohioans love to gamble. We just don't want it in our own state.
But seriously, should have been 5 time a week on the CAK-LAS service.
717-200 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 601 posts, RR: 3 Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2794 times:
In this month's AirTransport World in an article on AirTran, Joe Leonard
talks about how CAK runs 11-12 flights a day out of one gate. Is this
possible or does FL have another gate or hardstand area at CAK they
can use in case of MX, diversions, delays and other fun IROP situations?
GoCOgo From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 701 posts, RR: 2 Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2771 times:
Quoting D L X (Reply 7): I wonder how much the government is helping them (Airtran and CAK) to pay for this flight.
Actually, it's more than likely CAK helping Airtran. Perhaps a response to CLE finally beginning to fight back with some ads of their own?
"Why you fly is your business, how you fly is ours"
Ouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3999 posts, RR: 23 Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2714 times:
Quoting GoCOgo (Reply 10): Actually, it's more than likely CAK helping Airtran. Perhaps a response to CLE finally beginning to fight back with some ads of their own?
The AirTran growth was spurred by a SCASD grant a few years back to bring LGA service. The market took off and FL has been taking full advantage of it.
Any opinion/comment posted is that of my own and not that of Southwest Airlines Co.
AS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 5820 posts, RR: 23 Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2678 times:
DLX, why would there be goverment money to start CAK-RSW? Its served via ATL as well not to mention other airlines. RSW is not some underserved airport with 2 B1900 daily.
Well interesting that leonard would say 11-12 daily flights from CAK from 1 gate. Ive seen them occupy 3 gates at the same time. But daily they use at least 2 gates. With the start of RSW I think FL will have 5 planes RON'ing at CAK 5 days of the week. 3-717 for ATL/BOS/LGA and 2 737 for RSW/LAS. CAK is getting very impressive at night when you seen 4-5 planes remotly parked due to the high RON counts.
Anyone know if FL has mechanics in Canton for over-night checks?
ASSFO
"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
N766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 7992 posts, RR: 27 Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2658 times:
Quoting 717-200 (Reply 9): Is this
possible or does FL have another gate or hardstand area at CAK they
can use in case of MX, diversions, delays and other fun IROP situations?
FL uses 4 gates and 1 hardstand at CAK overnight and 3-4 gates in the morning.
AS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 5820 posts, RR: 23 Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2648 times:
N766UA, what's 4 gates does FL use overnight? If I remember correctly there are 5 jetways with 4 that can accommodate FL type A/C. F9 and DL use 2 of them overnight leaving 2 jetways for FL, gates 7-8 I think. Gate 4 if F9 and Gate 5 or 6 is DL.
ASSFO
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