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JetBlue Making IAD A West Coast Focus City?  
User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2992 posts, RR: 14
Posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3839 times:

With FlyI cutting or having already cut SJC, SAN and LAX, does JetBlue have a chance at making IAD a decent-sized focus city for flights to the West? They already run 4x (3x/winter) to LGB, 3x (2x/winter) to OAK, and 1x to SAN and SMF.

The three Cali routes were cut due to a combination of low yields, high landing fees, and high fuel prices. I don't see why LAS, SEA and SFO should bypass these reasons. JetBlue certainly has better yield management (no initiation of $69 fares to the West), so I see them being able to make these routes a success.

So, in other words, can JetBlue make IAD a decent-sized operator for flights to the West? I certainly see them adding flights to BUR, SJC, and SEA and LAS if FlyI drops those too.

I appreciate any thoughts.

JetBluefan1


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User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3529 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3805 times:

haha, with your title i thought you were implying that IAD was on the west coast...

JetBlue possibly could open it up for west coast pax at IAD, but United has the monopoly on most of the west coast routes out of IAD, with non stops to all the aforementioned cities, at a relatively high freq (more than once/day). it would be somewhat difficult for them to break into that market with United's presence the way it is at IAD without drastically lower fares (like Indy Air tried to do...)



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User currently offlineJetBlueAtJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1687 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3776 times:

I don't know about a big focus city but if they do it how they normally do, and first start with a red-eye to LAS, SEA, and SJC and then build from there. I could see LAS going up to 2X if they do well and the other staying at 1X for a while and eventually up SJC to 2X. All depends on how hard UA will fight them on the routes and how many people choose Blue.

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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26601 posts, RR: 75
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3742 times:

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Thread starter):
The three Cali routes were cut due to a combination of low yields, high landing fees, and high fuel prices.

No, that is why Indy said they were cut. The real reason they were cut is because Indy has in insanely high CASM and cannot make money on anything.



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User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4050 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3727 times:
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INDY is dropping or already has dropped SJC.

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User currently offlineFA4B6 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3600 times:

I could see B6 starting IAD-BUR and maybe IAD-SJC. I could also see IAD-PDX too, and adding a second IAD-SAN.

User currently offlineJeckPDX From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 255 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3563 times:

I have heard talk of IAD-SEA and IAD-PDX red-eyes possibly in the works. Nothing set in stone, but a good indication to go by. This would further utilize the a/c sitting overnight in IAD. Just what I've overheard from senior mgmt here in PDX, so it may just be wishful thinking. Only time will tell on this one.

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User currently offlineFlyibaby From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1017 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3550 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 3):
No, that is why Indy said they were cut. The real reason they were cut is because Indy has in insanely high CASM and cannot make money on anything.

So you are implying that their are not outrageously expensive fuel prices, that they west coast is cheap to fly to, and people are willing to pay top dollar to fly? C'mon, get a clue.

B6 should start these routes because there is demand for them, at a low fare, which they can provide. DH averaged about $110.00 each way not including tax which could be feasible since B6 is hedged well, UA isn't, B6 already has good name recogintion in the west, DH didn't, and already have their own ground crews in these citys, so they wouldn't really have any additional costs in those cities.


User currently offlineOurboeing From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 475 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3411 times:

I wonder why they didn't consider BWI. Its cheaper to operate out of than IAD and Reagan and I live only 20 minutes from it Smile

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User currently offlineCORULEZ05 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3383 times:

Quoting Ourboeing (Reply 8):
I wonder why they didn't consider BWI

Not a bad idea...give WN a run for their money. WN definetly wouldnt be happy with this move since they know B6 offers MUCH better service than they do......

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 1):
United has the monopoly on most of the west coast routes out of IAD, with non stops to all the aforementioned cities, at a relatively high freq (more than once/day). it would be somewhat difficult for them to break into that market with United's presence the way it is at IAD without drastically lower fares (like Indy Air tried to do...)

If jetBlue did make IAD a focus city, it won't take long before people start to realize how much better jetBlue's service is compared to United. And sooner than later, you'll have United operating international flights out of IAD only.........


User currently offlineStevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3339 times:

Quoting JeckPDX (Reply 6):
I have heard talk of IAD-SEA

Three carriers to IAD? UA, AS, and B6? DH flies here now, but for how much longer, I don't know. UA routes people to IAD for international connections, plus handles ground service for B6 in SEA and PDX. I also believe that AS would fight B6 very intensely for IAD flights, since it has a few nonstops there, plus to DCA as well.

PDX on the other hand could be interesting.


User currently offlineETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3200 times:

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Thread starter):

The three Cali routes were cut due to a combination of low yields, high landing fees, and high fuel prices. I don't see why LAS, SEA and SFO should bypass these reasons. JetBlue certainly has better yield management (no initiation of $69 fares to the West), so I see them being able to make these routes a success.

I tell ya, if B6 goes IAD-SEA, I will be sure to make it on their flight during my next run to the east coast. They announced BOS-SEA the other day, which is a great start!

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Thread starter):

So, in other words, can JetBlue make IAD a decent-sized operator for flights to the West? I certainly see them adding flights to BUR, SJC, and SEA and LAS if FlyI drops those too.

Why BUR or ONT? Is it just me or are these cities not too close to LGB? Or is this in response to maxed out operations at LGB? Gawd, the day B6 becomes a major player along the west coast routes (ie LGB-SEA et al)...

Quoting Ourboeing (Reply 8):

I wonder why they didn't consider BWI. Its cheaper to operate out of than IAD and Reagan and I live only 20 minutes from it Smile

B6 in my eyes has a better product than WN. However, while it may still attract WN pax, the competition may just be too much since BWI is a huge city for WN.


User currently offlinePyroGX41487 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 280 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3001 times:

Quoting CORULEZ05 (Reply 9):
Not a bad idea...give WN a run for their money. WN definetly wouldnt be happy with this move since they know B6 offers MUCH better service than they do......

Speaking from experience, DAMN STRAIGHT.


User currently offlineQXFLYINGCOUG From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2814 times:

It'd be cool to have a new B6 destination from SEA... I'd rather see LGB than IAD though... like some California destinations because I'd choose them over AS and WN any day!


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User currently offlineLindy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2808 times:

I always thought that red eye flight can originate on the west coast only, not the other way.

Rafal


User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2795 times:

Quoting Lindy (Reply 14):
I always thought that red eye flight can originate on the west coast only, not the other way.

Quite true. However, the plane has to positioned to the West Coast, usually with an evening flight. Then, the flight back would be a redeye.



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