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User currently offlineBHXDTW From Eritrea, joined Feb 2005, 1090 posts, RR: 5
Posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5040 times:

Does anyone know what the next transatlantic link is going to be ?
what do you think is going to be the next US gateway to be opened up to Europe / Africa ??
The usual suspects being NYC/LAX/ORD/BOS and I guess MIA and IAD to a degree but thinking in the future, do you ever think we'll see a direct link say from St Louis for example again.. or how about other smaller US / Canadian cities ??
Just a topic I thought might be of some interest... also is Charlotte served direct into LGW still with US ?
Im always interested in route networks.. Id like to hear your ideas..

Jordan

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User currently offlineB6sea From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5024 times:

Well, some of this may be wishful thinking but I've always thought that SEA would be the next city to be opened up to europe flights. Also I think once someone acquires the 787 or A350 you will see a lot more opening up of secondary US/Canadian cities to europe.

-Chans


User currently offlineBHXDTW From Eritrea, joined Feb 2005, 1090 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5004 times:

do you ever think BA will ever return to some of its former US routes .. It once served FNT !! and thats just down the road from DTW !!

User currently offlineKomododx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4989 times:

BA to FNT?

Wow... that's a bit hard to believe.

SEA could have new trans-Atlantic service. MIA will open up more too.

Stefano  wave 


User currently offlineZrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3165 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4965 times:

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 2):
It once served FNT !! and thats just down the road from DTW !!

Flint? Via metal or code-share?



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User currently offlineBHXDTW From Eritrea, joined Feb 2005, 1090 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4965 times:

Im pretty sure FNT was served direct... anyone else know ??
It was around '98 ?... served actually I believe with a 744... I hope Im not wrong... the thought of BA sending a 744 into bishop is awesome !!!
See I would love to have seen New Orleans served direct or Fort Lauderdale..
San Antonio for instance, you get the idea.. Big cities in their own right but not big in transatlantic terms...


User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3767 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4958 times:

Quoting Komododx (Reply 3):

SEA could have new trans-Atlantic service

I agree, I think VS should make a move on the LHR-SEA route, only BA currently operates a Daily 744 on this route!

I'm still wishing for a British Carrier to return to SAN!  Sad

Rob!  Smile


User currently offlineKomododx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4952 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 6):
I'm still wishing for a British Carrier to return to SAN!

Has BA showed any interest in re-instating the route?

Stefano  wave 


User currently offlineBHXDTW From Eritrea, joined Feb 2005, 1090 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4938 times:

SAN DIEGO !! ... AHHH ONCE FOUND BE GERMAN EXPLORERS... IT MEANS:...
hehe gotta lurve Ron Burgundy.
didnt BA use DC-10's on this route once ? also they served Phoenix with them too I believe,..


User currently offlineB6sea From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4948 times:

I thought about this more and I think that my SEA response is only partly true, in the sense that SEA is actually quite well served to europe. I mean, we have SAS, Aeroflot, NW and BA instead of the conventional BA LH and AF assortment. But I can still see someone from skyteam starting a CDG flight and an FRA flight with LH, the PDX flight, I believe, is mostly O&D so that wouldnt really factor in and flights to YVR are damn expensive.

-Chans


User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3767 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4879 times:

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 8):
didnt BA use DC-10's on this route once ? also they served Phoenix with them too I believe,..

Yes SAN was served with DC-10's, 772's and 744's!

The 772's were initaly from LGW before being transfered to LHR!

The 744's were an additon to the PHX flights!


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I really miss BA at SAN!  Sad

Quoting Komododx (Reply 7):
Has BA showed any interest in re-instating the route?

Not sure, although VS has! (But a VS 343 couldnt land at SAN, and a 744 would be too large for a daily service!)

Rob!  Smile


User currently offlineCrownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1899 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4646 times:

I highly doubt that FNT was ever served by BA because the Bermuda II would never have allowed it. Is it possible you saw or heard about a DTW diversion that is confusing you???

User currently offlineBHXDTW From Eritrea, joined Feb 2005, 1090 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4544 times:

Quoting Crownvic (Reply 11):
I highly doubt that FNT was ever served by BA because the Bermuda II would never have allowed it. Is it possible you saw or heard about a DTW diversion that is confusing you???

No it was in their timetable.... with a '0' where it usually shows if a change of acft is needed...
Anyone else know ??


User currently offlineCOSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1619 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4528 times:

CO EWR-DEL 1 NOV....

User currently offlineGLAGAZ From UK - Scotland, joined Feb 2004, 1983 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4545 times:

Well BAA GLA will meet with AA in Copenhagen to discuss new routes shortly, BOS and JFK most likely as I can't see them sending another 763 from MIA.

Gaz



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User currently offlineChrista From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4508 times:

Maybe AA operating CWL-JFK...

Regards,
Chris


User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6465 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4482 times:

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 12):
No it was in their timetable.... with a '0' where it usually shows if a change of acft is needed...
Anyone else know ??

I really doubt that BA ever served FNT. What timetable are you talking about. Please show us.


User currently offlineBHXDTW From Eritrea, joined Feb 2005, 1090 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4423 times:

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 16):
I really doubt that BA ever served FNT. What timetable are you talking about. Please show us.

I have it no longer.. but im going to do some research and as soon as I do I will post it !... Maybe I was wrong but Im going to dig around a bit !!


User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4459 times:

British Airways has NEVER served Flint Michigan.

If a British Airways aircraft was there, it was either one of two things, a diversion or a charter.
If the flight was shown in the timetable, it was certainly a mistake. They do happen!

So back to the topic.
Are we talking about "US" as in USAirways, or "US" as in the U.S.A.?

If we're talking about the airline, don't expect anything other than transAtlantic growth from PHL.

If we're talking about the nation, does a market exist to Europe that is not already being served?
The nation's airlines are rationalizing networks, not expanding them.
So that leaves international carriers.

DFW. I would love to see the new terrminal filled up...but I am not so sure that will happen as soon as I'd like it. The SkyTeam powerhouse 250 miles south of there steals a lot of DFW's thunder....textbook study of what happens when airport's hitch their wagon to the fortunes of one airline.
Nothing wrong with that, but any international growth from DFW will be by AA, and that will not be happening anytime soon.

SFO. I wonder how the new breed of long-range/medium capacity aircraft will play into SFO's future European connections. (787/350)
Whatever the route, it will need to be a strong O/D market, as connectivity is limited.
Can we expect to see Madrid, Moscow, Manchester and Milan in the future?; it would sure be nice, but I'm not holding my breath.

MSY. A popular target of speculation before the hurricane. It will all depend on how the Crescent City is re-built....Can it be made into an even better tourist destination?

BOS. Most inconsistent international gateway in North America...."Now you see it, now you don't" type of thing. Since BOS is a hub for no one really, routes are stated by airlines with hubs elsewhere, the BOS flights then must exist on their own O/D only with little or support or feed from the greater network....so ultimately, these routes fail.

ORF. I wonder....If fares were ridiculously low, could they draw from the hinterland? But other equally as large places exist without transAtlantic flights..JAX, CMH, MKE, MCI, STL, BUF, SAT, so on and so on....so what makess ORF special? I don't know, just a gut feeling. 10-15 years from now.

PDX. This seems to be a favorite of the fantasy crowd. What happens in PDX has a lot to do with what happens up the road in SEA....will fees divert growth to PDX? Probably not as much as the Port of Portland would like. Could PDX support LHR/LGW, AMS, CDG? Maybe not all at once, but rather one at a time...so of the three, London is the choice of locals, but I am leaning to AMS, within 24-30 months.

High-Density/Long-Range.
Popular in Europe, not so much in the USA.
Even Canada has Zoom.
Right now, SFB is the primary point in the USA for such airlines....once in awhile there is an LTU service to LAX, Corsair/Martinair did their thing to OAK once upon a time, Icelandair and their niche is landing at SFO, for now...but for the most part, transAtlantic is the domain of the US Legacies and European Flag Carriers.
If the trend matures in the US, I think beyond SFB, BWI and OAK make great choices. I have also wondered about ONT.....would someone drive inland to board a 767 packed with 250 seats for a 12-hour flight to STN...all in the name of saving $300-$500 per ticket?

Too bad DFW is so expensive, because it's central location would be great for such "public-charte" type services.



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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6126 posts, RR: 23
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4349 times:

SFO-INDIA via a European city must be on the horizon. Air India or Jet maybe, my guess being AI.

ASSFO



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User currently offlineGeorgiabill From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 580 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4350 times:
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Rumored but not offical yet BOS-MAD on IB! I also think BOS-PIK would work especially summer season. More BOS-LIS from TAP would be welcome addition.

User currently offlineCHI787ORD From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 517 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4320 times:

ORD-BHX is what i want to see from either UA or AA.

User currently offlineGLAGAZ From UK - Scotland, joined Feb 2004, 1983 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4347 times:

Quoting Georgiabill (Reply 20):
I also think BOS-PIK would work especially summer season.

You won't see that happening. If NWA or AA decide to start BOS-Scotland it will be GLA or EDI. Perhaps a smaller airline could try it...

Gaz



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User currently offlineBHXDTW From Eritrea, joined Feb 2005, 1090 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3912 times:

Quoting CHI787ORD (Reply 21):
ORD-BHX is what i want to see from either UA or AA.

AHHH yeah.. I hear you on that one !! Anyone know if that would ever happen ??
Also NW... now thats an interesting one and I want opinions...
US,AA,CO,DL all serve more than one destination in the UK and Europe.. NW only serves LGW... with all the new 330's coming would you not think a move to MAN or (now heres some wishfull thinking Smile BHX be on the cards ?? I mean look how far south LGW is from Scotland,The midlands, etc etc
I know UA also only serve LHR but with the BD base there, their is probably no need as they would send all the long haul traffic from IAD,LAX,JFK onto BD flights connecting up to MAN and so on etc etc
Your thoughts my comrades..


User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3513 times:

Quoting B6sea (Reply 1):
Well, some of this may be wishful thinking but I've always thought that SEA would be the next city to be opened up to europe flights. Also I think once someone acquires the 787 or A350 you will see a lot more opening up of secondary US/Canadian cities to europe.


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25 Flycmh2009 : Wishful thinking, but I'm just waiting for the VERY distant day that CMH receives european service. Yeah, like that will ever happen. Although, I don'
26 B6sea : I adressed that in a later post... Aeroflot to Moscow and BA to LHR and NW to AMS are also transatlantic... I still don't understand how PDX got LH..
27 Aa777jr : They use to fly ORD-BHX. Quit service in 2003 I think. Why they are flying to NCL and not BHX is beyond me. AA wants to expand European service with
28 BOSPMV : I would not go as far as to say BOS is an inconsistent international gateway as far as Europe is concerned. BOS is BA's second best station to North
29 Cubsrule : ...or the US codeshare if it was the mid-90s.
30 Adam727 : Will Virgin think about coming to phx. I have also notice that BA has used the 744 all year long now on the lhr-phx . before they switched to the 772
31 BHXDTW : Dear sir I hear you on that one !! how long will it be before winglets are installed.. I think Id rather fly BHX-ORD-DTW V.V than LHR-DTW V.V or even
32 MainMAN : Because NCL isn't yet linked to NYC. I'd be surprised if BHX didn't get its link reinstated to ORD at some point. The 2 MAN services (AA and BD/UA) a
33 ATCT : Back in the industry days of Pittsburgh, we had lots of trans atlantic service. USAir and BA mostly. Had 74's from BA up until the late 90's then beca
34 Stirling : I don't know what you're trying to say about YVR. What does YVR have to do with PDX having service by Lufthansa?? The flights exist because of: Local
35 Ouboy79 : I think you may be thinking of the code-share service offered via (then) USAir. Most of the domestic USAir cities had code-share flights to London.
36 B6sea : sorry, actually that was in reference to SEA not getting service from LH but yeah.... I can see how you would misunderstand on my second reading of w
37 ASFlyer : BA never flew to Flint, not even a diversion.
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