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The Minimum Number Of FAs Onboard Required By Law  
User currently offlinePilottim747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1607 posts, RR: 5
Posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3411 times:

I know that in the United States, the FAA regulations require a minimum of 1 flight attendant for every 50 passengers. In another thread a person said that in Australia, the Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA) requires 1 flight attendant for every 36 passengers.

So this has me wondering. What do other countries say is the minimum number of FAs required on each flight?

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User currently offlineJdwfloyd From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 837 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3401 times:

19 and less=0
20-50=1
50-100=2
100-150=3
and so on


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7402 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3386 times:

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Reply 1):
19 and less=0
20-50=1
50-100=2
100-150=3
and so on

Right. but the number of seats on board an a/c is not the only factor :
The law requires also one F/A by pair of main doors; The most "restrictive" factor has to be applied :

ex : An A319LR equipped in a single 45 Business Class seats will require a minimum of 2 F/A, though there are less than 50 seats.


User currently offlineVHXLR8 From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 500 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3247 times:

Quoting Pilottim747 (Thread starter):
In another thread a person said that in Australia, the Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA) requires 1 flight attendant for every 36 passengers.

This is true, plus there also needs to be 1 F/A per door


User currently offlinePilottim747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1607 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3236 times:

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 2):
The law requires also one F/A by pair of main doors; The most "restrictive" factor has to be applied

Ah, I hadnt thought about an aircraft like the A319CJ. But it makes sense.

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User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6761 posts, RR: 76
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3229 times:

You must have the F/A as per pax number above, and the 1 F/A per pair of doors. Emergency windows excepted. Plus, you must be able to demonstrate the the regulatory authorities that you can evacuate a full aircraft using that number of F/As using 50% of the available exits within *forgot how long*...

You can have 10F/As in a 732 but if they can't evacuate it in that period, then you need more  Smile J/K

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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3167 times:

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Reply 1):

Are you saying if 18 Pax capacity,No F/A required.
regds
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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7402 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3155 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 6):
Are you saying if 18 Pax capacity,No F/A required.

Yes, absolutely !

That's why aircraft like Twin-otters DHC-6/Emb 110 with 16/17 seats or so have no F/A on board


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User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3072 times:

Just to clarify something here regarding the US system of flight attendent ratio per passengers. It is one F/A per 50 seats, regardless if there is passengers sitting in those seats. If the aircraft has a seat 51, then 2 F/As are required.
JdwFloyd, if I can tweak your numbers a bit here, it should read like this.
0-19 = 0
20-50 = 1
51-100 = 2
101-150 = 3
151-200 = 4
201-250 = 5
You get the idea. So for example, a 763 with 216 seats installed still requires 5 F/As even if there is only 108 revenue passengers aboard. Regards.



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User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3065 times:

We have the ridiculous situation in the UK. BMI have to carry 2 flight attendants on a 49 seat ERJ145 yet only have to provide 3 on a full loaded 149 seat 733!!

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26361 posts, RR: 76
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3044 times:

Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 5):
that you can evacuate a full aircraft using that number of F/As using 50% of the available exits within *forgot how long*...

90 seconds

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 9):
BMI have to carry 2 flight attendants on a 49 seat ERJ145

Why? Is there a rear main door? In the US, ERJ135/145 and CRJ200s run with 1 F/A



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User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3019 times:

I dont know why! It is the case though. Bet its killing BMI's pig that they have to carry 2 cabin attendants on the ERJ145. They have cut back the FAs to the bare minimum on other aircraft even though the staff have more work now to do with the time-consuming task of on-board sales.

User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7402 posts, RR: 57
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2906 times:

Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 8):
It is one F/A per 50 seats, regardless if there is passengers sitting in those seats



Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 8):
So for example, a 763 with 216 seats installed still requires 5 F/As even if there is only 108 revenue passengers aboard.

Actually, if a F/A is not available for any reason (strike, flu epidemic, whatever), an airline can limit the number of PAX on board according to the number of F/A available.

Example : Your airline is based at CDG and operates a 168 seats A320.
168 seats = 4 F/A.
Your plane is leaving CDG to MAD with 168 PAX and 4 F/A.
In MAD, during the 1 hour stopover, one of the F/A breaks his leg and is taken to the hospital.
Your plane will be able to return to CDG with only 3 F/A (the rule of 1 F/A for each pair of main door is respected) but with a maximum of 150 PAX on board.


User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6761 posts, RR: 76
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2896 times:

With larger aircraft such as those with more than 2 pairs of entry doors/emergency exit DOORs... you can carry less FAs if you can effectively seal unused portions of the cabin from pax/crew use during the flight... However, I am not sure...

N1120... yes 90 secs  Smile

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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7402 posts, RR: 57
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2860 times:

Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 13):
With larger aircraft such as those with more than 2 pairs of entry doors/emergency exit DOORs... you can carry less FAs if you can effectively seal unused portions of the cabin from pax/crew use during the flight... However, I am not sure...

You are right.

You can operate a B747 with only 5 F/A (1 F/A for each pair of doors on the main deck) and a limitation of 250 PAX on the main deck . No F/A and No PAX at the upper deck.

You can even operate a B747-300/400 with only 1 F/A :

Less than 50 PAX, all seated at the upper deck. No PAX & No F/A on the main deck.
It happened once on AF :

In Sept.1993, when AF's B744 F-GITA ended its landing at PPT half in the lagoon ...

AF sent another B744 with a maintenance/engineer team to PPT. No one on the main deck. 28 Persons seating at the upper deck (Business Class) and 2 F/A. A good friend of mine was one of them.

[Edited 2005-09-13 11:41:27]

User currently offlineAtco2b From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 1114 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2838 times:

In July when travelling with BA from LGW-MAN, our 734 had 17 passengers, and 5 cabin crew! I presume this is standard with BA, and also predict that the next sectors for the crew (MAN-LGW, LGW-EDI, EDI-LGW) needed the extra help  Smile


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User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2816 times:

I feel sorry for the cabin staff of BMI who now with reduced numbers, have to provide a pay on-board service on full flights out of LHR - BRU, CDG etc. Those girls better get themselves some Lucozade and a pair of roller skates!

User currently offlinePilottim747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1607 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2739 times:

So it looks like most countries have the 1:50 minimum ratio. Are there other countries like Australia that have a stricter ratio?

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User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6761 posts, RR: 76
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2713 times:

Here in Indonesia, a couple of airlines have gone to 3 F/As for 732s, and 4 on the MD82... AWAir goes for 3 F/As for 733s...

Garuda have used 5 F/As for all their 737 flights including -500s... however I think the -500 have 4 now... and GA-Citilink has 3 only...

So for a 1 hr flight, it's food drinks and sales by 3 F/As on the 732 for a few airlines here...

On the other end, another airline was once witnessed to have had 8 F/As on an MD82... with full pax... the "extra" F/As came out of the rear galley after take off... now where did they sit? the galley floor? *shaking my head*

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User currently offlineCslusarc From Canada, joined May 2005, 838 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2693 times:

No one has mentioned CANADA:

19 seats or fewer = NO FA
20-50 seats = 1 FA (this is an exemption to the 1:40 PAX rule)
51-80 pax = 2 FA
81-120 pax = 3 FA
121-160 pax = 4 FA
...... and so on with a 1:40 PAX ratio

example:
- a 735 or 736 configured with 120 pax (all-Y) or 100 pax (12J/88Y) requires 3 FAs, but a 124 pax (all-Y) 732 requires 4 FAs.



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