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2nd & 3rd A380s - Why The Different Paint Jobs?  
User currently offlineBraybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5678 posts, RR: 32
Posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11972 times:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y193/Braybuddy/A380s.jpg

Sorry about the poor quality of the pic, but this is a shot of the second and third A380s this morning (12/9) at Toulouse. One clearly has the Airbus house tail, the other is a white tail. I distinctly remember a Singapore tail being unloaded off a Super Guppy some months back. Seeing that Singapore is going to be the first customer to fly the aircraft, why was this not put on one of the above aircraft?

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User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11851 times:

Cool pic, I heard that the 2nd A380 is supposed to fly in october, anyone can confirm this?

User currently offlineJBLUA320 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3179 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11837 times:
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Maybe they have the 3rd one in primer so they can paint it directly into the colors of its future operator?

JBLU


User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11816 times:

Quoting JBLUA320 (Reply 2):
Maybe they have the 3rd one in primer so they can paint it directly into the colors of its future operator?

What about the old rumors to paint an A380 in Emirates colors for the Dubai Air Show?


Regards
Udo

[Edited 2005-09-12 15:55:36]

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11803 times:

Quoting Braybuddy (Thread starter):
Seeing that Singapore is going to be the first customer to fly the aircraft, why was this not put on one of the above aircraft

Yeah.What happened to that Vertical Stablizer in SQ colours.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineGeo772 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11793 times:

If I were an airline executive I don't think I would want an early test aircraft to have my airlines livery. Later on during the test flight program when the final test aircraft will later go onto commercial service then I can imagine them in the final carriers livery.


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User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11780 times:

According to the production list they're both not reserved for any customer yet.

Quoting Udo (Reply 3):
What about the old rumors to paint an A380 in Emirates colors for the Dubai Air Show?

That's what I was thinking, too. Easier to paint it into Emirates colors when it is white.


User currently offlineLordHowe From Finland, joined Jan 2003, 728 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11709 times:

Quoting Braybuddy (Thread starter):
that Singapore is going to be the first customer to fly the aircraft, why was this not put on one of the above aircraft?

Because SQ gets nr. 4!

Regards,
LordHowe



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User currently offlineEha From France, joined May 2005, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 11449 times:

Quoting LordHowe (Reply 7):
Because SQ gets nr. 4!

What do you mean by Nr 4 ?

MSN4 and MSN2 are next to be handed over to Flight test dept, second half of this month.

E.


User currently offlineEDDM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 11382 times:

Funny.. why didn't they take down the "A380 Generation" poster after the first flight ceremony?


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User currently offlineKnoxibus From France, joined Aug 2007, 259 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 11349 times:
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Quoting LordHowe (Reply 7):
Because SQ gets nr. 4!

Nope, to put this straight, SIA will have MSN 003, 005, 006, 008...

MSN 004 & 002 & 007 will be next on the flight tests, and should be handed over to ETD after some months. A will keep only MSN 001.



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User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6331 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 11282 times:

EDDM, what do you mean why can't the poster stay up?

User currently offlineLordHowe From Finland, joined Jan 2003, 728 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 11225 times:

Quoting Knoxibus (Reply 10):
Nope, to put this straight, SIA will have MSN 003, 005, 006, 008...

MSN 004 & 002 & 007 will be next on the flight tests, and should be handed over to ETD after some months. A will keep only MSN 001.

Thanks Knoxibus for correction!

I thought that I had read somewhere that nr. 4 would be SQs. So Nr. 3 is Singapore Airlines - OK!

Regards,
LordHowe



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 10982 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 4):
Yeah.What happened to that Vertical Stablizer in SQ colours.

It will go on MSN 003

Quoting EDDM (Reply 9):
Funny.. why didn't they take down the "A380 Generation" poster after the first flight ceremony?

Why would they?

N


User currently offlineBraybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5678 posts, RR: 32
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 9438 times:

Quoting Eha (Reply 8):
MSN4 and MSN2 are next to be handed over to Flight test dept, second half of this month.

If that's the case, why the white tail on one of the aircraft?


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9596 posts, RR: 52
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 9379 times:

Quoting Geo772 (Reply 5):
If I were an airline executive I don't think I would want an early test aircraft to have my airlines livery

That is the exact opposite attitude that UA had during 777 testing. Of the five 777s involved in the testing procedures, one was painted in house Boeing colors, while the other four I believe were in the full United paint scheme. United tried to milk the media coverage of the plane as free advertising. People would see a beautiful brand new plane landing and then see the United logo on the side of it and hopefully make the conclusion that they would want to fly United to get to fly on such a wonderful new plane. Think of how many photos have been published of the A380. Wouldn't you want the free advertising saying that you would be the one to operate this brand new amazing piece of modern machinery?



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 9339 times:

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 14):
If that's the case, why the white tail on one of the aircraft?

It just isn't done yet.

N


User currently offlineBraybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5678 posts, RR: 32
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 9002 times:

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 16):
It just isn't done yet.

N

Yet the other one, which hasn't been painted, has the Airbus house colours on its tail. I'm confused!


User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2254 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8921 times:
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Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 17):
Yet the other one, which hasn't been painted, has the Airbus house colours on its tail. I'm confused!

Im sure I read above that MSN 003 will be going to SQ. Also the poster stated that 002 is an Airbus flight test aircraft. Why do people not read earlier posts.

NZ1


User currently offlineBraybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5678 posts, RR: 32
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8393 times:

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 18):
Why do people not read earlier posts.

If you'd read my post I wondered why, if MSN 004 and 002 are the next two, and both of them are Airbus test aircraft, as Knoxibus above says, why are the two tails different? Gigneil says the white tail isn't done yet, so why does the unpainted one have a finished tail, yet the white one doesn't. Okay, the tail on the unpainted one was obviously finished before mounting, yet the other one wasn't.

On a (slightly) related topic, I've often seen pics of unpainted aircraft, mostly 737s with painted rudders. A few people have asked about this and the standard reply was that the rudders need to be fully painted beforehand for balance purposes. Yet in the Airbus factory, none of the unpainted aircraft we saw had painted rudders.


User currently offlineAAFLT1871 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2333 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8240 times:

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 17):
Yet the other one, which hasn't been painted, has the Airbus house colours on its tail. I'm confused!

Lets say you are the C.E.O for SQ, and you as being a launch customer for a totally new aircraft type. Would you want the plane flying around in flight testing wearing your livery? What if the plane were to crash? Do you know what would be all over the news? A SQ A380 has crashed, even though it was not a revenue flight and you have not taken delivery of your first plane yet. Most of the flying public is morons, they would not know that this was a flight test, they would assume SQ flies unsafe planes. Can you say bad press? Just as airlines are quick to pull/blackout their markings off of a crashed plane, why? They don't want to have the picture posted all over showing one of their down airliners. Now from what I gather, the one tail that has the Airbus house colors on it is staying with Airbus, the others will be going to various airlines once the flight testing is complete. At that time, you will see the liverys put on.



Where did everybody go?
User currently offlineAAFLT1871 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2333 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8200 times:

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 19):
mostly 737s with painted rudders.

My guess on that is the 737 line is a established line that they know the in's and out's of while the A380 is a new design type and as you know you have to crawl before you walk taking one step at a time. Down the line I am sure you will see painted rudders on A380's



Where did everybody go?
User currently offlineBraybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5678 posts, RR: 32
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8134 times:

Quoting AAFLT1871 (Reply 20):
Would you want the plane flying around in flight testing wearing your livery?

According to RoseFlyer above, UA did just that with the 777. I'd be inclined to agree with him: airlines are gluttons for exposure. It's extremely unlikely a test aircraft would crash nowadays so they were obviously willing to take a chance.

Quoting AAFLT1871 (Reply 21):
A380 is a new design type and as you know you have to crawl before you walk taking one step at a time.

The ones we saw were A340s and A320s.

[Edited 2005-09-13 01:26:56]

User currently offlineRuscoe From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1557 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8028 times:

Unless it has changed I read that MSN 001 and 002 are not going to be rewired, so if this is the case 002 will not be able to go to an airline either.,

MSN 004 is suppossed to be the first "production standard" aircraft with enhanced RR engines, and non steel wheels. If this is still the case what happens with MSN 003?

Ruscoe


User currently offlineBOS2LAF From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 374 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6253 times:

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 22):
The ones we saw were A340s and A320s.

When I toured the A330/340 facility in TLS in March '04, there were painted tails on most of the planes under construction in the bays (incidentally, I think I saw EgyptAir's first A330 under construction Big grin). Not all of them, but most of them had painted tails. To someone who knows very little about the manufacturing process, it seemed to me that there was no rhyme or reason. My best guess is that it might have something to do with availability of the paint shop.


25 RedChili : But why should Airbus give up the possibility of advertising themselves for free? I think that most answers concerning this question simply forget th
26 Knoxibus : Well as long as they belong to Airbus, I don't see why for the time being ETD can say yea or nay to which color these a/c should be painted in. I sti
27 Gary2880 : is it cheaper for ETD to buy the test A380s that airbus have had a play with instead of brand new ones? only ask as thats the only reason i can see t
28 Astuteman : From a production engineering viewpoint, it is far easier to manhandle, and paint a tail (particularly one as immense as the A380) whilst it is horiz
29 Jush : I'll second that. That is almost free advertisement and the risk of losing reputation is quite small so why not do this. I hope to see the A380 in Em
30 Eha : Frankly I do not know, but I know for sure, that MSN 04 and MSN 02 are to be handed over to Flight test dpt, this month. E.
31 Breiz : Some possible explanations : - F-WXXL is prototype no. 2 (c/n 002)and as such is most probably already subject to modifications. Painting it straight
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