Ourboeing From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 474 posts, RR: 0 Posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3402 times:
I have always wondered about why Russian Aircraft are not given a fair chance in the aviation market. And I have heard many different answers and the most common ones being, their safety record and unavailability of spare parts.
I personally feel that Russian Aircraft are not given a fair chance to prove themselves as the aviation industry does not want anything beyond A and B. I think Tupolovs and Ilyushins and Yaks are as good.
Are Russian aircraft banned from flying into US Airspace? If not, why does Aeroflot use only Boeing aircraft on it US routes?
TaromA380 From Romania, joined Sep 2005, 332 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3358 times:
- prior to sell, you have to invest *lot* of money preparing the market, the russians doesn't have it right now
- some of their aircrafts doesn't meet all the western certification requirements
- the engines are noisier
- the fuel burn is higher
- the technology level is a little older than western competitors
- maybe the airframe would cost less to acquire, but the costs to run and maintenance would cost more
- they don't have (yet?) any revolutionary product to make a strong impression on the market
FlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7313 posts, RR: 61 Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3358 times:
Quoting Ourboeing (Thread starter): Are Russian aircraft banned from flying into US Airspace?
Well, not really !!!
You seem to forget that until the late 90s, Aeroflot and most of the former "East-European" countries were flying ONLY Russian (Soviet) aircraft to the U.S, particularly the IL62
RedChili From Norway, joined Jul 2005, 2053 posts, RR: 2 Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3336 times:
Quoting Ourboeing (Thread starter): I personally feel that Russian Aircraft are not given a fair chance to prove themselves as the aviation industry does not want anything beyond A and B. I think Tupolovs and Ilyushins and Yaks are as good.
Yaks? Do you seriously believe that for example Lufthansa should consider buying the Yak-42 to replace their 737s?
Quoting Ourboeing (Thread starter): Are Russian aircraft banned from flying into US Airspace? If not, why does Aeroflot use only Boeing aircraft on it US routes?
Some of the older, noisier types are banned. I know that the T154, T204 and IL-96 are allowed to fly to Europe, but I don't know about the US.
Aeroflot uses Boeings because they only have six IL-96 planes, and because the dispatch reliability on those planes is really low. The IL-96 spends more time on the ground than in the air.
A few years ago, when Aeroflot had a fleet of some 115 planes and only 27 of them were A and B, those 27 actually earned 50 percent of the total SU revenue.
OURBOEING From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 474 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3225 times:
TripleDelta From Croatia, joined Jul 2004, 1053 posts, RR: 7 Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3178 times:
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The success of Russian airliners abroad depends also, at least it did back in the 90s, on an important fact - that Russian airliners are designed for Russian conditions and may be "overengineered" by Western standards. While yer average 737 (just an example, no offense to the plane ) will fly in normally predictable and stable wx conditions, in a normal continental temperature range, from paved runways with a host of navigation and service equipment (that is the Western standard), a Tu-154 was designed with -40-ish temperatures, snow, rough runways, lack of ground support and survivability in mind. Hence their tough airframes and simple, time-tested systems.
The open spaces and low population density over most of the former Union, as well as present Russia, meant that noise pollution wasn't an issue, and the abundant oil reserves of the Azov Sea region, as well as the Urals, also placed fuel economy second to survivability.
COAMiG29 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 515 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3071 times:
The safety??????? Russian planes are built to withstand much punishment than almost any others around, most are rough field capable and built to last. i think that honestly people are scared of what they don't know and something from behind the iron curtain is just that. do i have trouble flying on a soviet built jet? ABSOLUTELY NOT ive even worn a soviet Aeroflot shirt to the local mall and gunranges
If Continental had a hub at DFW with nonstop flights I would always fly them, unfortunantely good things take time.
RedChili From Norway, joined Jul 2005, 2053 posts, RR: 2 Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3011 times:
The Russian planes are generally very safe if you take care of them properly. But if a major Western airline would buy some of these jets, I think that much of the traveling public would be scared away from the airline at the though of flying a Russian built plane.
Joni From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2974 times:
I think that entering the large civil airliner market might be one good way to invest some of Russia's windfall from high oil prices. That would protect Russia's aerospave industry from declining and develop new know-how.
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