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BA Asks Pax To Pay "Green Fee" (not Talking Golf!)  
User currently offlineBHXFAOTIPYYC From Portugal, joined Jun 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3351 times:

From www.thetimes.co.uk

BA asks passengers to pay green fee
By Ben Webster
Travellers must make ethical choice on surcharge to offset the environmental impact of flying



PASSENGERS of British Airways face a moral dilemma: from today, when they book they will be asked to pay a few pounds extra to compensate for the environmental impact of their flights.
The airline will encourage all of its passengers to make a donation which will be invested in energy-saving projects.



The amount will depend on the distance travelled, with passengers flying from London to Paris paying £5, those to Los Angeles £13 and those to Sydney £25. BA is introducing the “green fee” to persuade the Government that it takes the issue of pollution seriously.

The airline fears that ministers will adopt a European proposal for environmental taxes on flights unless the industry is seen to act to mitigate emissions. Under the scheme, passengers will be able to calculate their share of the carbon dioxide, the main greenhouse gas, emitted by the aircraft during their journey. They will then be asked to pay a fee that will be spent on projects that help developing countries to reduce their emissions. The idea, known as carbon offsetting, is to save an equivalent amount of CO2 that would otherwise be emitted by developing countries without the investment.

BA has joined forces with Climate Care, an Oxford-based environmental trust that specialises in carbon offsetting by distributing energy-efficient lamps in South Africa and low-emission stoves in India.


....... coming only a couple of days after their fuel surcharge goes up yet again, all I can say is "good luck" getting pax to actually donate money.


Breakfast in BHX, lunch in FAO, dinner in TIP, baggage in YYC.
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User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3313 times:

The situation with BA and surcharges is getting ridiculous. One finds what one thinks is a good fare, and then goes to the final page to book and that fare then triples. First its airport taxes and then its fuel surcharges and then its a further fuel surcharge and now they want to add an environmental levy????

As a side note, a friend who suffers from Anorexia nervosa wonders if BA would stiill be her favourite airline, as they were when she flew them in August Big grin


User currently offlineMarshalN From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2005, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3304 times:

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 1):
The situation with BA and surcharges is getting ridiculous. One finds what one thinks is a good fare, and then goes to the final page to book and that fare then triples. First its airport taxes and then its fuel surcharges and then its a further fuel surcharge and now they want to add an environmental levy????

I agree, and it's not just BA. I am trying to book a flight on Lufthansa, and I find that surcharges, taxes, etc cost about 1/3 of the base fee. Let's just say I was not too pleased  Sad


User currently offlineBHXFAOTIPYYC From Portugal, joined Jun 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3280 times:

That's why that I give TAP (Air Portugal) some credit in that their fuel surcharge is now in with the fare.

I dawned on me that BA franchises like GB Airways must be making good money off this surcharge. The BA excuses as to why the fuel surcharge are at the level they are shouldn't really apply to GB, IMHO



Breakfast in BHX, lunch in FAO, dinner in TIP, baggage in YYC.
User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3432 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3102 times:
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Why should pax pay a "green fee”? The tickets we purchase from the airlines, already have a large chunk of “tax money” tagged onto it. IMO British Airways is shunning away from its own corporate-and social responsibility and trying to pass the buck on to the consumer.

This is almost as ridiculous as New Zealand's Agricultural Minister (IIRC), who tried to impose a tax on sheep farmers down in New Zealand for the "gas" that their sheep were emitting. According to Government, sheep emissions were the foremost cause of CO2 emissions in New Zealand. I truly do not know what happened in the end, but I sure had a good laugh.

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SA7700



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User currently offlineMhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3059 times:

Well at least they have the decency to make it optional, rather than adding another non-negotiable surcharge onto a fare.


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User currently offlineRichard28 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 1597 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3035 times:

Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 5):
Well at least they have the decency to make it optional, rather than adding another non-negotiable surcharge onto a fare.

agreed.

There was another thread recently where the EU (through France I believe) are suggesting a green tax is levied by law on all EU flights.

Maybe, just maybe, BA is being clever, and trying to call France's bluff on this one, by demonstrating that the public do not want a green tax attached to air fares.

Either that or its being a bit silly IMHO.


User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3004 times:

If BA were to add any more surcharges onto their fare calculation at the payment screen they would need another page.

User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7260 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2908 times:

Quoting Richard28 (Reply 6):
There was another thread recently where the EU (through France I believe) are suggesting a green tax is levied by law on all EU flights.

Maybe, just maybe, BA is being clever

I think Richard28 has hit the nail on the head. There is a French proposal before the EU that airline passengers should be taxed an amount equivalent to a not totally arbitrary cost of the emissions caused as a result of their and their travel companions journey.

Now let's see some reasoned arguments as to what BA are hoping to achieve by introducing a similar but voluntary scheme at this time. Do they wish to show the EU it does not have the support of their customers? Is it trying to be an environmentally clean company? Or whast?


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7260 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2878 times:

I have now looked at BA's web site. It porovides a calculator to calculate the cost of your travel to the environment. It also provides a link to the web site of the Oxford based charity, Climate Care. This link enables the passenger to voluntarily make a payment direct to the charity. None of the money ever goes through British Airway's hands. They are providing a way for their customers to make a direct donation to a specific charity if that is what the passenger wants. So cut your carping.

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 4):
Why should pax pay a "green fee”?

Possibly because much of the money the charity spends is spent in your country and not the UK. A good enough reason?


User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3197 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2811 times:

I think BA is trying to demonstrate something here...and quite frankly i doubt they give a flying F*@K about CO2 omissions.

Think about this everybody. Firstly as pointed out, the government already collects HUGE taxes on airlines.... when you think about all the extra little charges airlines often pay more tax than most other kinds of businesses...right around the world.

Next... it is not BA's responsibility to develop engines etc that produce less emissions. That lies with Boeing, Airbus, Rolls and PW etc.

Next.... very very high oil prices are going to help force the development of more fuel efficient engines. Now in general that doesn't necessairly mean less emissions (eg...CFM 56-5 engine vs V2500...V2500 burns slightly less fuel but CFM engine burns it cleaner and produces less emissions...less nox and sox) But big savings...say in the order of 20% are going to make an impact.

If the EU really wants to target emissions they should facing China. But they, along with everybody else doesn't want to piss china off(its far easier to tell some little guy who burns kerosene lamps to light his house that its bad than to tackle the industrial might of the Sino Dragon who may just breathe fire back and refuse to deal with certain EU countries)... And with their Aerospace sector having grown 40% each year for the last few years...that is a hell of a lot of New Airbus sales that would end up new Boeing sales. (in other words...unemployment in france and germany)

Lastly, It appears the is an element within the EU parliament, that is quite Anti-Aviation, and would appear quite happy to see the industry suffer. They would rather people not have the choice of flying (aka - take the train) and i think are particularly pissed off at the success of certain LCC in europe. They don't like the fact that Londoners decided to take a quick weekend trip to Berlin for some culture...or Paris for some shopping.

So, BA... i hope this little stunt works for you and doesn't cost you too many customers in the mean time.


User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2789 times:

I give money to pro-environment causes without being asked. I guess that's why this does not bother me in the slightest. I wish more companies would do it. At least it would give casual consumers a moment to think about the consequences of their actions, even if they end up refusing to donate any money or simply curse the screen as they click the FU button.


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User currently offlineMhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2622 times:

Interestingly, I have just booked a MAN-LGW-MAN flight with BA (still cheaper than Jet2 - £56.40 including all fuel surcharges!), and no-where was the option to pay the 'green fee' mentioned. Whether it only applies to international flights or not I don't know!


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User currently offlineDstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1449 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2589 times:

Perhaps recent events have convinced BA that
"there is no such thing as a free lunch" (on BA).

Sorry, could not resist that.
Low tolerance for gesture politics today. Why not a donation to those bothered by aviation related noise also?


User currently offlineA319114 From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 541 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2576 times:

I think it's a great move by BA, which should be followed by more airlines. It would be more than happy to pay the surcharge.


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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7260 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2478 times:

Quoting Dstc47 (Reply 13):
It would be more than happy to pay the surcharge.

Please note that it is not a 'surcharge'. As I stated earlier - see Reply 9 - it is an opportunity provided by BA for its customers to make a donation direct to an entirely independent charity.


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