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User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 9377 times:

I am little behind .. little TV, no internet, limited newspaper/magazine reading ... now I want to catch up here by starting this thread   

Can anyone answer my questions below regarding AA M82/M83...

Last aircraft retired?

Next aircraft to be retired?

Any stored/parked the last few weeks?

Any retrieved and returned to fleet the last few weeks?

Latest incident?

and recent "Airline" media news focusing on AA M82s/M83s? (like announcements, route upgrades/downgrades, information, etc)

if you will, many thanks

Kyle

[Edited 2005-09-13 02:48:23]


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User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 9312 times:

Can't really answer any of your questions off the top of my head. However AA is in the process of replacing the "steam gauge" ADI/HSI on the older MD-82's with LCD's. The "steam gauge" ADI/HSI are getting more and more expensive to repair. By replacing them with LCD's AA hopes to save around $36 million a year in maintenance and training costs.

User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11550 posts, RR: 61
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 9289 times:

One major event currently taking place vis a vis AA and its MD80 fleet is the interior refurbishments. AA is in the process of bringing all of its TWA MD80s up to AA interior standards. The seats are getting new covers. The cabin divider is getting a static, solid wall, versus the cloth flap like in the TWA days. The walls are getting AA standard laminates.

User currently offlineAa777flyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 9273 times:

Another interesting development. If oil prices remain at $60 or higher ber barrel through January AA will ground 90 MD80's and cut around another 10,000 jobs.

User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 9178 times:

Quoting Aa777flyer (Reply 3):
Another interesting development. If oil prices remain at $60 or higher ber barrel through January AA will ground 90 MD80's and cut around another 10,000 jobs.

Do you have insider info?


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7561 posts, RR: 28
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 9078 times:

Quoting September11 (Thread starter):
Last aircraft retired?

Next aircraft to be retired?

Any stored/parked the last few weeks?

Any retrieved and returned to fleet the last few weeks?

Latest incident?

Nothing has really changed in the past year or so regarding the MD-80 fleet. No aircraft have been parked or retired since the decision to park and not return the 30-ish former TWA MD-80's. The only MD-80's that have ever left the fleet have been former TWA aircraft that the leases were rejected on. With the exception of the AA MD-80 written off in LIT, all original AA MD-80's are in active service, and will be for the forseeable future.

Quoting Aa777flyer (Reply 3):
Another interesting development. If oil prices remain at $60 or higher ber barrel through January AA will ground 90 MD80's and cut around another 10,000 jobs.

I don't put any stock in this unsupported rumor. Unless you have some real credible source, I wouldn't believe it. AA's aircraft are heavily utilized, they cannot just hack of 90 aircraft and still maintain anywhere near their present operation. Sounds like galley chatter to me.


User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13003 posts, RR: 100
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 9051 times:
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Quoting Aa777flyer (Reply 3):
Another interesting development. If oil prices remain at $60 or higher ber barrel through January AA will ground 90 MD80's and cut around another 10,000 jobs.

Source?  stirthepot 
Seriously, if oil stays high, I would expect some capacity to be removed from the system. However, Would AA really ground ~10% of their capacity? That's dramatic.

Of course, we all know that "When will AA replace those MD-80's" is the next a.net "When will NW replace the DC-9's" thread!  duck 

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User currently offlineQQflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2275 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8886 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 2):
AA and its MD80 fleet is the interior refurbishments.

This project was completed a few months ago... thank goodness. It was a much needed re-do to standardized the fleet.

Currently there are 336 MD-80s in service with AA.

I have not heard of AA grounding any MD-80s due to oil prices, but AA has acknowledged studying swapping out engines for more fuel efficient ones. This is not the same as the recent "update" of the engines to eek out a little more thrust. New engines isn't likely to happen, but at least AA is studying its feasibility.



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User currently offlineMD11LuxuryLinr From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1385 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8857 times:

Quoting QQflyboy (Reply 7):
Currently there are 336 MD-80s in service with AA

That stat never ceases to amaze me..



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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 968 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8814 times:

>> That stat never ceases to amaze me..

Well heck... WN has over +425 737 flying!

>> I have not heard of AA grounding any MD-80s due to oil prices, but AA has acknowledged studying swapping out engines for more fuel efficient ones. This is not the same as the recent "update" of the engines to eek out a little more thrust. New engines isn't likely to happen, but at least AA is studying its feasibility.

It was mentioned some time ago that several engines (PW6000, Tay, BR715) were under consideration as a means to reduce fuel burn. The fuel savings would be quite substantial, and with a fleet of ~330 MD-80, AA could easily have enough business to make a re-engine program feasable. Considerations are obviously amortization time, but IMO, these airframes have pleanty of life left...


User currently offline777WT From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 875 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8702 times:

Quoting September11 (Thread starter):
Latest incident?

That would have to be the AA's MD-80 in LAS. On landing, the right wingtip scrapped the ground. It was reported to be from a sudden crosswind.
No injuries, plane continued to land and stop safety.

It was caught on video too. Showed the wingtip hitting the gound and making an dirt dust trail following it.


User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8643 times:

Quoting 777WT (Reply 10):


It was caught on video too. Showed the wingtip hitting the gound and making an dirt dust trail following it.

yeah, someone posted a thread with video link here. I was curious if there was (or two) other incident after that one.

330 MD80s -- that's terrific fleet! yes, why not replace engines to reduce fuel burn..



[Edited 2005-09-13 05:51:32]


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User currently offlineQQflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2275 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8579 times:

It has been theorized that if AA were to go ahead with a program to introduce new engines to the MD-80s, only part of the fleet would be upgraded. Part of that theory was that a certain number, say 200 of them, would be upgraded, and the other 100-125 would be replaced by a new, 100-seat aircraft. There is no source to attribute this thought to, it was just theorized that AA would not re-engine the entire fleet, taking the opportunity to introduce a new 100-seat aircraft.

In my opinion, we are more likely to see AA buy new widebody aircraft before we see a re-engine prorgram or orders for new, 100-seat aircraft being made. AA has made it clear the money is in international flying, and that is where the company's assets will be utilized the most for the time being. AA has many, many international opportunities on the horizon, and the limit to serving those markets is the availability of wide body or long range aircraft... hence why the idea of reconfiguring 20 757s has come up.



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User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8547 times:

AFAIK, American has never returned any TWA MD-80s. All 103 birds are still with AA, altho 28 were parked in the desert for awhile. Now they're being refurbish to AA's standards. What MD-80s did go were the Reno Air birds, consisting of MD-81s, -87s & -90s. American's current MD-82/83 fleet total is 362 aircraft, including the parked ships. None have been retired yet, altho the oldest MD-82 (N203AA) is 22 yrs old this year. AA also has the very last MD-80 assembled too, which is a mere 6 yrs old. Regards.


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User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8538 times:

AA is getting ready to part out some of the parked ex-TWA MD-80's.

User currently offlineSirOmega From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8482 times:

Quoting 777WT (Reply 10):

It was caught on video too. Showed the wingtip hitting the gound and making an dirt dust trail following it.

For those that didnt see that video, here is one from the local (LAS) news station, KVVU Fox 5...

http://www.kvvu.com/global/video/Wor...ss&activePane=info&playerVersion=6


User currently offlineN2111J From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 148 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8409 times:

According ANO update, the following were withdrawn from use at Roswell on August 23rd:

N940AS 49825/LN 1577
N941AS 49925/LN 1616
N9305N 49395/LN 1286
N9306T 49567/LN 1367
N9307R 49663/LN 1437
N939AS 49657/LN 1459


User currently offlinePaddy78 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8344 times:

Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 13):
AA also has the very last MD-80 assembled too, which is a mere 6 yrs old.

Yes, I believe this is the TWA "Spirit of Long Beach", N984TW...I think I saw this thing not too long ago, anyone out there know the AA ship number? And did AA do anything to recognize that this was the last MD80 to roll out?...I guess I never looked to see if it had any special markings like Wings of Pride.



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User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8241 times:

To Paddy78...
The fleet number of MD-83 N984TW is 4YU, line #2287. The last MD-80 produced, was delivered to TWA in December 1999. A bit of trivia here, but AA took the last 13 MD-80s assembled, all of them TWA's MD-83s.
AFAIK, when AA repainted N984TW into AA's livery, it became just another generic MD-80, no special markings or anything like that. Sad to say that....it should had something on the bird to reflect both TWA & the MD-80 line. Regards.



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User currently offlineToTheStars From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 264 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8084 times:

Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 18):
when AA repainted N984TW into AA's livery, it became just another generic MD-80, no special markings or anything like that. Sad to say that....it should had something on the bird to reflect both TWA & the MD-80 line

I couldn't agree more.



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User currently offlinePaddy78 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7996 times:

Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 18):
The fleet number of MD-83 N984TW is 4YU, line #2287

Thanks for the info, I will look for it...maybe someone can add some "recognition" in A2 someday....



Only amatures need the handles sticking out.
User currently offlineAirEMS From United States of America, joined May 2004, 684 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7647 times:

I think it would be cool if AA does what US Air / A West and paint some aircraft in the liveries that have merged or were taken over by AA I think that would be cool... Like a 777 in TWA colors  Wow!


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User currently offlinePaddy78 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7387 times:

Quoting AirEMS (Reply 21):
Like a 777 in TWA colors

Would be the most beautiful thing ever to take to the skies. We can only wish....



Only amatures need the handles sticking out.
User currently offlineWhataboutme From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 173 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7355 times:

Quoting Aa777flyer (Reply 3):
Another interesting development. If oil prices remain at $60 or higher ber barrel through January AA will ground 90 MD80's and cut around another 10,000 jobs.

WOW... What a rumor that is. That would mean another 4000 flight attendants would be furloughed adding to the 4138 that are still furloughed.
If you watch the market fuel prices are currently on the down size. I believe jet fuel is down to a little over $70.00 a barrel compare to 2 weeks ago when it was at an all time high around $98.00. We will never see it at $30.00 anymore.
From what I understand from a friend from AA in MIA, AA will not pull out any aircraft from the desert. But whos to say things will not change in the coming future.


User currently offlineAa777flyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7267 times:

The grounding of the 90 MD80 aircraft I heard that from a level 8 managing director....The 10,000 jobs is about right for the number of aircraft being grounded, this includes pilots, flight attendant, CSA's, mechanics, management as well. And yes it is about 10% of capacity.

Keep in mind the MD80 now has the highest CASM to operate, so pulling 90 of the oldest out may not be such a bad idea.


25 Post contains images Aa777jr : laughable.   source? My buddy at AA told me they are waiting for all TW contracts, pilot and flight attendant, to expire. These employees would no l
26 PennPal : Would love to see the DC9/MD80 series stay in the skies for many years to come. Other than the MD11, I feel these planes are the prettiest in the sky.
27 Paddy78 : I am on the recall list for 10 years; laid off in 2002 so they have to call me back before any new hires can come into my station before 2012. So tho
28 N1120A : Should be 440 now
29 ToTheStars : There will never be an AA plane flying with a TWA livery, (too much personality) and way too much bad blood. TWA f/a Pride and dignity
30 Post contains links FlagshipAZ : ToTheStars and AirEMS... You do have that poster with the TWA 777 on it, don't ya? Here's a couple of links for ya if you're feeling nostalgic. http:/
31 Aa757first : Me too. Think about it. If AirTran, Frontier, Southwest and IAir all merged, American would still be bigger Yeah, but, American has five other fleet
32 Okie : The galley rumor I heard from over on the AE side was that AA was trying to figure out a way to bring in contract FA's when I questioned about call ba
33 PSU.DTW.SCE : That is purely just galley chatter, speculation, etc. Gotta love all the crazy scenarios these people dream up. Then again, since they have all the f
34 Ckfred : If, and that's a big if, AA parked 90 MD-80s in the desert, then it would have to cut significantly at ORD. With the cap on operations at ORD, if AA c
35 Post contains links and images September11 : I seriously can not imagine seeing 90 parked AA M80s in the desert - I will faint if that happens but, if they have to, they would probably will sprea
36 PSU.DTW.SCE : Yes there are about 30 MD-80's in storage, all former TWA aircraft. The aircraft in the picture is still in storage. These aircraft have been in stor
37 BR715-A1-30 : That will never happen as AA is too proud to put any of their planes in the lesser company's colors. They screwed TWA over but good.
38 SESGDL : No, they wouldn't be. Jeremy
39 ToTheStars : Thanks for the links Flagship. Have you seen the pic of how the TWA livery would have looked on the 787? Sweet!
40 Post contains images MD11LuxuryLinr : Thanks Aa757first. Atleast you knew the direction I was coming from..
41 Post contains images AirEMS : Woo Hoo thanks Flagship..... yet again I ask the question would we ever see a Frontier 80's retro jet??? Fly Safe -Carl
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