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WN Pushes Boeing To Develop New 737-700  
User currently offlineKLMcedric From Belgium, joined Dec 2003, 812 posts, RR: 22
Posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 13930 times:

Southwest Airlines has asked Boeing to develop a new more fuel efficient
version of the 737-700.The new airliner must contain technical developments
from the 787 dreamliner and new engines.That's what WN CEO Garry Kelly
said in the "Seattle Times".
Although the current profits are secured for the short term, due to strategic
hedging of fuel, the CEO is worried about the future if oilprices keep rising.
A more fuel-efficient airplane will be necessary in the long term.
Kelly also states that WN is very happy about the 737-700 performance, but
now that the 737NG is 8 years old the time has come for a successor.

IMO, very interesting news.
NW is the single largest operator of B737 by far, their demand won't
certainly not be neglected by Boeing.That means that if Boeing makes
a move for a new single-aisler, Airbus won't have the option to wait to long
to do the same thing.

Could this be the startsignal for a next generation of 737/320 coming
up? I certainly hope so.

Regards

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User currently offlineFlypdx From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 636 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 13874 times:

Quoting KLMcedric (Thread starter):
NW is the single largest operator of B737 by far, their demand won't

Might want to change that..


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26449 posts, RR: 75
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 13845 times:

Quoting Flypdx (Reply 1):
Quoting KLMcedric (Thread starter):
NW is the single largest operator of B737 by far, their demand won't

Might want to change that..

Yeah, because NW has never flown a 737. WN, however, is not only the single largest operator of the 737, but they are also the largest operator of any single aircraft family.

BTW, it wont be a new version of the 737-700. It will either be called something different or would be the 737-1100 in this line of thinking



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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 13806 times:

I think there is pressure on Snecma, GE and RR and Pratt to come up with something new.

Maybe R&D is pulled forward..
http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/10/19/biz_biz1cfm.html


User currently offlineBtriple7 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1161 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 13805 times:

Will the next version of the 737 be fly-by-wire? Also, will the next 737 have a fuselage width comparable to the A320 (18 inch seat-width).

Thanks,
Btriple7



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User currently offlineKLMCedric From Belgium, joined Dec 2003, 812 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 13787 times:

Sorry for this obvious mistake.
Offcourse I meant WN, I'm having trouble re-editing, can't type my username
anymore, but I stand corrected with this.


User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4105 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 13766 times:

Quoting Btriple7 (Reply 4):
Will the next version of the 737 be fly-by-wire? Also, will the next 737 have a fuselage width comparable to the A320 (18 inch seat-width).

Nobody could possibly know this, but I will say that Boeing would have to be extremely ignorant to deliver anything less.


User currently offlineBoeing nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 13732 times:

Quoting Btriple7 (Reply 4):
Will the next version of the 737 be fly-by-wire? Also, will the next 737 have a fuselage width comparable to the A320 (18 inch seat-width).

I imagine that any short comings of the 737NG, what danm few there are, will be rectified in the "797".


User currently offlineLuisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 13705 times:

Interesting, though I do think that it will be probably 10 more years before a launch. Airbus still has plenty of life left on the A320, but they have to move fast.
If Boeing starts developing something in the next 5-6 years, airbus will have a lot of money spent on the A350, A380 and A400, and probably wont have seen a profit from anyone of them yet. This situation can give Boeing the upper hand when the next cicle comes in, although maybe it still is to soon. AA, DL, CO, WN, CM, GOL, etc still have brand spanking new 737NGs and I dont think they have in mind finding a replacement for another 10-15 years.


User currently offlineMaersk737 From Denmark, joined Feb 2004, 702 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 13665 times:

Quoting Luisca (Reply 8):
If Boeing starts developing something in the next 5-6 years, airbus will have a lot of money spent on the A350, A380 and A400, and probably wont have seen a profit from anyone of them yet. This situation can give Boeing the upper hand when the next cicle comes in,

Why does it give Boeing the upper hand?

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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6764 posts, RR: 17
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 13597 times:

Quoting Luisca (Reply 8):
AA, DL, CO, WN, CM, GOL, etc still have brand spanking new 737NGs and I dont think they have in mind finding a replacement for another 10-15 years.

Correct, but if they offered a new 737 that was compatable with the 787 and new generation 757, thenit might make the other airlines look in replacing their 757 and older "other" models which might included the 737s and MD80s.



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User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4105 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 13591 times:

Quoting Maersk737 (Reply 9):
Why does it give Boeing the upper hand?

Because Airbus is tied up in 3 major projects while Boeing is really only tied up in one. Furthermore, much of what Boeing is learning from the 787 project can be applied to the '797' just as it was applied to the 747Adv. Common sense dictates that Boeing is currently in a much better position to develop an aircraft for the 100-210 seat market than Airbus at this time.


User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12508 posts, RR: 46
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 13459 times:
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Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 11):
Because Airbus is tied up in 3 major projects while Boeing is really only tied up in one.

The 747ADV would really make it two for Boeing, and the A400 is being developed by Airbus Military (a separately managed company, so no issue with resources). The A380 is well past it's design 'hump' and of course, for Airbus, money is not a problem!  wink 

Both Airbus and Boeing will probably already have a very good idea what their respective replacements for the A320 and 737 will be like. Being first in this market (the biggest of them all) will make little difference in the long term. A significant factor in when either can produce a new plane is that of engine replacement for the CFM56 and IEA2500. Until one (but preferably two) engine manufacturers have new super-efficient engines of the right size, a new airframe is not much use.

In the shorter term, both have huge backlogs - so there's not exactly a lot of pressure. Both can take their time if they want to.

Just because WN is ready for a replacement for the 737, I don't see Boeing jumping to their tune. Where else will WN go for a more efficient plane?



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User currently offlineMarshalN From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2005, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 13418 times:

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 11):
Because Airbus is tied up in 3 major projects while Boeing is really only tied up in one. Furthermore, much of what Boeing is learning from the 787 project can be applied to the '797' just as it was applied to the 747Adv. Common sense dictates that Boeing is currently in a much better position to develop an aircraft for the 100-210 seat market than Airbus at this time.

The same can be said of whatever Airbus (if they choose) develops, using know how they've learned from making the A380 and A350. I don't see why this line of thinking should be applied to Boeing and not Airbus.


User currently offlineAirFrnt From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2826 posts, RR: 42
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 13343 times:

Quoting KLMcedric (Thread starter):
Southwest Airlines has asked Boeing to develop a new more fuel efficient
version of the 737-700.The new airliner must contain technical developments
from the 787 dreamliner and new engines.That's what WN CEO Garry Kelly
said in the "Seattle Times".
Although the current profits are secured for the short term, due to strategic
hedging of fuel, the CEO is worried about the future if oilprices keep rising.
A more fuel-efficient airplane will be necessary in the long term.
Kelly also states that WN is very happy about the 737-700 performance, but
now that the 737NG is 8 years old the time has come for a successor.

It's a bit early to be writing off the 737. I have no doubt that Southwest wants a 787 style plane now. If Southwest is able to commit to a large enough order for Boeing to break even on it's own, then Boeing would be stupid not to chase it.

On the other hand, Boeing makes a tidy little sum off of the 737, which has trounced the A320 this year, and over the entire lifespan of the 737 versus A320.

Quoting KLMcedric (Thread starter):
NW is the single largest operator of B737 by far, their demand won't
certainly not be neglected by Boeing.That means that if Boeing makes
a move for a new single-aisler, Airbus won't have the option to wait to long
to do the same thing.

Airbus would not have a option to wait if Boeing moved. The opposite is true as well.

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 6):
Nobody could possibly know this, but I will say that Boeing would have to be extremely ignorant to deliver anything less.

There are some different technical challenges in delivering a smaller plane. Most notably engines. That being said, after years of GE, RR and PW fighting over the high end market, I am sure they will drool at the possibility of a new 2000+ engine market.

Quoting Maersk737 (Reply 9):
Why does it give Boeing the upper hand?

Simply put, Airbus will have cash flow issues with three large issues. Assuming that Airbus doesn't pull a A310, they will have to repay government aid as well as production cost for each A380. Since they sold much of the first batch of A380s at a significant loss by almost all accounts, the cash drain will be significant.

Put it another way, as it looks more and more likely that the A350 is a new plane rather then a A330 regurgitation, Airbus has to commit more and more resources to a plane design. Assuming a 2010/2011 launch versus a 2008 launch for the 787, Airbus will be at least two years behind on the design curve. Also remember that the 747ADV is pretty well spec'd out already due to work on the various 747 configurations. Boeing has more resources to throw at this problem sooner, as well as a launch customer practically in the bag right now.

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 10):
Correct, but if they offered a new 737 that was compatable with the 787 and new generation 757, thenit might make the other airlines look in replacing their 757 and older "other" models which might included the 737s and MD80s.

The 787 is a replacement for both the 767 and 757. There will be no plane directly targeting only the 757.

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 12):
The 747ADV would really make it two for Boeing, and the A400 is being developed by Airbus Military (a separately managed company, so no issue with resources). The A380 is well past it's design 'hump' and of course, for Airbus, money is not a problem!

The 747ADV is really not a second plane. It's a slight strech of the existing 747, plus a lot of integration work (engines et all) by Boeing's partners. The A380 may be past the design hump, but it certainly is not past the payoff hump. Airbus will have trouble finding capital for any airplane project if they have two planes (A350 and A380) which have not achieved a decent return on investment when/if Boeing announces a new plane.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26449 posts, RR: 75
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 13273 times:

Quoting AirFrnt (Reply 14):
The 787 is a replacement for both the 767 and 757. There will be no plane directly targeting only the 757.

The 787 is a 767 and A300 replacement, not a 757 replacement.



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User currently offlineFlyBoy84 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 382 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 13199 times:

Quoting AirFrnt (Reply 14):
The 787 is a replacement for both the 767 and 757. There will be no plane directly targeting only the 757.

I've read somewhere in this forum that the next narrowbody plane from Boeing will have two different wing designs and will be built in multiple variations from 120 to 220 seats. The smaller wing will be for the 737-sized plane while the larger wing will be for the 757-sized plane seating up to 220 passengers.

This could be a great thing for Boeing since it will hopefully elicit the interest of carriers that fly 737s and 757s.  Wow! Wow...a 757-sized plane with a broader cabin cross section and wider seats! What next? A 737 sized plane that doesn't sit so low to the ground?

Go 'head, WN!! Push for that 737 replacement!


User currently offlineBomber996 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 13133 times:

Do you think this new 737/A320 replacement would yield any new aeronautical achievement not seen yet in commercial aviation. Something that's not the old fashioned tube and wing design, but maybe a flying wing, or something similar? I remember seeing Airbus' prototype models somewhere on here and some of the designs look really interesting. I really liked the A320 sized model with the V-wing on the tail. Think we might see something of this nature on this new replacement aircraft.

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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 13087 times:

Quoting Btriple7 (Reply 4):
Will the next version of the 737 be fly-by-wire? Also, will the next 737 have a fuselage width comparable to the A320 (18 inch seat-width).

Yes, I'm sure any new airliner will be fly-by-wire.

I do expect that the B737 replacement will have a circular fuselage similar in diameter to that of the A320 with a slightly greater cabin width. Not only are people around the world getting fatter, but airlines are willing to pay for slightly wider aisles to reduce turnaround times.

Quoting AirFrnt (Reply 14):
The 787 is a replacement for both the 767 and 757. There will be no plane directly targeting only the 757.

The B787 is arguably a B757-300 replacement. It is not a B757-200 replacement. I expect the next single-aisle Boeing to be a replacement for both the B737 and B757 -- probably by offering two different wings ala B787-3 vs B787-8. Ranges might be about 2500nm for the smaller-winged version and 5000+nm for the larger-winged version. The latter would further fragment the transatlantic market.


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 13035 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 18):
The B787 is arguably a B757-300 replacement.

The 290 seat 787-3 is not a replacement for the 220 seat 757-300.

N


User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 13030 times:

Quoting Btriple7 (Reply 4):
Will the next version of the 737 be fly-by-wire? Also, will the next 737 have a fuselage width comparable to the A320 (18 inch seat-width).

FBY Yoke - Don't expect a side-stick from Boeing, Standard 18.25-18.5" wide Seat (19-19.5" Center Seat) w/ 20" Aisle. Embraer and the BBD C-Series have raised the bar in cabin comfort for short haul. Possibly a T-Tail to support the engine diameter (think Twin Engine 727), or a high wing.

Roll out three models: 140, 160 and 180 seats. This would kill off all but the 100 seaters which are a non factor anymore and everything up to the widebodies.

[Edited 2005-09-13 18:50:37]

User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 12991 times:

Quoting FlyBoy84 (Reply 16):
What next? A 737 sized plane that doesn't sit so low to the ground?

Yes, the B737NG replacement is likely to sit at about A320 height. Modern engines are much larger in diameter than those of just 10 years ago.


User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 12958 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 15):
The 787 is a 767 and A300 replacement, not a 757 replacement.

Actually, it's a 757 growth aircraft. Markets that the 757 was purchased for 20 years ago are better suited by a more comfortable 243 seat version 787-3 today - this thing is a major cash cow for major market long haul (NYC to LAX, SFO and SAN) and 2500 mile range Hub to large city flights (ORD to SFO, LAX, SAN etc...). To get to 300 in the 787-3 you need 3+3+3 seating which would suck ass and shorten your range by 1,000-1,200 miles depending on Direction. The -3 is simply a widebody domestic longhaul comfortliner. You can even return to 34" pitch dumping 20 seats (223) and do very well financially. The Direct Replacement for the aircrarft itself would be a 180 seat 737 replacement. But as a "market replacement aircraft", the 787-3 is just that. It's operational cost falls directly between the 757-200 and -300. The -8 is even with the 757-300 and the -9 will have an operational cost that falls between the 767-200 and -300 with the seating roughly that of a 767-400.


User currently offlineANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3303 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 12867 times:
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Quoting Luisca (Reply 8):
on the A350, A380 and A400

A400? Am I missing something?

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User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 12807 times:

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 23):
A400? Am I missing something?

The A400M, is a Military Transport Aircraft. Which is being developed by Airbus Military SAS. This is one division of Airbus and not directly related to its civil projects.

The following link should answer your questions

http://www.eads.com/frame/lang/en/10...F00000000400004/6/03/31000036.html

Regards,
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25 Post contains images MrComet : Ha. Fools. Don't you know Airbus and Leahy are working on the A360 which is based on the fuselage of the A320. It's much better than the 797. It's a l
26 Ken777 : This one is going to be more interesting than the 787 where Airbus doesn't come in with a direct competitor. I have no doubt that both A & B are worki
27 N1120A : Given that these markets have been downgauged and not upgauged, in the past several years, and also have more LCC competition that cuts into loads on
28 Astuteman : I struggle a bit with this comment, seeing that the large majority of the A380 development cost must be spent by now, and yet Airbus have had no diff
29 Post contains images RoseFlyer : To be more correct, the people that know can't say because of Non Disclosure Agreements. Well Boeing has leaked that it is working on a 737NG replace
30 Luisca : Yes but this could all go to Hell if the EU looses in the WTO (wich is very likely) Airbus would be forced to pay back all of the "loans" and "launch
31 Boeing7E7 : It only seats 233 in 8 across and the range at 300 seats (9 across) and typical bags and cargo is under that of a 737NG (a max of about 2,500nm). To
32 AirFrnt : Take a look at the documented agrements for state aid. The aid has to be repaid on a plane by plane basis. In this way, if Airbus fails to sell plane
33 Post contains images Scbriml : Wrong! If, and it's a big one, the EU loses at the WTO, it will just ignore the WTO ruling in exactly the same way the US ignores multiple WTO ruling
34 Post contains images Gearup : Hmmm! Don't count on it. There will be no winner takes all and loser takes the fall in this competition. Of course the EU could simply ignore any unf
35 Luisca : Yes but then the US can put tariffs on Airbus Products. Imagine a 40% tax on all airbus products coming in to the US, no US airline would buy it. And
36 RedChili : I think you're quite right. I think there are four important things that many people tend to forget: 1. Some customers are very loyal to their plane
37 Post contains links and images BCAInfoSys : Guys.. I posted some very relevant information about this last week. http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eral_aviation/read.main/2314185/6/ Here's
38 Post contains images A350 : What about the Bombardier C-series? I know it's a bit smaller, but it's a new plane based on new technology and it's not a shrink as the A319 (Please
39 PHXinterrupted : Oh yeah, as if the EU isn't above twisting or ignoring WTO rulings. Please keep paying your taxes to prop up Airbus, thanks. lol
40 PillowTester : I doubt a single aisle aircraft from Boeing that doesn't share the same fuselage width as the 737 will be called a "737"... It wouldnt be a very simp
41 Post contains images Scorpio : And yet another well-informed and extremely useful post from phx... As for the 'keep paying taxes bla bla bla' comment: you made that a few days ago
42 Doona : If this becomes the 797, what's gonna be next? 7107? Cheers Mats
43 Astuteman : Airbus is ALREADY paying back these loans. Whitehatter has posted the information regularly straight from Treasury reports - A300 loans 98% repaid, A
44 DAYflyer : If WN is pushing for this, it is very interesting indeed; and yes it may well be the start of something at Boeing. An order of 100 firm and 450 option
45 Boeing7E7 : That sounds like: 70,80,90 Seaters (2+2) Say 2017 100,120,140 (2+3) Say 2015 140,160,180 (3+3) Say 2012 777 Replacement 2020
46 RedChili : Very, very interesting! My guess is that, when launching such a family, that Boeing will try to make them sound like they are totally new airplanes.
47 Boeing7E7 : This is why there will be zero announcement until after the 787 has flown and been proven to perform as anticipated.
48 LCH : Or, as the 787 is already a part of that new family of Boeings, how about the 181, 282, 383, 484, 585, 686, 787, 888 (The Chinese are gonna HAVE to b
49 BlueSky1976 : I seriously doubt that Boeing would get into the 70 - 90 seat RJ market. But if Mulally is saying that the new narrowbody will have two different fuse
50 LCH : If they are going with two different cross sections, wouldn't it be better to go for 2+2 and 3+3? By using 2+2 they could still make 100-130 seaters
51 Boeing7E7 : I'm thinking more a BBD buyout.
52 Post contains images BlueSky1976 : The 2+3 cross section would give much better cargo capability than 2+2. IMHO not going to happen. Boeing already had their hands tied after they took
53 AirFrnt : Not the size and prestige of Southwest. Southwest is the model for almost every local carrier that still makes money. JetBlue, Frnt, RyanAir, etc all
54 Post contains images Scbriml : As I said, the EU will ignore the WTO just like the US does. Which bit of that was difficult for you? I'm more than happy to make a tax contribution
55 RJ777 : YIKES! Boeing is getting on a roll here!
56 Adria : well I see you didn't visit a college did you? It does not go that way.....then (after your logic) the EU puts some "tax" on Boeing products and both
57 Post contains links Lightsaber : And if Boeing is smart, they'll do as in the 787 having the engines share a nacelle and interface for quick changes (leasing companies *really* like
58 AirFrnt : You missed my original point completly to parrot a argument that is strenous at best. Airbus is a political organization. A percentage of EADS is eve
59 PlaneDane : Why wait? Let's talk about it now. The Japanese built their factories using mostly their own money and with some assistance from their government. Th
60 Boeing7E7 : So the A-320 family is dead as well? They burn the same or more gas in every instance compared to the NG. Period.
61 Snaiks : arent that called winglets?
62 Lightsaber : I wouldn't say dead, but I would say its time for Airbus to offer a new airframe too. However, due to the taller landing gear, it would be easier for
63 Adria : Well the order backlog shows that Airbus builds the plane that the airlines want so the decision was absolutely correct. And if the 737/A320 replacem
64 DAYflyer : The mother of invention is the increasing price of jet fuel, or so it would seem these days.
65 Post contains images A350 : Remember that risk sharing partners are also profit sharing partners A350
66 Luisca : Stop trying to make me look stupid, for your information I am in college, I won't honor your insult with another insult, but if you had a little more
67 BlueSky1976 : Actually, A320 burns LESS fuel per passenger than 737-800. It the other members of A32X family that have bigger fuel consumption per seat than their
68 Post contains images RayChuang : I think WN is looking at Pratt & Whitney's recent developments in geared-drive jet engines, which offer substantial fuel economy improvements over the
69 Post contains links Oakmad : I'm not trying to be rude or anything, but that will not happen. As I type this George Bush is on CNN speaking at the United Nations, one of his topi
70 Oakmad : Oh and you say you don't want to be rude yet you come out with that! Its realize here in the US, yet most other english speakers spell it realise. Le
71 Eha : Plain wrong. From a systems point of view, A400M will re-use a lot of modular avionics concepts (IMA) developped for the A380. This also means from a
72 Luisca : If you read my statements I never said, THE US SHOULD TARIFF AIRBUS PRODUCTS!, all I said was IF, and a very hypothetical if, I don't want nor do I t
73 Adria : yes but Airbus (and also Boeing) is a global company. There are many US jobs that depend on Airbus so when you say put taxes on their aircraft you wo
74 Luisca : Read my post (72)[Edited 2005-09-14 17:38:41]
75 Post contains links and images GARPD : I've always consider WN to be the catalyst for the development of a 737 replacement, ever since I read Kelleher's comments regarding the 787. He said
76 Zvezda : Great job!!! The only flaw I can see is that the nacelles need to be even larger in diameter.
77 Post contains images GARPD : I would have said the same thing for the ERJ 170-195 It's not a perfect drawing, on reflection I need to re space the pax windows. There is too many
78 Eatmybologna : Not if Boeing builds flexibility into their designs. Better design? Just like the evolutionary A350 design (two years after) is better than the revol
79 FlyBoy84 : With the advent of the regional jet and even the E-jet, those days are pretty much over with for mainline jets. The original 737 was designed in an e
80 Zvezda : I noticed that. The cross section will be larger than that of the B737, but mostly in width. I think the B737's double-bubble cross section will be r
81 GARPD : Where there's a will, there's a way. No one though Boeing could strap the CF-56 onto the 737. I did not mean for nostalgia. The benefit of built in a
82 BlueSky1976 : I don't think Boeing will counter E-Jets. If they wanted to do it, they would speed up the development of their RRJ venture and "westernize" it. Boei
83 Gigneil : That's crap. Utter fabrication. N
84 Boeing7E7 : It's pretty much common knowledge bleedless type engines won't fit under the wings of the 737 or the 320.
85 GARPD : I'd like to see this information, fascinating.
86 Gigneil : I don't see what bleedless vs. bleed air has to do with it. It doesn't change the size of the engine. Clearly, the 737's CFM56 has constrained fan si
87 RedChili : It's really far too early to guess right now whether the 787 or the A350 will be the best design. Not one of those airplanes is actually built yet, a
88 A350 : What do you think about the following two-step strategy for Airbus: 1st step: make an A320NG with advanced engines, lighter fuse by using some more li
89 Zvezda : Certainly. Probably any future narrowbody from Boeing will be higher off the ground than the A320.
90 Boeing7E7 : The initial figures on the engine were a 757 type wing height for both a 737 and 320 replacement. The engines are significantly larger due to fan dia
91 Post contains images FlyBoy84 : I didn't mean you. There are other posters out there who do wax nostalgic and want to see a low-rider. Most airports nowadays use jetways, and those
92 AirFrnt : My uderstanding is that the 737NG has better fuel burn the the A320. Hence oil prices rising actually benefit the 737NG over the A320. That may be pa
93 Zvezda : It depends on the mission and which specific A320 variant is compared to which specific B737NG variant. Sometime the Boeing is 1% better and sometime
94 Areopagus : Boeing has talked about double-aisle small airliners, so it doesn't seem likely to me that they would do a 2+2. The reason that shrinks like the 736 a
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