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DL Connection EMB-170 Routes From SLC?  
User currently offlineBCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks ago) and read 3732 times:

I was just wondering which cities are likely to see DL Connection EMB-170 service from SLC? Specifically, SEA currently gets several CRJ-200s in addition to mainline service. Is there any chance of seeing an EMB-170 mixed in with the CRJ-200s on SLC-SEA?

If so, I will be going out of my way to be on one of those flights!

Steve

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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks ago) and read 3704 times:

Quoting BCAInfoSys (Thread starter):
Is there any chance of seeing an EMB-170 mixed in with the CRJ-200s on SLC-SEA?

Most likely not. The EMB-170s out of SLC will be used to open up new transcon routes, like CMH, BNA, IND, JAX, replace/supplement mainline and CRJs on transcons, like DTW and RDU, or for new Mexican routes like CZM or MZT. SO, unless there is enough time for a tag-on leg out of SLC to the West Coast, SLC-SEA E70 service isn't going to happen.


User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6791 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks ago) and read 3687 times:

Will we likely see the additions/substitutions on the 17Sep05 update?


Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3650 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 2):
Will we likely see the additions/substitutions on the 17Sep05 update?

Two new routes to skyTeam hubs.



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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6791 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3639 times:

using the E70?

That narrows it down SLC to IAH, EWR, MEM, MSP, DTW, CLE, & MEX..

And there are already flights to MEX, IAH, MSP, EWR, DTW.. so it must be CLE and ???



Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3420 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3626 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 4):
That narrows it down SLC to IAH, EWR, MEM, MSP, DTW, CLE, & MEX..

And there are already flights to MEX, IAH, MSP, EWR, DTW.. so it must be CLE and ???

...the only one you left out: MEM!


User currently offlineJkudall From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3583 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 2):
Will we likely see the additions/substitutions on the 17Sep05 update?

Yes.


User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3561 times:

I say bring 'em all on (E-Jets). Void the scope clause with the BK and put an end to suffering in 50 seat tin cans to markets more than ready for the comfortable 70 seaters.

User currently offlineDodgerslc From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3524 times:

Actually, Aeromexico will drop the SLC-MEX flight at the end of this week.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3483 times:

Quoting Dodgerslc (Reply 8):
Actually, Aeromexico will drop the SLC-MEX flight at the end of this week.

They are not dropping it. It is a seasonal service.



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User currently offlineDodgerslc From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3457 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9):
They are not dropping it. It is a seasonal service.

Is SLC-MEX becoming seasonal service? For the past 4 years the route was flown, it was year-round service.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17827 posts, RR: 46
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3459 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 1):
Most likely not. The EMB-170s out of SLC will be used to open up new transcon routes, like CMH, BNA, IND, JAX,

Does the E-170 have the range for that out of a airport like SLC? I've heard that the aircraft has about a 2 hour range with full payload out of an airport at 5000'...nevermind when it gets hot.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3333 times:

Quoting Dodgerslc (Reply 10):

Is SLC-MEX becoming seasonal service? For the past 4 years the route was flown, it was year-round service.

The route has not been flown for four years. It was launched this past January:

Houston, TX � January, 17, 2005 � Aeromexico, Mexico's largest airline, announced the introduction of new nonstop service from Salt Lake City International Airport to Mexico City. This new flight commenced on January 8, operating on Thursdays, Saturdays and Sundays.


It should be resuming next summer, though that can change.



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User currently offlineN685FE From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3313 times:

AeroMexico is pulling out of SLC, all of the station material and a/c mx parts have already been shipped out. I have heard that DL will pickup the flights. Their schedule did change now and then but they basically served MEX and HMO until the last six months or so. There is presently atleast one flt out of SLC on the EMB170, Republic I believe.


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3298 times:

Quoting N685FE (Reply 13):
AeroMexico is pulling out of SLC, all of the station material and a/c mx parts have already been shipped out. I have heard that DL will pickup the flights. Their schedule did change now and then but they basically served MEX and HMO until the last six months or so. There is presently atleast one flt out of SLC on the EMB170, Republic I believe.

Thanks for the news. I didn't even realize the SLC-HMO service had already ended, I though that was continuing. Too bad to see them end SLC service.



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User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3276 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 11):
Does the E-170 have the range for that out of a airport like SLC? I've heard that the aircraft has about a 2 hour range with full payload out of an airport at 5000'...nevermind when it gets hot.

It depends on the version. In a nut shell, they do fine at high altitude.


User currently offlineDodgerslc From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3177 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 12):
The route has not been flown for four years. It was launched this past January:

Houston, TX � January, 17, 2005 � Aeromexico, Mexico's largest airline, announced the introduction of new nonstop service from Salt Lake City International Airport to Mexico City. This new flight commenced on January 8, operating on Thursdays, Saturdays and Sundays.

No matter what the press release says, Aeromexico launched the route in December of 2001.

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/671354/6/

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/532839/6/


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Hopefully, they will relaunch the route with the EMB-170.

[Edited 2005-09-14 06:10:57]

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3137 times:

Quoting Dodgerslc (Reply 16):
No matter what the press release says, Aeromexico launched the route in December of 2001.

Thanks for the correction. What that means, then, is that those flight were dropped, and then re-started again in January 2005. The SLC-MEX flights didn't operate for some period in between that.

Quoting Dodgerslc (Reply 16):


Hopefully, they will relaunch the route with the EMB-170.

An EMB-170, with MEX's high/hot/dry runway, won't make SLC-MEX.



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3097 times:

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 7):
I say bring 'em all on (E-Jets). Void the scope clause with the BK and put an end to suffering in 50 seat tin cans to markets more than ready for the comfortable 70 seaters.

If only it were so easy, but regardless of that, I fully agree. The 70-seaters are more popular with the customers, and at the same time have a lower CASM, meaning everybody would profit from more 70-seaters. Well, except mainline pilots obviously .

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 11):
I've heard that the aircraft has about a 2 hour range with full payload out of an airport at 5000'...nevermind when it gets hot.

If that were the case, DL wouldn't have alreadyy announced SLC-CMH. The flights should be doing fine, maybe aside from a few cargo restrictions.

[Edited 2005-09-14 10:31:18]

User currently offlineWhiskeyhotel From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3044 times:

Didn't DL have plans to make SLC-MZT an E170 route as well? Thought I heard something about that. I hope so...would love to have a stopover in SLC for a bit of skiing before catching my first E170 flight for some sun in MZT.

User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3132 posts, RR: 21
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3002 times:

The 170 is being setup for SLC ops to CZM and MZT. They do all ready fly from DTW-SLC.


Sean from MCO and MKE



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User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3420 posts, RR: 16
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2999 times:

http://dms.dot.gov/search/document.c...m?documentid=345305&docketid=21724

DL/Shuttle America just got DOT approval for SLC-MZT...

Does this tie up 1 or 2 "slots" for US-Mexico service in a given market when a feeder carrier and mainline carrier joint apply?

I'm guessing it's 1...


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2965 times:

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 21):
Does this tie up 1 or 2 "slots" for US-Mexico service in a given market when a feeder carrier and mainline carrier joint apply?

I'm guessing it's 1...

You're correct in your assumption, mainline and regional partners count as two different entities. Hence why Frontier made a rockus when UA proposed to serve some DEN-Mexico route by both mainline and an Express carrier, or when DL decided to have ASA on the SLC-SJD in the off-season and mainline in high season. Thanks to that, DL won't have to fear competition from other US carriers on that route.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17827 posts, RR: 46
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2931 times:

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 15):
It depends on the version. In a nut shell, they do fine at high altitude.

What version is DL getting?



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17827 posts, RR: 46
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2935 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 18):
If that were the case, DL wouldn't have alreadyy announced SLC-CMH

I can think of quite a few routes that were announced with the knowledge that they would face payload restrictions...especially CRJ100/200/700 routes out of DEN like DEN/RDU.



E pur si muove -Galileo
25 PVD757 : By what you're saying, my assumption is wrong - the joint application takes both (2) available "US carrier" allotments on the SLC-MZT route away then
26 DAL767400ER : No, it is only one. While the application might be a joint application, Shuttle America will be the operating carrier on this route, operating as Del
27 PVD757 : Ooohh OK. I thought that DL was proposeing both Shuttle Anerican and mainline would be servicng the route...nevermind & thanks. Assuming by you name -
28 Jkudall : SLC-CZM will be operated with the 737-800. Edit to add: SLC-MZT will begin in March instead of December.[Edited 2005-09-14 19:21:07]
29 FutureFO : Not from what has been coming from Republic HQ. Sean from MCO and MKE
30 Post contains links Jkudall : http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/p81/341787.pdf BTW, SLC-CZM is over 2000 miles.
31 FlyPNS1 : If Shuttle America is going to fly the route, they will need to apply for it. Right now, DL has only applied for mainline to fly SLC-CZM. Shuttle wou
32 Boeing7E7 : 170-100LR/SE
33 FutureFO : Still within the range of the E170. Sean from MCO and MKE
34 DAL767400ER : Now what does the SE stand for, Special Edition?!? Thanks, though I only have my miles to worry about (and a possible future at DL in the long run).
35 Evan767 : Hey anybody know if RIC is getting any of these?? I doubt SLC-RIC would be profitable, but what about RIC-ATL or CVG? Any comments would be greatly ap
36 DAL767400ER : The E70s will not be operated ou of ATL nor CVG except the DTW-CVG roundtrip operated to increase utilization. However, should DL be able to ease up
37 ERJ170 : None at the CMH focus city besides SLC-CMH? BTW, what are the DL focus cities besides CMH?
38 DAL767400ER : CMH-JFK once daily. LAX, BOS, FLL, TPA, MCO, LGA, and somewhat also CDG, albeit not as much as AMS is for NW.
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