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The Andes Crash  
User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6594 posts, RR: 35
Posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4338 times:
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Probably there's been a thread already but I searched and came out empty. Most of us know the crash of the Uruguayan Fairchild in 1972 on the Andes Mountain range MDZ-SCL. What I don't know is the reason and the causes. Will anyone please explain? Thanks. We all know the rest of the tale but I'm not interested in that.

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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4303 times:

If I remember correctly it was pilot error, flew to close to the mountain. Controlled crash into terrain. Those people really gave new meaning to the word "survivor" Would love to see these stupid reality shows put people through that. Great book too, I own it and read it once a year.

User currently offlineRikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4303 times:

IIRC... the cause was partially due to poor visibility, and the pilots attempts to fly higher than the plane could in the conditions, causing the tail to come into contact with the top of a mountain range, causing the crash. IF you can find it, look for both the book about the crash, and also the movie documentary of "The making of 'Alive!'" (A movie about the making of the film, it has more information of the crash).

In any event, it is still a major miracle that anyone survived that crash at all.



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User currently offlineRikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4298 times:

Thanks for the correct info NIKV69, seems you beat me to it...more or less... What is the name of the book, by the way?


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User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4968 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4229 times:

Quoting Rikkus67 (Reply 2):
IIRC... the cause was partially due to poor visibility, and the pilots attempts to fly higher than the plane could in the conditions

I always thought that in addition to what you mentioned, the pilots thought they were flying somewhere else than where they actually were, therefore crashing into the mountain because they thought the mountain would not be there, and the poor visibility just made them not realize on time where they were

Quoting Rikkus67 (Reply 2):
In any event, it is still a major miracle that anyone survived that crash at all.

And that 2 of the survivors managed to hike through the mountains into Chile with no hiking gear or even proper winter clothes on. truly a miracle



Carp aunque ganes o pierdas ...
User currently offlineRikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4217 times:

Agreed with that, Ezeiza! Again, I do beleieve that that is the true reason behind the crash, the weather, and that they were off course.

Does anyone know how many of the survivors are still alive? I think I read that one survivor had "survivors guilt", and that he eventually committed suicide? Anyone know that story, or if it is true?



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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7653 posts, RR: 35
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4212 times:

Quoting Rikkus67 (Reply 3):
What is the name of the book, by the way?

If it's the same book that I have, it's called "Alive". The same title as the movie.



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User currently offlineJush From Germany, joined Apr 2005, 1636 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4169 times:

IIRC they thought they already passed the Andes thus trying to descent into SCL. Because of poor visibility and they flew too high they ended up in the Jetstream and thus they were not knowing that they were still in the Andes.
So they descended out of the clouds and the Jetstream nowhere near SCL and crashed into a mountain ended up in a glacier.


Or was this another crash?

Regards
jush



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User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4968 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4161 times:

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 6):
Quoting Rikkus67 (Reply 3):
What is the name of the book, by the way?

If it's the same book that I have, it's called "Alive". The same title as the movie.

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by the way, the book is much better than the film regarding the details of what these poor rugby players had to go through.

Quoting Jush (Reply 7):
Or was this another crash?

seems to be the same one  Wink

I found this interesting link regarding the entire ordeal. Really interesting

http://www.viven.com.uy/571/eng/historia.asp

regards



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User currently offlineMighluss From Spain, joined Oct 2001, 959 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4093 times:

Detailed info about the crash...

http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19721013-0



Miquel.
User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4078 times:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/tech_ops/read.main/127697/
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineMighluss From Spain, joined Oct 2001, 959 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4017 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 10):

ups! double threat... didn't see the other one!



Miquel.
User currently offlineJafa39 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3962 times:

Quoting Jush (Reply 7):
IIRC they thought they already passed the Andes thus trying to descent into SCL. Because of poor visibility and they flew too high they ended up in the Jetstream and thus they were not knowing that they were still in the Andes.
So they descended out of the clouds and the Jetstream nowhere near SCL and crashed into a mountain ended up in a glacier.

One of the pilots in the flight following the "crash" flight and who was asked to look out for them told me the story and it was as you have said.


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3879 times:

Quoting Rikkus67 (Reply 3):
Thanks for the correct info NIKV69, seems you beat me to it...more or less... What is the name of the book, by the way?

"Alive" "The story of the Andes survivors" Powerful book. Great reading!

Quoting Rikkus67 (Reply 2):
and also the movie documentary of "The making of 'Alive!'" (A movie about the making of the film, it has more information of the crash).

I am going to Google it but if anyone can tell me where to find it let me know!


User currently offlinePdpsol From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1120 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 3772 times:

Quoting Rikkus67 (Reply 5):
Does anyone know how many of the survivors are still alive? I think I read that one survivor had "survivors guilt", and that he eventually committed suicide? Anyone know that story, or if it is true?

As of 2002, all 16 of the survivors were still alive and living in Montevideo. They meet regularly for anniversaries of the event.

The two rugby players, Roberto Canessa and 'Nando' Parrado, who hiked out of the cordillera, alerted the authorities and led them to the wreckage of the Fairchild-Hiller FH-227 [basically, a US-licensed F-27 Friendship], have been quite active in public life. Roberto is a pediatric cardiolist and ran for president of Uruguay years ago, while 'Nando' is a rally-car enthusiast and used to host a local TV show on rally races.


User currently offlineAlphafloor From Chile, joined Jun 2004, 1277 posts, RR: 40
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 3712 times:

Due to bad weather and poor visibility the pilots went off track and hit the mountain with the tail.

I was born some months before that accident occured, I lived in Santiago with my parents at that time, they told me about this accident when I was very young. Hence I wanted to know more about it and my father bought the book "Alive" which is excelent as NIKV69 mentioned it. I warmly recommend it, by far more detailed and interesting than the movie. I've re-read it sometime ago. It is just incredible what those guys went through. I've also seen a documentary some month ago on french TV about it and there where interviews of some of the survivors like "Nando" and Roberto Canessa.

Alphafloor



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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 3679 times:

Other details that I recall:

At the time, airplanes limited to certain altitudes (non-jets) flying across the Andes were restricted to four passes. The pilots decided to fly over the southern pass, which required a long flight south, and then a right turn over the Andes mountain.

The flight west was the tricky part of navigation. The plane was supposed to fly over the mountains for a certain period of time, and turning right (heading north) towards the airport in Santiago over the town of Curicó.

Unfortunately, the pilots were gravely mistaken as to their true location. They indeed did turn north, but they were much further to the east, still in the middle of the Andes mountains. As they started to descend, they realized their mistake too late.

The co-pilot survived for a brief period of time. He was heard to repeat over and over "we passed Curicó...we passed Curicó". This led the survivors to believe they were much further to the west than they really were. When the winter was passing, and the conditions cleared, the two survivors who hiked out believed that at any minute they were going to descend into the valleys of Chile. While they did make it out, it took a lot longer than they thought.



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