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American Applies For JFK-Cabo San Lucas  
User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2745 times:

American Airlines applied to US DOT for authority to launch service between New York JFK and San Jose del Cabo on Feb. 4. It proposes two weekly 757 services during the high season and one weekly service during the low season.

I believe Delta applied for this route a few days back.

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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2704 times:

Quoting Juventus (Thread starter):
I believe Delta applied for this route a few days back.

And that's the only reason why AA applied for this route  Wink . Has already been discussed btw.


User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2684 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 1):
And that's the only reason why AA applied for this route . Has already been discussed btw.

Agree.


User currently offlineAA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2397 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2676 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 1):
And that's the only reason why AA applied for this route

Yes, Like DL has never done the same thing.  Yeah sure



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User currently offlineSemsem From Israel, joined Jul 2005, 1779 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2665 times:

I am sure the fares will be high.

User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2658 times:

Actually, I'm surprise AA only applied for JFK-Cabo. DL applied for a few Mexican routes out of Kennedy, I was thinking AA would match it.

User currently offlineDeltaGuy767 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 665 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2644 times:

My question is who will end up gertting the route? It seems that DL has more interest in expanding at JFK by applying for more new routes to Mexico and Latin America than AA, so wouldn't the DOT grant the authority to DL over AA? Granted I could be a bit bias in by statements but I don't believe that they are too far off base.

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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11816 posts, RR: 62
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2621 times:

Quoting DeltaGuy767 (Reply 6):
My question is who will end up getting the route?

That's the $64,000 question.

Quoting DeltaGuy767 (Reply 6):
It seems that DL has more interest in expanding at JFK by applying for more new routes to Mexico and Latin America than AA, so wouldn't the DOT grant the authority to DL over AA?

AA has been growing internationally at JFK lately, albeit not as much as DL has been growing overall, but the DOT doesn't award routes based on the number of outstanding route applications at any given moment.

Personally, I think AA would have a better chance of making the route work -- they have a much stronger presence on New York-Latin America routes than DL, and have much more traffic from New York to Mexico/Caribbean resorts. In addition, AA is proposing 2 weekly 757s during the peak winter season, while DL is proposing only one.


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2610 times:

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 3):
Yes, Like DL has never done the same thing.

Yes, as if I stated that DL never did that  Yeah sure .

Quoting Juventus (Reply 5):
Actually, I'm surprise AA only applied for JFK-Cabo. DL applied for a few Mexican routes out of Kennedy, I was thinking AA would match it.

Probably because SJD offers much better yield potential than the other routes that DL has applied for.

Quoting Commavia (Reply 7):
AA has been growing internationally at JFK lately, albeit not as much as DL has been growing overall, but the DOT doesn't award routes based on the number of outstanding route applications at any given moment.

Apart from JFK-NRT, what routes would that be? I'm not really up-to-date on AA's presence at JFK.

Quoting Commavia (Reply 7):
Personally, I think AA would have a better chance of making the route work -- they have a much stronger presence on New York-Latin America routes than DL, and have much more traffic from New York to Mexico/Caribbean resorts. In addition, AA is proposing 2 weekly 757s during the peak winter season, while DL is proposing only one.

Only that the DOT doesn't really care about frequencies. If that were the case, the DOT would have long awarded MCO-CUN to DL, because DL offered daily 738 service, vs FL's daily 717 service, vs NK's saturday-only MD-80 service.


User currently offlineLUV4JFK From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 462 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2589 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 7):
AA has been growing internationally at JFK lately,

Where? the only new flight announced was to Newcastle. Cabo San Lucas, if they get it, is just to keep Delta from getting it.

Delta is growing much faster at JFK than American, at least with their number of flights. Delta has more flights to JFK than any other airline, but only 3rd in passengers behind JetBlue and American. Too many RJ flights.

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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11816 posts, RR: 62
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2588 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 8):
Apart from JFK-NRT, what routes would that be? I'm not really up-to-date on AA's presence at JFK.



Quoting LUV4JFK (Reply 9):
Where? the only new flight announced was to Newcastle. Cabo San Lucas, if they get it, is just to keep Delta from getting it.

BRU, ZRH, YHZ, YYZ and NCL have been launched in the recent past or will soon be launched.


User currently offlinePlanemannyc From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1008 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2552 times:
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Please forgive my ignorance, but Is there a bilateral that says only one airline can be awarded a particular route to Mexico? Is there a possibility that both would get the route allocation?

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Wasim / Planemannyc


User currently offlineLUV4JFK From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 462 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2563 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 10):
BRU, ZRH, YHZ, YYZ and NCL have been launched in the recent past or will soon be launched.

BRU & ZRH has been flying for years. YHZ has been in operation at least a year. So, the only recent launch was YYZ 3 months ago.

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User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16892 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2475 times:

Quoting Planemannyc (Reply 11):
Please forgive my ignorance, but Is there a bilateral that says only one airline can be awarded a particular route to Mexico? Is there a possibility that both would get the route allocation?

The treaty only allows two US airlines on each US-Mexico route, currently CO flies year round from EWR to Los Cabos. EWR is part of the NYC market so only one more US airline can fly to Cabo from JFK or EWR, so it's either AA or DL but not both.

That's why AA can't fly to Mexico City (CO, DL) from JFK and DL can't fly to Cancun from JFK (AA, CO).

[Edited 2005-09-14 21:48:44]


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