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"Why You Should Fly The Big Airlines"  
User currently offlineCarmenlu15 From Guatemala, joined Dec 2004, 4757 posts, RR: 30
Posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8262 times:

Interesting read (and a harsh criticism of LCC's) by Joel Widzer, travel columnist:

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9342052/

Quote:
The future of American air transportation rides in the cabins of the nation’s big airlines. For more than 70 years, airlines like American Airlines, Delta Air Lines, and United Airlines have proudly served the interests of American travelers. Along the way, they have helped businesses earn trillions of dollars, worked with the government to secure our borders, and given travelers a way to explore the wonders of the world.

And what have they gotten in return? Travelers have taken advantage of airlines’ willingness to maintain competitive fares and repaid it with fleeting loyalty and indifference. At the same time, selfish labor unions have drained the big airlines’ coffers and predatory upstart carriers have poached their routes.

[...]

But when it comes to air travel, consumers toss loyalty aside in search of a better deal. I call this the “Southwest Effect” — the naive idea that the best deals will be found on Southwest Airlines, JetBlue, and other low-budget carriers, as well as on third-party Web sites. Not only do these better deals not exist, but this greedy strategy is wreaking havoc with the U.S. air travel industry.

In my opinion, it’s un-American.

Whenever travelers fly a low-cost carrier, they disrespect the contributions that the major carriers have made to the United States of America. Failing to repay the debt of gratitude we owe the major U.S. airlines is unpatriotic.

Opinions?


What do I know, I'm just an 'immature troublemaker with only a passing interest in aviation' (or so they say)
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User currently offlineJohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2586 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8234 times:

What next? When you don't fly the legacy carriers you're supporting terrorism?

User currently offline777PURSER From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 219 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8193 times:

Everything will fall into place in time. LCC's will start to encounter the same problems as the Legacies as they grow larger, overcapacity will go away along one way or another and low ticket prices that do not begin to cover operational costs will dissapear...eventualy...

User currently offlineLegacy135 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 1052 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8189 times:

Unfortunately this is not only a behavior of American consumers, it's also European and rest of the world behavior. The thing is everybody thinks only of it's own:
Customers go to travelagencies and ask for the cheapest possible flight. Then, when an accident happens, I remember this Flash Air crash in Egypt, Christmas one year ago, they start to cry and complain how it could have happened. Before? Nobody cares.
People complain in newspapers and in the Tv about the horrible working conditions with some LCC. Who makes this possible? The ones traveling by exactly those LCC, otherwise there was no need to employ that many people that bad.
If you offer one of those customers of the LCC for example a steak for .99$ they probably refuse to eat it, as they think it can't be possible to serve good meat for such a low price. But then, going to lease aircrafts for millions and millions of dollars, using hundereds of employees to fly them, burning today's expensive gas and finally selling tickets for 20 $ or Euros (none of them is better) they widely agree, that this is the absolute super deal. They never start to remember that somewhat with this product could be wrong.

I agree, that the behavior of those LCC travelers is unloyal, unsocial and finally not a very patriotic act.


User currently offlineBDKLEZ From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 1735 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8185 times:

Dear Mr Joel

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Thread starter):
The future of American air transportation rides in the cabins of the nation’s big airlines

I refer you to the current forum regarding DL and CHP11 bankruptcy.

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Thread starter):
But when it comes to air travel, consumers toss loyalty aside in search of a better deal

Because that's what customers do, it's their right. If they can get the same for less then why not...???

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Thread starter):
this greedy strategy is wreaking havoc with the U.S. air travel industry.

Sound business practices and canny use of clever marketing gimmicks have shown the shysters (read legacy carriers) how to really do business.

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Thread starter):
In my opinion, it’s un-American

Typical American nonsense. Dare it be said that a business wants to be profitable and make some hard earned money and isn't really interested in the greater good of every single American citizen. How bloody selfish and uncivilised of anyone who suggest it's un-American!!

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Thread starter):
Whenever travelers fly a low-cost carrier, they disrespect the contributions that the major carriers have made to the United States of America.

No they don't! See the section above re getting the same for less!
Passengers are consumers and as such are very fickle but very clever.

For the benefit of the greater LCC good (of which I am a part), I have submitted a request to the US Senate for the name of this journo twit to be changed by deed-poll to Mr Joel W@*ker! I await their response....

 irked   irked   irked 



Trespassers will be shot; survivors will be shot again!
User currently onlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5028 posts, RR: 44
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8180 times:

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Thread starter):
In my opinion, it’s un-American.

Whenever travelers fly a low-cost carrier, they disrespect the contributions that the major carriers have made to the United States of America. Failing to repay the debt of gratitude we owe the major U.S. airlines is unpatriotic.

What the??? Un-American??? Unpatriotic? What has this guy been smoking? Will he also say the same about rail travel? After all, the railroads DID have a big part in building America. Want to know about 'un-American'? How about bitching when one free enterprise beats another free enterprise, and demanding some sort of self-imposed protectionism by the travelers? Isn't THAT un-American?


User currently offlineBHXFAOTIPYYC From Portugal, joined Jun 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8144 times:

Err, right. So what would you call it when they stopped paying travel agents commissions? What happened to employees of the 30% of travel agencies in America that closed in the last 10 years? Travel agents only got paid when they SOLD something. Every travel agent was the airlines sales force. Along comes the Internet, and within 5 years it's "screw travel agents". Thanks for 50 years of partnership, but now take a hike. Right now AA, UA, UA pay me the same commission as B6 and WN - namely nothing, so do I have any interest if DL goes bust? No. Wonder what Joel Wizder has to say about that?


Breakfast in BHX, lunch in FAO, dinner in TIP, baggage in YYC.
User currently offlineLegacy135 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 1052 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8126 times:

Quoting 777PURSER (Reply 2):
Everything will fall into place in time. LCC's will start to encounter the same problems as the Legacies as they grow larger, overcapacity will go away along one way or another and low ticket prices that do not begin to cover operational costs will disappear...eventualy...

Agree 100% as the LCC normally start up on routes with high demand only. But their business is based on growing and they will come to the point where they will need to fly routes or at times, they won't fill the planes 80% or more. And then we shall see how history repeats....


User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8040 times:

Articles like this only push me that much farther away from the misguided American Legacy carriers that apparently need our conservative news media to lay a guilt trip on us in order to keep our business.

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Thread starter):
the naive idea that the best deals will be found on Southwest Airlines, JetBlue, and other low-budget carriers

I find the best 'deal' includes more than just the absolute lowest fare. Why worry about a mere $15-$75 when it gets me more legroom, a non-stop flight, better customer service, a better website, fewer restrictions, newer planes, a better safety record, and more refreshment options? And if the fare is ever a walk-up, well, you better hope there's an LCC that flies that route.

Quoting Legacy135 (Reply 3):
The thing is everybody thinks only of it's own

Spoken like someone who knows all about it.



Open Season on Consumer Protections is Just Around the Corner...
User currently offlineAntares From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 1402 posts, RR: 39
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8016 times:

A very sad but in a way funny article.

Let me see. The world's largest airline by passengers uplifted has been Southwest sinceI think May. And helped by BA's disastrous inability to crisis manage two years in a row at Heathrow, Ryanair carried more passengers than they did.

Among the airlines that have never had a fatal accident so far are Southwest, Ryanair, easyJet and JetBlue.

Among the airlines that can actually pay their bills, and pay their employees decent wages, and not cheat them out of their entitlements or pensions and the like, are Southwest, Ryanair, easyJet and JetBlue, joined by such well managed and in some cases very profitable carriers as Singapore Airlines, Cathay Pacific, Emirates and Qantas.

I am aware that some of these carriers did not have the generous schemes or arrangements that dead and dying legacies had, but surprise, those schemes aren't going to pay ever, and low paid people on Southwest are retiring multi-millionaires because they shrewedly invested in their own stock.

The service standards of the US majors are rubbish and far worse than I have experienced last year on JetBlue and some years ago on Southwest.

Ryanair however is by overwhelming reputation as expressed on this forum and elsewhere a mean spirited, hideous operation, perfectly aligned with the angst of customers who are into masochism...or something like that. At least there is significant choice in the US and European markets, so you pay your money and take the consequences.

The bitter and twisted person who wrote the story should be given hugs and kisses by his mummy and sent to bed with a hot chocolate in the hope that he will wake up wiser and happier.

Antares


User currently offlineCgnnrw From Germany, joined May 2005, 1150 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8004 times:

I agree with all those here that disagree with this guy.....I read his statement several times and I can only laugh. Even the most conservative, patriotic, American ain't gonna spend $50-100 more to travel a legacy carrier when there is a LCC offering it for this much less....Americans look at their wallot first. THAT'S the American Way.


A330 man.
User currently offlineCrogalski From United States of America, joined May 2005, 514 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7964 times:

Does he mention how some of the legacy carriers treated their customers like complete s##t, and how the LCC actually took care of their customers?

Sounds like this guy is an unamerican



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User currently offlineB744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7947 times:

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Thread starter):
At the same time, selfish labor unions have drained the big airlines’ coffers

Yes it's those damn employees again! Pay no attention to the management behind the curtain who get outrageous salaries and bonuses for making horrible decisions

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Thread starter):
and predatory upstart carriers have poached their routes.

Damn capitalism!!


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7475 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7922 times:

Quoting Antares (Reply 9):
helped by BA's disastrous inability to crisis manage two years in a row at Heathrow, Ryanair carried more passengers than they did

'Helped by BA's disastrous inability to crisis manage' (to quote Antares) they (BA) remain the world's most profitable airline. Bet that's a crisis the likes of Delta and Northwest would like as they enter Chapter 11.


User currently offlineThelowfarehero From Cayman Islands, joined Aug 2005, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7922 times:

What a load of sh*t. Where does this guy get the audacity to come up with such trash.


the “Southwest Effect” — the naive idea that the best deals will be found on Southwest Airlines, JetBlue, and other low-budget carriers, as well as on third-party Web sites. Not only do these better deals not exist...........

yeah, well if they dont exist how come AA charges $315.40 roundtrip from LAX to chicago, and WN charges $256.00 roundtrip...so better deals can't be found on LCC's?


In my opinion, it’s un-American.

can somebody dress this guy up like bin laden and drop him in the middle of a military firing exercise


Whenever travelers fly a low-cost carrier, they disrespect the contributions that the major carriers have made to the United States of America. Failing to repay the debt of gratitude we owe the major U.S. airlines is unpatriotic.

Well I bought a vehicle other than a Ford, GM, or Chrysler...is that disrespectful to they're contributions, and unpatriotic as well?



I HAATE AA!
User currently offlineNwafflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1050 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7884 times:

Those of us who are business travellers depend on the legacy carriers - if I am going from point A to point B on business, I MUST get there, and I need a carrier that will book me on another carrier, provide bus service, basically do what is needed to get me to my destination. I cannot take advantage of discount/LCC airlines unless I travel at least one day in advance, and even then, I still need assurance that I will get to my destination. Example:

last winter, I was ticketed on NWA FNT - MYR. The FNT flight was late, because of snow. I rebooked myself at FNT from DTW to CAE. Made it to DTW in time for the CAE flight (late Pinnacle flight), and that flight was cancelled due to crew time. I then re-booked DTW to CHS, and took that flight to Charleston. Yes, I arrived late, yes, I was tired after the drive, however, I was on site the next morning. With an LCC carrier, that kind of option is not available


User currently offlineAlphascan From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 937 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7847 times:

Joel Who? He has the logic of a twelve year old and has obviously never been in business.

If anything is anti-American its fighting against capitalist truths.

Just think what the American automobile industry would be selling today if in the '70s and '80s American auto buyers remained loyal to the Big Three who were selling inefficent and poorly manufactured products.

Competition forced the Big Three to improve efficentcy and quality in order to stay in business. The same holds true for the legacies.



"To he who only has a hammer in his toolbelt, every problem looks like a nail."
User currently offlineCgnnrw From Germany, joined May 2005, 1150 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7843 times:

Quoting Nwafflyer (Reply 15):
Those of us who are business travellers depend on the legacy carriers - if I am going from point A to point B on business, I MUST get there, and I need a carrier that will book me on another carrier, provide bus service, basically do what is needed to get me to my destination. I cannot take advantage of discount/LCC airlines unless I travel at least one day in advance, and even then, I still need assurance that I will get to my destination. Example:

last winter, I was ticketed on NWA FNT - MYR. The FNT flight was late, because of snow. I rebooked myself at FNT from DTW to CAE. Made it to DTW in time for the CAE flight (late Pinnacle flight), and that flight was cancelled due to crew time. I then re-booked DTW to CHS, and took that flight to Charleston. Yes, I arrived late, yes, I was tired after the drive, however, I was on site the next morning. With an LCC carrier, that kind of option is not available

It isn't about Legacy vs LCC...I fly both types. Sometimes I choose a Legacy for the same reasons you do...reliability, perks, etc and sometimes I choose a LCC because they simply are the best fare.... What the author implying is Americans have a patriotic duty to fly Legacy carries....that's simply absurd. The investors and employees for LCCs are what then....subversive???

Now when I worked for US Dept of State in the 90s, any employee who travelled overseas had to fly as far as possible on a US carrier. The reason? Taxpayers money should not go to a foreign airline....I can agree with that but what the author gives as reasons to fly Legacy carriers is way out of touch with reality.



A330 man.
User currently offlineNwafflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1050 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7811 times:

And yes, I have to absolutely agree with cgnnrw -- if I am flying (with time to spare) to a client, obviously I book on a LCC - same with vacation travel -- however, in no way do I agree that it is 'patriotic' to fly on a legacy -- of course, by the same token, nor do I agree that the New Orleans Katrina disaster is equivalent to the SE Asia tsunami from Christmas. Let's get our logic straight here

User currently offlineBDKLEZ From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 1735 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7808 times:

It's either his own site, or someone fancies him but check out...

http://jetready.com/

This is what he says on the webite above....

"First things first: Responsibility for the quality of your travels starts with you. Know what to expect from your airline, hotel, cruise line, tour operator or rental-car company, and you won’t be caught in a lot of misunderstandings. You’ll also learn where the benefits and perks lie."

...but then he says.....

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Thread starter):
Travelers have taken advantage of airlines’ willingness to maintain competitive fares and repaid it with fleeting loyalty and indifference.

.....I'm confused. what does he want me (the consumer) to do then?

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Thread starter):
In my opinion, it’s un-American.

...and the following is perfectly American then, is it? I don't mind the theory because after a disaster continued economic investment is key to sustaining viable business efforts. It's the title that upsets me, "Profit when they're not". I wonder how Joel if I would use such a statement regarding the regions of Southern USA recently almost completely destroyed by hurricane Katrina.

"Profit when they’re not. Opportunities are created by what I call “situational uncertainty.” This occurs when a country or region experiences a natural disaster, terrorist activity, political upheaval or economic depression. Often, the unexpected situation can make the location more desirable. After an attack on German buses in Luxor Egypt, for example, security forces were on high alert with few tourists vying for highly discounted $50 rooms in five-star luxury hotels overlooking the Nile. When a rare tsunami hit the Asian Pacific region, thousands of hotel rooms went empty, depressing prices and the local workforce. Supportive travelers got both a great deal and also helped locals keep their jobs and feed their families by pumping money into the local economy."

A few more quotes, and as far as I can see Joel is not the sort of guy who chooses to fly Legacy because he prefers it, but more the sort of guy who expects to fly Legacy for the cost of flying LCC but wants all the trimmings and extras at the same time and without paying for them. ie greedy, selfish, self-centred, self-opinionated....you get my drift!!

"The best time to ask for an upgrade is in the early afternoon on the day you arrive--typically before business travelers check in and snap them up."

"Cultivate lead gate agents, who have the most say over upgrades. When seeking a better seat, stay within sight of the podium so as not to be forgotten."

"Joel Widzer, Psy.D. Is Available for Interviews & Speaking Engagements"
..........no thank you very much................

The above quotes are taken from the website mentioned.



Trespassers will be shot; survivors will be shot again!
User currently offlineUal-fan From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 374 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7751 times:

This article really made me laugh. How can one have any loyalty to a Company that screws you over from the time you book your reservation to the time you land back on your home turf again (usually hungry and late)?

User currently offlineEspion007 From Denmark, joined Dec 2003, 1691 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7745 times:

I dont care what airline i travel as long as its the cheapest.

Signed,

95% of the flying public.



Snakes on a Plane!
User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5566 posts, RR: 36
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7728 times:

This is ridiculous. Aviation is business and has nothing to do with patriotism or gratitude. Either an airline works or it does not!

User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3496 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7704 times:

I seriously thought the article was a tongue-in-cheek joke. But then I realized he was serious. And that absolutely astounds me. I'm not going to refute his statements point by point (which could be done if I had a free day off work), but needless to say, based on this article, this guy does not understand the following subjects:
- Finance
- Economics
- The Airline Industry
- Business
- History
- Civics
- Psychology
- Human Behaviour
- Labor Relations
- Patriotism
- Truthfulness

Other than all of those subjects, he is spot on with his assessment.


User currently offlineBDKLEZ From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 1735 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7692 times:

It's no secret as it was posted on the website, but if you fancy educating this sick and sad individual, then please feel free to do so at.....

jwidzer@cox.net

...I know I'll be saying a few words!!

 taekwondo   taekwondo   taekwondo 



Trespassers will be shot; survivors will be shot again!
25 HZ747300 : The author of this piece is a socialist, and would prefer that everyone be forced to endure high prices and less service, rathern than letting you, th
26 DETA737 : What a bunch of bull. LCCs open up the market to people who often wouldn't have flown before. For instance if it had not been for the likes of Easyjet
27 Prebennorholm : Whining, whining, whining... Any business is a question about "value for money". Fifty years ago 80% of air travel was business travel. Today 80% of a
28 Post contains links BDKLEZ : I can only speak for my own company, but in terms of business travel, check out the following link.... http://www.easyjet.com/EN/News/business_travel
29 TUNisia : I don't really agree with the logic behind this article. People have a free will and will exercise their rights accordingly, if it makes sense or not.
30 Post contains images SATX : I'm going to write MSNBC and ask them why they are letting this guy have a voice. I thought he could no older than 15 years old with his silly comment
31 Thelowfarehero : I wouldn't go that far to say better. They are usually late, rude service, sh*tty food, and don't seem to be in a hurry to get you there on time.
32 Post contains images TUNisia : With regards to your username, are you employed by an LCC?
33 Post contains links GATechAE : Human rights campaign corporate equality index (The HRC Corporate Equality Index is a tool to measure how equitably companies are treating their gay,
34 HZ747300 : Hmmm, let's see, I've watched Airline, and I saw an openly gay employee preparing to go to an employee event. My guess would be, if he was in anyway:
35 YOWza : Wow I expect this kind of stupidity from Fox but I'm used to something a little less infatile and brash from MSNBC. YOWza
36 Post contains images WN2CMH : Our conservative news media??? That article was on MSNBC, one of the most liberal "news" organizations in America. It is just another attempt by the
37 SW733 : What if my loyalty IS to Southwest because they have treated me a LOT better then any legacy carrier ever has? I guess the writer didn't think about
38 ACDC8 : The author is a travel columnist. I wonder for how many flights he pays out of his own pocket?
39 Thecamel67 : Here was my email response to his article: I cannot believe your naiveté especially from a travel columnist. I am a 75kyr frequent flyer with 90% of
40 AussieItaliano : Oh, right! So, if flying the carrier that offers the best service at the lowest price is un-American, then let me speculate as to what is "American".
41 Post contains images CFCUQ : Hmmmmm why are we north americans flying at all, when we should be travelleing ( Trans-Alantic anyway ) with our ancestral carrier, the White Star Lin
42 MX757 : LCC vs. Legacy Boeing vs. Airbus Big 3 vs. Japan I can go on and on but my point is competition is at the very heart of capitalism. When there is comp
43 Post contains images Mandala499 : When an airline makes a profit... it pays tax... When an airline makes a loss, it gets tax credits... Flying on profitable airlines = taxes gets paid
44 CPH757 : jeez, this has nothing to do with patriotism, or the good-vs-the evil. The LCC is simply the markets way of revealing the preferences of the customers
45 Thecamel67 : So, Joel responded to my email, and quite quickly I might add. You have to give him points for that. Here is his full response: "Dear Jeff, Thanks for
46 Cornish : Well its easy for Joel to be harsh - I guess he doesn't get free flights or upgrades on the LCCs as he probably gets on some of the legacies as a trav
47 Post contains images PHLBOS : If history's any indicator, I don't recall Al-Qaida or any other terrorist organization using LCCs as a means to carry out their twisted plots of des
48 Cornish : Well thats bull from Joel If the US majors didn't exist, his neighbour could fly El Al to Israel, and maybe the likes of Mexicana, LAN or Varig to La
49 OttoPylit : He makes a good point. Who IS going to take you to Rio, in a First Class seat, for a very reasonable price? Answer: Not an LCC. But an LCC can get yo
50 Cornish : Varig?? TAM ??
51 Post contains images CPH757 : Any airliner that think it could profit from supply a first class (of a certain price/quality) product to Rio, at a price enough consumers are willin
52 OttoPylit : Your missing the point. $1300 for a first class ticket from anywhere in the U.S. to Rio is DAMN good, no matter who you fly. Delta can get you there(
53 SATX : In my view, they're part of the conservative wing of the media, along with CNBC, WSJ, Washington Times, Fox News, Clear Channel, etc. The liberal win
54 FLVILLA : I don't agree with the author of the article, I think that LCC travel has to some degree allowed more people to fly and see the world and there busine
55 Gritzngravee : You ever think about how much money he lost owning DL and NW stock? Please!!!!!! This guy bit the bullet in the stock market owning this crap stock an
56 Post contains images OttoPylit : Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't know we were in an essay writing contest. Let me re-write my post so that it looks like I know what I am talking about. My po
57 Post contains images Desh : Gosh this article is the biggest load of BS I have read all day ... the fact of the matter is that the business landscape has changed over the years -
58 Thecamel67 : My response to Joel's email: "Joel, Thanks for the quick response. Can't say that I totally expected a response let alone so quickly. I guess it was j
59 Robsawatsky : What this guy (original post) is really advocating is socialism for the legacy airlines and abandoning capitalism. Does he really think the majors pre
60 Mytravel330 : If it were not for the LCC,s a fair proportion would not be able to afford air travel, many moons ago before a lot of the LCC,S existed a certain Fred
61 Soaringadi : Amen! to dat article.
62 SWALoveField : Just like some people like to shop (and have the means) at Neiman Marcus and some prefer Target (low cost - quality products) people have the freedom
63 SATX : Which legacies? They all seem to be in relatively bad straits at the moment. Some legacies are treading water and others are bottoming-out. Right now
64 CPH757 : That's not my point. I agree with you that the LCC's can't do this. At least not with their current ways of business at this point of time. What I sa
65 Mandala499 : Interesting... I got an email from a Joel Widzer today... did anyone get one too? Since it was sent through an a.net "send user email" feature, I thou
66 OttoPylit : Ok, I gotcha. Then we agree on that. I'm talking about international flying. Most international flying is profitable for the majors, but their domest
67 SATX : If one part of your business is hurting and another part is making money, but the sum of those parts is a net looser, then you're still in bad strait
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