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757 And 737 Winglets At AA  
User currently offlineBoeing767mech From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1027 posts, RR: 3
Posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8008 times:

Just heard from someone that works for American Airlines that they just came out and said there going to be putting winglets on 20 757's and 1 737.

This was out on there company newsletter so I can't put it on a.net

David


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User currently offlineQQflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2282 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7979 times:

From Jetwire, AA's daily employee newsletter:

---NEW WINGLETS TO SAVE MILLIONS IN FUEL--- American Airlines will install winglets on 20 Boeing 757s and one Boeing 737 as part of an ongoing effort to cut fuel costs. Because winglets are most efficient at cruise altitude, the 757 was chosen because it flies American's longer domestic segments, such as its Hawaii routes. The 20 Boeing 757s are expected to save up to four million gallons of fuel per year, resulting in the winglets paying for themselves through fuel savings. Installation will be done at the Tulsa base, where dock space and labor resources have been made available though joint management-union "Working Together" and "Continuous Improvement" initiatives. The first winglet-equipped aircraft should be in service in late 2005 and all should be flying by early 2007.



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User currently offlineLooneyToon From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 444 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7909 times:

Why are they putting the winglets on one 737?


LooneyToon
User currently offlineQQflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2282 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7887 times:

Quoting LooneyToon (Reply 2):
Why are they putting the winglets on one 737?

I wondered the same. My guess is to test how much efficiency they can get out of the winglets. AA has been studying winglets for a very long time and they haven't been sold in the past on the data. This gives them the opportunity to come up with their own numbers and go from there.

The 20 757s isn't unexpected as AA has been toying with the idea of launching new trans-Atlantic service on reconfigured 757s that are winglet equipped to help increase range. This is just one more step in that direction, in my opinion.

[Edited 2005-09-15 02:08:21]


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User currently onlineBtriple7 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1161 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7865 times:

Does anyone know if the 767 is close to winglet certification?


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User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7840 times:

I wonder if that one 737 is the Retro Jet, or did they paint that bird back into the everyday livery? I'm curious to know which 20 757s will get the winglets, as well as that sole 737. Regards.


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User currently offlineBomber996 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7811 times:

Sweet. Another batch of 757's to proudly wear those winglets. Hope these work well for American, and the entire fleet one day has them (wishful thinking on my end  sly  ).

Peace  box 



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User currently offlineIrev210 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 36 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7595 times:

Good to see, I personally thing it is something they should have done 3 years ago, but nice to see that it is being done.

User currently offlineCOERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7500 times:

Can winglets be installed on MD80 aircraft? I just think it would look intresting to see them with winglets.

User currently offline797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1895 posts, RR: 27
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7478 times:

Quoting Bomber996 (Reply 6):
Sweet. Another batch of 757's to proudly wear those winglets. Hope these work well for American, and the entire fleet one day has them (wishful thinking on my end ).

Yeah! I agree with you. And if those winglets look nice on normal 757s, imagine them on AA ones! Hope they work for them!

Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 8):
Can winglets be installed on MD80 aircraft? I just think it would look intresting to see them with winglets.

Wow! I don't think it would look nice, and probably it's not longer necessary. And by the way, is AA thinking about retiring those aircraft?



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User currently offlineAAR90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3474 posts, RR: 46
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7427 times:

Quoting Bomber996 (Reply 6):
Hope these work well for American, and the entire fleet one day has them (wishful thinking on my end ).

I would expect that will eventually happen (AA no longer likes multiple sub-fleet types), but the overriding issue would be how much $$$ and when to pay that $$$ (and how quickly the return on the investment is realized).

Quoting Irev210 (Reply 7):
I personally thing it is something they should have done 3 years ago

3 years ago AA did not have the available cash to spend. With over $5+ BILLION per year in operational savings already made, the "easy" cost cutting is over and management is moving on to areas where they need to invest money in order to save money (they've been doing some fuel hedging this year). Only problem is how much to invest, when to invest and when (how fast) will AA recoup the investment. Winglets on 752's will return the investment quicker than winglets on 738's (752 flys much longer average stage lengths). I suspect the 20 B752 number came from the number of planes required to regularly fly extended overwater routes (i.e. Hawaii, South America, Europe) and the 1 738 was to provide a test bed for actual fuel figures using actual AA route segments.



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User currently offlineNYCAAer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 692 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7346 times:

I can understand using the winglet-equipped 757s on new routes to secondary destinations in Europe out of JFK, but there's an ugly rumor running rampant among the JFK-based flight attendants that AA wants to put the 757 on JFK-CDG. Ick. CO is doing that on one of its EWR-CDG flights, but the other is a 777.

I don't know how we'd be able to downgrade JFK-CDG with the loads we have in Business Class on the 767-300, not to mention all the cargo. We can't downgrade ourselves out of the market. Hopefully this is just a stupid rumor with no factual basis.


User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7316 times:

Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 5):
I wonder if that one 737 is the Retro Jet, or did they paint that bird back into the everyday livery?

The Astrojet 752 was repainted a little while ago back into the current AA livery.

Quoting 797 (Reply 9):
Yeah! I agree with you. And if those winglets look nice on normal 757s, imagine them on AA ones! Hope they work for them!

The difference between a normal 757 and an AA 757 is?


User currently offlineBluewave 707 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3152 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7322 times:

It seems that AA has seen the light about the benefits of winglets, a few years late, but better than nothing I guess.

It surprised me that the majors with 737NGs (CO, DL, and AA) along with FL took so long to have winglets installed. Well ... DL has still missed the boat. Can you imagine how much fuel these guys might have saved? Or even the money?

Will AA paint the winglets with AA logo? Or stripes? Please do not leave them grey! Can't wait to see the 75Ws @ HNL!



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User currently offlineCOEWR From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 273 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 7104 times:

Good news to hear. Now three majors have winglets on 757s...CO, AA, UA...

 Wink

lol...

-C

ps...for those of you who don't understand sarcasm, that's it....


User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3247 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 7076 times:

Quoting QQflyboy (Reply 3):
Why are they putting the winglets on one 737?

I wondered the same. My guess is to test how much efficiency they can get out of the winglets.

I'd be surprised if the reason is anything else than a test, as flyboy said. Could it be that, with purchasing 20 kits of the B757s, they were given one for the B737 for free (or as a loan) to see whether they'd like it?

Tony

[Edited 2005-09-15 16:39:11]


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26499 posts, RR: 75
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 7075 times:

Quoting QQflyboy (Reply 3):
I wondered the same. My guess is to test how much efficiency they can get out of the winglets. AA has been studying winglets for a very long time and they haven't been sold in the past on the data. This gives them the opportunity to come up with their own numbers and go from there.

I really don't know why AA wouldn't be sold on the largest 737 operator in the world telling everyone how much the savings are

Quoting Bluewave 707 (Reply 13):
It surprised me that the majors with 737NGs (CO, DL, and AA) along with FL took so long to have winglets installed.

FL didn't take all that long if you think about it. Also, DL is not yet getting them. Remember too that WN took quite a while to warm up to winglets.



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User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 7073 times:

Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 5):
I wonder if that one 737 is the Retro Jet, or did they paint that bird back into the everyday livery?

N951AA is still in the retro livery  Smile


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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5192 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 7058 times:

Quoting COEWR (Reply 14):
Good news to hear. Now three majors have winglets on 757s...CO, AA, UA...


BWHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA
I forgot UA put winglets on one 757 to save fuel on the flights to Walla Walla.



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User currently offlineLuisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 7048 times:

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 12):
The difference between a normal 757 and an AA 757 is?

Normal 757's look great, AA's 757's are Gorgeous, the most beautifull airplane out there.


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User currently offlineGQfluffy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 7008 times:

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 12):
The difference between a normal 757 and an AA 757 is?

Well...could be one of two things. Either 797 really likes the looks of the PW-powered 757s, or he is referring to 757s that actually have PAINT on them...


User currently offlineAA777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2544 posts, RR: 28
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 6931 times:
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Quoting Bluewave 707 (Reply 13):
Will AA paint the winglets with AA logo? Or stripes? Please do not leave them grey!

I expect they will be grey, but with part of the winglet painted w/AA's Red, White & Blue stripes, a la MD-11 of AA's Past.

-AA777


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 6886 times:

Quoting NYCAAer (Reply 11):
there's an ugly rumor running rampant among the JFK-based flight attendants that AA wants to put the 757 on JFK-CDG. Ick. CO is doing that on one of its EWR-CDG flights, but the other is a 777.

its not their job to decide fleet utilisation.... Wink

Quoting Luisca (Reply 19):
Normal 757's look great, AA's 757's are Gorgeous, the most beautifull airplane out there.

AA's 757 are definitely the best looking 757's out there...bar none... yes 



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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 6882 times:

Will be good to see AA 757s with winglets at NCL  Smile


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User currently offlineAKelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2193 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 6845 times:

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 12):
The difference between a normal 757 and an AA 757 is?

Paint!


25 Post contains links Bluewave 707 : The MD-11 is the only type with the tab on the bottom part of the winglet. http://www.airliners.net/open.file/193816/M/ The APB Blended Winglets do n
26 DAYflyer : Thursday September 15, 2:00 PM EDT SEATTLE -(Dow Jones)- AMR Corp. (AMR)'s (AMR) American Airlines bought from Aviation Partners Boeing (BA) blended w
27 NYCAAer : No, it's not. However, it IS a decision which directly affects our quality of work life. The JFK-CDG flight is full of passenger drama on the 767-300
28 Post contains images Mikephotos : Some AA 757 winglets.... Mike
29 Post contains links and images AsstChiefMark : Here's what a NW DC-9 looks like with winglets. Mark
30 797 : I think that AA's livery on the 757s is one of the best-looking ones, it fits very well on the aircraft. Just my personal opinion. By the way, cool p
31 Post contains links and images KFLLCFII : Yeah, they will definitely look sharp on these already-beautiful birds: View Large View MediumPhoto © Bryan Peterson Can't wait!
32 Post contains images Jacobin777 : how is the JFK-CDG route coming along? I was planning on taking it last month but wound up taking AA's JFK-LHR (AA142) route on a 777-200ER instead..
33 Ckfred : I read in an article in the Chicago Tribune that AA was hesitant to install winglets on the 737 fleet for two reasons. First, there was the cost of in
34 Post contains links and images Lightsaber : What's the point of saving 3% to 7% (benefit of winglets) when the engines have a TSFC of 0.737* or > 25% more fuel consumption than a modern engine.
35 Syncmaster : I'm not sure if AA owns or leases their birds, but if they own them, then it's a good chance the payments on them have either ended, or will soon. Th
36 NYCAAer : Last I knew, it was doing okay. Both flights are still full most of the time- load factors in the 85-90% range. We have so much cargo that our cargo
37 797 : Yeah, I keep asking myself when are those aircrafts going to be replaced on AA. They should think on investing on somethin new. But we have to keep i
38 DfwRevolution : >> Yeah, I keep asking myself when are those aircrafts going to be replaced on AA. They should think on investing on somethin new The problem is, AA
39 Commavia : When AA has the $8B to buy 340 new 737s. It won't be nearly that dramatic. Many of AA's MD80s (the ex-TWA aircraft) are less than 10 years old and st
40 N1120A : AA's 757s are RR powered I really doubt they would put a 757 on that route, particularly if the cargo loads are what you say Given the 757's limited
41 Tjwgrr : LOL- but pretty cool! Nothing would surprise me. EAGAN, MN (AP) Northwest Airlines announced today plans to outfit 75 DC-9-30's with blended winglets
42 GOAQ : I always joke about the MD80s being retrofitted with winglets one day and start flying transcontinental flights....Hmmmmm...I Don't rule out anything
43 Birdbrainz : In theory, yes. However, a re-engined MD80 was already tried, and it was called the MD90 (aka 717). There was another poster (who worked as a mechani
44 Post contains links SNATH : The MD90 and the B717 are actually different planes (the B717 designation was originally the MD95): http://www.airliners.net/info/stats.main?id=110 h
45 Tavong : Well since the MD-90 is basically a Reenginded MD-80 in the complex way is a very different plane, different avioncs and you don't have a MD-90 just
46 Ckfred : A friend of mine at AA thinks that AA will eventually replace 40 to 60 MD-80s with 737-800s, but that the rest of the fleet will probably be replaced
47 LMP737 : The biggest problem with the ex-Reno MD-90's AA had was with the electrical system. Very troublesome system, one of the main reasons actually the MD-
48 N1120A : WN has hedged fuel and ordered their's before fuel started skyrocketing, so that really doesn't make sense. To say that $1 million dollars wont be pa
49 Post contains images Birdbrainz : First, a very sincere thank you to the other posters above for educating me on the MD90/95 and B717 differences. This is a very sharp crowd. I was hop
50 Post contains images AAR90 : As previously mentioned, AA made the decision to install winglets on its 738 fleet more than a year ago. The issues delaying implementation were WHEN
51 N1120A : Ok, here it is. AA has 250 757-200s and 737-800s. APB charges around $1 million per airplane for the winglets, and I am sure AA would get a great dea
52 Longhornmaniac : If AA does indeed begin using refitted 757s on trans atlantic flights, especially as a substitute to 763s, what would AA likely do with the 763s? Woul
53 Blink182 : Given that AA has shown a preference to use winglets on 757s in order to operate longhaul flights economically(or period), would it not be concievable
54 Post contains images AAR90 : AA does not have "the cash position to do it." $3 billion in the bank, but you can't just go spend it because it is there. You need a hefty bank bala
55 DFW13L : I heard they are studying replacing the 22 domestic first class seasts with a dozen or so int'l business class seats like in the 767/777 for some tra
56 DFW13L : Yes, 2 767s per day JFK-CDG. AA 44 and AA 120. Not answering your JFK question, but just pointing out that AA opted out of their second 767 DFW-CDG t
57 JayDavis : There was a very cool show last night (Saturday night) on the Fine Living channel about very exclusive private jets. The very end of the program was a
58 Fpofllflyboi : Yeah, I wonder too. Maybe the ones they originally had or the ones aquired from TWA. Maybe 50/50.
59 Ckfred : N1120A: I'm only repeating what I read in the article. At the time, AA's cash balance wasn't as high as it is now. Oil was trading in the 40s, and ana
60 Lrgt : They did not inherit them; they were immediately sold to AirTran. You will notice these aircraft in the AirTran fleet because of the different/darker
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