TacSupport1 From United States, joined Jul 2005, 39 posts, RR: 0 Posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1731 times:
I'm curious as to what Delta's bankruptcy means for Song?
It's always been my impression that Song has been doing well, fed in part by those who want to fly jetBlue/want to have a new generation flying experience, but have to use or want to earn Delta points.
Now, will Delta spin off Song into a seperate entity, or try and sell them as a single unit? Or, does Song go where Delta goes, wherever they may end up???
TinPusher007 From United States, joined Feb 2005, 938 posts, RR: 3 Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1575 times:
Quoting WDBRR (Reply 3): hope they replace Song with Delta mainline, it always seemed like a phony Jetblue imitation. I really don't like the colors and name.
That would be the WRONG thing to do. Have you ever flown song? The simple fact is that the song product stands HEAD & SHOULDERS above the mainline product. Mainline needs to be replaced by song service, but with the Delta brand.
"Flying isn't inherently dangerous...but very unforgiving of carelessness, incapacity or neglect."
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 61 Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1282 times:
Song is not a seperate company or airline or even a divison of Delta, its a marketing product........some of DL's flights are operated under the Song brand. Thus, if DL is bankrupt, so is Song.
Its too early to tell exactly what impact the DL bankruptcy proceeding will have regarding the Song flights - we may see more flights/routes converted to Song as DL tries to cut costs and reorganize in order to be able to compete more strongly. Pax seem to like the Song product - its likely that Song will remain part of the Delta product offerings.
Uadc8contrail From United States, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 14 Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1277 times:
song will have the same outcome that ted had at ual....expansion.....
Kaniksu From United States, joined Apr 2005, 202 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1208 times:
Quoting WDBRR (Reply 3): I hope they replace Song with Delta mainline, it always seemed like a phony Jetblue imitation. I really don't like the colors and name.
That was the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Why would anyone want Delta to do that? Because you don't like the colors and the name??? What about the actual product? And who cares if it was a 100% rip off of JetBlue, people seem to enjoy their product as well? Correct?
I guess you have something against PTV's in every seat, lower costs, live tv, movies, etc etc etc.
And btw... I love the colors of the planes, it's so much different then all of the other planes I've seen.
ERJ170 From United States, joined Apr 2004, 5747 posts, RR: 21 Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1198 times:
If anyone is able to whisper in someone important's ear..
tell him. Song good. More colors. Smaller aircraft. Less RJ.
I mean, does RDU really need 8 RJ to MCO or would 3 Song 738 + 1 RJ or 5 Song E70 make more sense? It may be an increase in seats, but that's okay by me..
FLAIRPORT From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1033 times:
Will Song be effected at BDL? I am worried becuase I live in FLL but am in BDL for college and my not have nonstop flights home if they cut BDLs song service.
And I would like to see the song product turn into a Delta product. AKA, not as much of the SONG stuff, but the food, PTVs, etc without the record label and stuff...oh, and give the FAs real uniforms!
DeltaMIA From United States, joined Feb 2004, 1665 posts, RR: 23 Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 975 times:
Quoting FLAIRPORT (Reply 13): Will Song be effected at BDL? I am worried becuase I live in FLL but am in BDL for college and my not have nonstop flights home if they cut BDLs song service.
No in fact BDL is getting more mainline service.
Initially no Song markets are being lost and I highly doubt any will.
It's a big building with patients, but that's not important right now.
I used to think the same thing about Song - until I actually flew them. Most people who make statements on here haven't flown the airline they're attacking, although it is not always the case and might not be here.
However, I've flown Song a few times now between PBI-LGA, BOS-PBI, JFK-PBI (2) and PBI-JFK. I have to say, I really enjoy their service. I thought the whole Southwest-like flight attendant schpeel is a little silly and I admit, the planes look kinda silly, the service is good and I have had no problems.
In any event, I know most people don't like it because maybe they have to pay for food or whatever - but the fact remains - good meals are a thing way of the past on board any airline. I can tide myself over for a few hours. The TVs are nice, too, but I also can read and am not some American with a short attention span - the same who needs a TV/DVD player in their car - because they need to always be entertained. I simply like a safe ride, good service and friendly staff and Song provides this.
On the other hand....TED. This service was horrible on my last flight from IAD-FLL. Some gay flight attendant having an obvious bad day, giving people attitude - a musty old interior - which I thought I was on a 727 or DC-8 rather than a 320 - and the earphone jack not working so I couldn't even listen to Channel 9. Overall, their service was poor - the aircraft was unkempt and I hope I never get stuck on one of those planes again.
Floris From Netherlands, joined Jun 2003, 242 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 776 times:
Quoting WDBRR (Reply 3): I hope they replace Song with Delta mainline, it always seemed like a phony Jetblue imitation. I really don't like the colors and name.
The Song product is far superior to the Delta product. Delta mainline should be replaced by Sony (perhaps under the Delta brand) for domestic flights.
Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 6): Song is not a separate company or airline or even a division of Delta, its a marketing product
If Song is not a separate company, then why does DL call it a "100% subsidiary" in its press release on the Chapter 11 filing? Sounds like a separate company to me. According to the same press release, Song (as well as all other subsidiaries) is part of the Chapter 11 filing.
Thelowfarehero From Cayman Islands, joined Aug 2005, 144 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 772 times:
Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 15): Perhaps SONG shoudl replace DL domestically and have DL just run the international service
I would agree with this to a certain degree. DL should be used primarily in the international market expanding to other revenue genertating international cities, keep a mild presence in the domestic market serving less cities with less fequency, and using the Song branding on high traffic routes like (LAX-JFK, LAX-BOS, JRK-FLL etc etc etc....)as well as modeling themselves on a WN style service with smaller outlying airports with a 1 aircraft type(757) service. Scrap the SLC and CVG hubs and use other cites like LAX, JFK, FLL, and CVG as focus cities. Keep the 763, 764, and 777 for int'l services, keep the 738 for domestic and short/med range int'l, and park the MD80/90's and scrap the shuttle service to let song fill the routes.
Delta4eva From United States, joined Jan 2005, 344 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 684 times:
The future of DL domestic service is going to be more point to point flying. This is apparent with the new reduction of the CVG hub. There are just too many hubs in the country right now. Some hubs I believe will always work such as ATL, ORD, SFO, LAX, EWR, MIA, DFW, JFK due to their geographical location. Maybe you can throw DTW or IAH in there. Domestic profit is being made with point to point flying and low operational costs (i.e. SW, FL, B9).
DL is using Song for a majority of its point to point flying. Song will definitely expand, but at a point, DL will decide to modify all of their domestic network into Song, and the Song brand will not be needed. The DL name will prevail but will look more like the Song product domestically. DL has already adapted many of Song's perks, such as leather seats. I'm sure that DL would convert the entire fleet into the Song brand (keeping first class for business destinations) if it had the money to install PTVs in each seat.
FLAIRPORT From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 639 times:
Quoting Jetpixx (Reply 17): I thought the whole Southwest-like flight attendant schpeel is a little silly and I admit, the planes look kinda silly
I don't have a problem with the planes...however my problem is the FAs...I have had an expirence with FAs who care and were funny yet good...and I have had expirences with FAs who could care less! They need consistancy on that part IMHO.
RobertS975 From United States, joined Aug 2005, 665 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 557 times:
Quoting Floris (Reply 18): If Song is not a separate company, then why does DL call it a "100% subsidiary" in its press release on the Chapter 11 filing? Sounds like a separate company to me. According to the same press release, Song (as well as all other subsidiaries) is part of the Chapter 11 filing.
Song is just part of DL pure and simple. There is no separate corporation. Song flights are called by their DL flight numbers by ATC. Song flights are operated under Delta's operating certificate. Song flights are flown by DL pilots. The Song 757s are registered to Delta and maintained by DL mechanics.
So Song is just a part of DL, not a true subsidiary. Comair is a separate corporation whose stock is 100% owned by DL. Comair has its own operating certificate.
Srbmod From United States, joined Mar 2001, 14184 posts, RR: 61 Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 548 times:
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Considering DL is planning to expand their international flying, I wouldn't be surprised if Song gets scrapped and some of those 752s get ETOPS certified. Song never really was something Grinstein really was gung ho about, and is probably on the top of the list of things to do something about. They should just put some of the amenities on Song into the mainline product, like the IFE system. While the mainline experiment with B.O.B b-o-m-b-e-d, perhaps doing a preorder system like Song offers, but actually offer a form of a hot meal.
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