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Freedom Air To Drop Melbourne  
User currently offlineVHTAE From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 194 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3525 times:

According to the Freedom Air website they will withdraw operating all services into Melbourne from late March 2006.

Check out www.freedomair.co.nz/en/about-us/news.jsp

VH-TAE.

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User currently offlineHalophila From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 646 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3506 times:

Sorry to see the routes fail. Honestly can't imagine they did that much business on their MEL - Palmerston North service. Were airfares on this run priced cheaper than say MEL/CHC, MEL/WLG or MEL/AKL?


Flown on 707, 717, 727, 732 733 734 735 73G 738 739 741 742 743 744 74SP 757 753 762 763 772 773 77W D10 DC9 M11 M80 M87
User currently offlineSthPacific787 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3464 times:

Is this part of the new rationalisation between Air NZ and Freedom? Does this mean Air NZ is going to fly international from Dunedin, Palmerston North and Hamilton?
I'm not at all sure how they are going to blend the two.....


User currently offlineMr AirNZ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2002, 878 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3446 times:

Quoting SthPacific787 (Reply 2):
Is this part of the new rationalisation between Air NZ and Freedom? Does this mean Air NZ is going to fly international from Dunedin, Palmerston North and Hamilton?
I'm not at all sure how they are going to blend the two.....

Details being worked out at the moment. Most of the issues relating to crewing have been sorted. MEL simply didn't have the loads. Pure and simple. Nothing to do with the rationalisation


User currently offlineQANTASforever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3421 times:

Who can blame them?

Who in their right mind would want to go from NZ to Melbourne? It would be like going from NY to Boston to eat Mcdonalds.  Wink

QFF


User currently offlineSthPacific787 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3420 times:

Thanks Mr AirNZ. Can't see why anyone would want to go to MEL anyway.

User currently offlineRichardJF From New Zealand, joined Mar 2001, 792 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3390 times:

Should run Dunedin to Fee-gee.

User currently offlineMainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2115 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3380 times:

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 4):
Who in their right mind would want to go from NZ to Melbourne?



Quoting SthPacific787 (Reply 5):
Thanks Mr AirNZ. Can't see why anyone would want to go to MEL anyway.

I don't understand these comments, as a pom. What's the general view of Melbourne in Australia/New Zealand?


User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3339 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3365 times:

Quoting MainMAN (Reply 7):
I don't understand these comments, as a pom. What's the general view of Melbourne in Australia/New Zealand?

It's called envy main Man.

Melbourne has all the major events, the commonwealth games, the nightlife, pubs, and down-to-earth people. it's cultured, multicultural, and a great place to be.

And with recent comments by terrorists saying that Melbourne and LA were next on their list, Sydneysiders are feeling less loved and less important!  Wink  Wink  Wink  Wink


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12334 posts, RR: 18
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3352 times:
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SJ is dropping all MEL services, HLZ-MEL, PML-MEL and DUD-MEL

User currently offlineMainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2115 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3339 times:

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 8):
It's called envy main Man.

Melbourne has all the major events, the commonwealth games, the nightlife, pubs, and down-to-earth people. it's cultured, multicultural, and a great place to be.

And with recent comments by terrorists saying that Melbourne and LA were next on their list, Sydneysiders are feeling less loved and less important!

I've been to Melbourne (last time in April) so I know all what a good place it is. We (in Manchester) get this kind of baiting from other parts of the UK, because we're doing so well, growing rapidly, and attracting vast amounts of investment, new business and people.

Is it possible that Freedom Air are dropping MEL because the rest of their network is geared towards people travelling on holiday to northern NSW or the Gold Coast? Far more reasonable explanation IMO

(Edit - someone in the UK's going to have a go at me for this post!)

[Edited 2005-09-15 11:03:35]

User currently offlineStuarts8 From New Zealand, joined Apr 2000, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3316 times:
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Quoting MainMAN (Reply 10):

Is it possible that Freedom Air are dropping MEL because the rest of their network is geared towards people travelling on holiday to northern NSW or the Gold Coast? Far more reasonable explanation IMO

IMHO, this would be the reason precisely. Most of Freedom`s traffic is directed to Sydney, the Gold Coast and Brisbane so Melbourne would not be a core route for them . and I do have to say Palmerston North to Melbourne is an extremely
peculiar route I have to say. PML Like Hamilton is a provincial Town. One would have thought that was never going to be profitable.
I understand that Pacific Blue is by the end of the Year going to be flying between Auckland and Maroochydoore (hope I have the spelling right!).
So just perhaps Freedom could be thinking along the same lines.


Cheers
Stuarts8


User currently offlineVHTAE From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 194 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3259 times:

Lets not forget that Melbourne also has the F1 Grand Prix and the Australian Open grand slam tennis.

VH-TAE in the 'Place To Be' and that is Melbourne.


User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7110 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3246 times:

I remember hearing an SJ flight to MEL with something like 15 POB. I take it thats the reason why.

User currently offlineRichardJF From New Zealand, joined Mar 2001, 792 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3116 times:

Quoting Stuarts8 (Reply 11):
I understand that Pacific Blue is by the end of the Year going to be flying between Auckland and Maroochydoore (hope I have the spelling right!).
So just perhaps Freedom could be thinking along the same lines.

I think Maroochydore is still too short 1700m or something however Noosa's great and would be highly saleable in New Zealand.


User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3339 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3109 times:

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 13):
I remember hearing an SJ flight to MEL with something like 15 POB. I take it thats the reason why.

Guys, the reason for SJ pulling out in IMO is because there are bigger issues for them to deal with...

jetstar is going into NZ, and therefore SJ will be gearing up for a major battle...

Let's have a look at the stats..
http://www.btre.gov.au/statistics/xls/int/CY04_Tables.xls

for 2004
SJ sectors to SYD - 62,583 pax
SJ sectors to MEL - 62,711 pax.

overall capacity the same for MEL and SYD... 2pw PMR, 2pw HLZ, 2pw DUD..

So if anyone can convince me that the decision was purely operational, please go ahead...


User currently offlineSthPacific787 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3071 times:

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 8):
It's called envy main Man.

Melbourne has all the major events, the commonwealth games, the nightlife, pubs, and down-to-earth people. it's cultured, multicultural, and a great place to be.

And with recent comments by terrorists saying that Melbourne and LA were next on their list, Sydneysiders are feeling less loved and less important



Quoting VHTAE (Reply 12):
Lets not forget that Melbourne also has the F1 Grand Prix and the Australian Open grand slam tennis.

VH-TAE in the 'Place To Be' and that is Melbourne

I omitted to mention that those of us living in NSW do not care about Melbourne. It seems that the Victorians feel the need to be better than their northern neighbours. Something about insecurity or little brother syndrome I think.

Anyway, it seems that people from Palmerston North, Dunedin and Hamilton don't care about Melbourne either. Hence the dropping of the services.


User currently offlineAerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2745 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3037 times:

Though I realise this thread is largely joking (the anti-Melbourne sentiment), I have to say that I think it is the best city in the south-west Pacific.

Sydney - just a bigger, flashier version of Auckland. Melbourne - somethig all its own.

I'd say though that the type of traveller going to MEL is generally a higher end tourist (in the money department) and SJ have found that they are just poaching from NZ rather than creating a new sustainable market from the New Zealand provinces.


User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3339 posts, RR: 20
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3026 times:

Quoting SthPacific787 (Reply 16):
Anyway, it seems that people from Palmerston North, Dunedin and Hamilton don't care about Melbourne either. Hence the dropping of the services.

SthPacific787... it amazes me that you go on making simple minded remarks like this, when the data, yes, real facts and figures, show that MEL and SYD pax numbers to/from PMR, HLZ and DUD are on par.

IMO, SJ is making a big mistake.... why?

because I think they may have done it tough in MEL from Jul 04 and Jul 05, especially when EK was operating to both AKL and CHC. But now that EK has moved the CHC service to operate SYD-CHC, they are going to find the going tough up there as well..

I bet that SJ reduce or suspend SYD services within 12 months...


User currently offlineMr AirNZ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2002, 878 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2995 times:

All these theories being thrown around!

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 13):
I remember hearing an SJ flight to MEL with something like 15 POB. I take it thats the reason why.

I have never seen anything that low on MEL or any other run!

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 18):
I bet that SJ reduce or suspend SYD services within 12 months...

SYD has a lot more pax than MEL. SYD will not be suspended. Past figures do not clearly represent the current situation.

[Edited 2005-09-16 04:49:51]

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12334 posts, RR: 18
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2939 times:
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Quoting Stuarts8 (Reply 11):
Most of Freedom`s traffic is directed to Sydney, the Gold Coast and Brisbane so Melbourne would not be a core route for them

Also add the HLZ-NAN, WLG-NAN and CHC-NAN flights

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 18):
I bet that SJ reduce or suspend SYD services within 12 months...

Why should SJ do that when its their best route overall. SJ have added more flights to their SYD operations, biggest increase was HLZ-SYD, when the first A320 entered service.

What will happen to the aircraft that has been free up due to dropping all MEL flights?


User currently offlineMr AirNZ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2002, 878 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2926 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 20):
biggest increase was HLZ-SYD, when the first A320 entered service.

Not quite yet. SYD services increase in the coming months. I've heard a few ideas of whats going to happen with the spare aircraft but its not my place to say as yet. Things are in the wind though.


User currently offlineSthPacific787 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2911 times:

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 18):

SthPacific787... it amazes me that you go on making simple minded remarks like this, when the data, yes, real facts and figures, show that MEL and SYD pax numbers to/from PMR, HLZ and DUD are on p

I'm teasing 6thFreedom so don't take offence. I'm a 'Blow In' here in Sydney and I can't help noticing how the 'Mexicans' south of the border feel the need to demonstrate how good there State is whereas the locals here don't seem to give a toss. I think Melbourne is a good town to visit. There are plenty of flights going there from everywhere to prove it.

I always wondered how small towns like Palmerston North, etc could justify direct flights to MEL or even SYD sometimes.

I'm just waiting to see what the on-going Air NZ plan is going to be for the whole Tasman situation.


User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3339 posts, RR: 20
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2905 times:

Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 19):
SYD has a lot more pax than MEL. SYD will not be suspended.

really? well the boarding card data provided in Australia shows that the Sydney market is the same size as Melbourne (from SJ's ports of HLZ, PMR and DUD). I think it's unreasonable to measure the overall NZ-SYD market, as these smaller ports are niche markets with limited outbound potential.


User currently offlineMr AirNZ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2002, 878 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2850 times:

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 23):
really? well the boarding card data provided in Australia shows that the Sydney market is the same size as Melbourne (from SJ's ports of HLZ, PMR and DUD).

As I look into my closet and see my Freedom and Air New Zealand uniforms I will again repeat what I have said. SYD has better loads than MEL. Past statistics do not take into account the full picture nor what will happen in the future (forward bookings etc.) MEL's loads are boosted occasionally by odd ball groups but by far SYD has better average loadings. Just like any statistic extreme values will bump up the mean which may not accurately show the whole picture.


25 Post contains images QANTASforever : I find the whole Melbournian psyche utterly fascinating. It really depends on who you ask. If you ask people in Sydney - they'd be: "Mel-what?". If yo
26 6thfreedom : I was debating whether to continue this discussion, and QFF you've done a remarkable job in highlighting what Sydney is all about. This false ego and
27 MainMAN : Are you a little bit afraid that Melbourne might be stealing Sydney's thunder? To an outsider, Melbourne is the sporting, manufacturing, cultural and
28 Post contains images MainMAN : Thanks for the info
29 6thfreedom : LOL... The funny thing is when former Premier Jeff Kennett was in power, more Sydneysiders knew his name than their own Premier... PS. QFF, making a
30 SthPacific787 : Give it up 6th. No one cares... anywhere. No just here in warm sunny Sydney.
31 Post contains images QANTASforever : I know. Isn't it fantastic! We have a vibrant arts scene, that beautiful harbour, a beach culture - there's more to us than the harbour bridge and Op
32 DJ738 : Last time I checked, this was an AVIATION FORUM! Please discuss your favourite / least favourite cities somewhere else.
33 Post contains images MainMAN : Why? Is Christchurch the Melbourne of New Zealand? Now there's a question
34 6thfreedom : ... and the last time I checked, much of civil aviation had to do with flying people between cities. DJ738 - tourism, business and trade are the back
35 PITrules : Kind of funny to watch this little friendly rivalry. I'd be happy to live in either!
36 Kesflyer : Might be short, but have flown there from MEL on a QF 767 around 9 years ago. Not sure what is flown there now apart from QF 737s and DJ 717 / A320s.
37 DJ738 : ...I think you mean **JQ** 717 / A320s, as DJ fly only 737 -800 and -700s...
38 Fuffla : Would CNS have a resonable market for New Zealanders?. A couple of times a week, AKL-CNS and maybe CHC-CNS would be resonable IMO. Although I am proba
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