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Jade Cargo To Confirm Order Of 6 X 747-400ERF  
User currently offlineDABZF From Germany, joined Mar 2004, 1200 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4085 times:

Just saw Press Release of the issue:

Jade Cargo - joint venture of Shenzhen Airlines, DEG (German Investment Institution) and Lufthansa Cargo - has confirmed order of 6 x 747-400ER freighters. They will be powered with GE CF6-80C2 and are delivered in 2006 and 2008.

Niceeeee Big grin


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User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4115 posts, RR: 90
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3969 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
COMMUNITY MANAGER

Boeing have confirmed it too. These are the 6 Unidentified 744ERF orders that are already listed. Good to have official confirmation.

SEATTLE, Sept. 15 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- The Boeing Company (NYSE: BA)
and Jade Cargo International, the first cargo airline in China with foreign
ownership, have completed a firm order for the carrier's purchase of six
Boeing 747-400ER (Extended Range) Freighters.

The airplanes, with a list price value of $1.3 billion, are scheduled for
delivery beginning in 2006 through January 2008. Jade Cargo, based in
Shenzhen, China, plans to begin operations in 2006. The airplanes were
recently included on the Boeing Orders and Deliveries Web site, attributed to
an unidentified customer.


Regards, PanAm_DC10



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User currently offlineMeafly From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 30 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3792 times:

How many orders is that for the 744 this year? Boeing sure seems to be racking up 747 orders in advance of launching the ADVANCED. Good to see this beauty will be flying for years to come. Can't wait to see first 747-ADV.

User currently offlineFraport From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3775 times:

Does anybody have an idea what kind of livery these planes will wear? Shenzhen? LH Cargo? Or JADE (whatever it will look like)?

[Edited 2005-09-15 20:46:16]

User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3765 times:

Good for Boeing. Now if the machinests would just show up for work, we could all have a few new planes to photograph!


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User currently offlineMeafly From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 30 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3713 times:

Holy crap! Boeing's website is showing 25 gross and 19 net orders for the 744 this year.

When was the last time somebody ordered an A-380? Seems that they've been stuck on the same number for quite a while.


User currently offlineCo7772wuh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3669 times:

Quoting Meafly (Reply 5):
Holy crap! Boeing's website is showing 25 gross and 19 net orders for the 744 this year.

When was the last time somebody ordered an A-380? Seems that they've been stuck on the same number for quite a while.

Boeing's strategy seems to be going as planned ! Offer the 747s extremely cheat to hurt A380s sales .

Hhmmm , more 747s orders this year than the A380 . Thought the 747 was dead ?

 scratchchin 


User currently offlineAmy From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 1150 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3655 times:

Long live the 747, the true Queen of the skies. Glad to see Boeing getting some 747 orders, hopefully this will push the 747ADV project!


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User currently offlineMeafly From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 30 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3635 times:

I think it's already a foregone conclusion that the 747-Adv will be launched this year. Actually, if you look at the space/weight statistics for cargo, the 747 is a better freighter than the A380. If you're not concerned about flying max weight with cargo (i.e. Fedex, UPS, etc.) then the A-380 gives you more space. For true air freight carriers though, the 744 and soon to come 74A is the wiser economic choice.

User currently offlineCo7772wuh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3555 times:

Quoting Meafly (Reply 8):
I think it's already a foregone conclusion that the 747-Adv will be launched this year. Actually, if you look at the space/weight statistics for cargo, the 747 is a better freighter than the A380. If you're not concerned about flying max weight with cargo (i.e. Fedex, UPS, etc.) then the A-380 gives you more space. For true air freight carriers though, the 744 and soon to come 74A is the wiser economic choice.

Well , if that's the case then the so called " Queen of the Skies " can out bench the King , the A380 ! The a380 has to go hit the gym so it doesn't get it's butt kicked by a girl !

 tongue 


User currently offlineMeafly From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 30 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3441 times:

Actually, the so called "King" needn't be working out with weights...he's bulky enough. Rather, the beefy boy needs to don a sweat suit and do some push-ups in the steam room...maybe hit the Stairmaster....swallow a handful of diuretics...and go on the Atkins diet.

User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3327 times:

Quoting Meafly (Reply 5):
When was the last time somebody ordered an A-380? Seems that they've been stuck on the same number for quite a while.

What's the purpose of comparing the B744F to the A380F which are different in size and feature different operation profiles?

Quoting Co7772wuh (Reply 6):
Boeing's strategy seems to be going as planned ! Offer the 747s extremely cheat to hurt A380s sales .

Nonsense. Most airlines which ordered the B744F recently didn't even consider the A380F. See above.

Quoting Co7772wuh (Reply 6):
Hhmmm , more 747s orders this year than the A380 . Thought the 747 was dead ?

That was your thought really? Wouldn't have been your first misjudgement.

Quoting Co7772wuh (Reply 9):
The a380 has to go hit the gym so it doesn't get it's butt kicked by a girl !

Ah, I see.  Yeah sure


Regards
Udo


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3306 times:

"When was the last time someone ordered the A380?"

Paris airshow, 5 A380's for Kingfisher. Prior to that 5 planes for China Southern and 10 for UPS. That's 20 so far this year. With the airshow in Dubai yet to come. And your point is...?

BTW, When was the last time someone ordered the passenger version of the 747? And how many have been sold since the A380 has been on offer?



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User currently offlineMeafly From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 30 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 3221 times:

Sorry, but with EK holding nearly a 1/3 of the total A380 orders, major airlines aren't exactly clamoring to harness the whalejet. Once the 747Adv is launched and gets one big passenger order (from a number of likely customers) it will be a serious blow to the A380 program's business plan. It doesn't take much detective work to see that the market for such a large plane is somewhat limited. I mean since 1969 there have been slightly less than 1500 747s sold worldwide...this during a tremendous period of increased passenger traffic.

User currently offlineCV580Freak From Bahrain, joined Jul 2005, 1033 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3172 times:

Nearly all the major US airlines are BK so couldn't order the A380 if they wanted to (or the B747)  rotfl 


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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12333 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3162 times:

Quoting Udo (Reply 11):
What's the purpose of comparing the B744F to the A380F which are different in size and feature different operation profiles?

I imagine it's just to see your post count go up by 1, Udo!



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User currently offlineMeafly From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 30 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3119 times:

Quoting N754PR (Reply 14):

Firstly, I'm not American, but rather I am currently living in the U.S.

Secondly, I'm not saying anything bad except that the A380 is above weight (A FACT) and that AI has, indeed, overstated the market demand for the airplane. That is all.

Yes, I am a Boeing fan...particularly of the beautiful 747, a marvel whose timeless elegance was remarkably designed by gents using slide rules.


User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3115 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 16):
I imagine it's just to see your post count go up by 1, Udo!

And the answer to my original question is...?


Regards
Udo


User currently offlineMeafly From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 30 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3104 times:

The 747F/ADV-F and A380F compete directly for orders with air freight carriers. Please explain to me how they don't.

User currently offlineUSAF336TFS From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1445 posts, RR: 52
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3075 times:

Looks like LH Cargo didn't forget that Boeing still exists!  eyepopping 

Great news for both Boeing and Jade. Congrats to both. Now, when the hell is LH Cargo going to get off it's ass and order the 777-LRF already!



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User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3048 times:

Quoting Meafly (Reply 19):
The 747F/ADV-F and A380F compete directly for orders with air freight carriers. Please explain to me how they don't.

B744F and A380F aren't in the same segment. They are structurally different and in different volume categories.

Quoting USAF336TFS (Reply 20):
Great news for both Boeing and Jade. Congrats to both. Now, when the hell is LH Cargo going to get off it's ass and order the 777-LRF already!

That won't happen anytime soon. They have just introduced some more used MD-11 freighters.


Regards
Udo


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5922 posts, RR: 40
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3032 times:

Quoting USAF336TFS (Reply 20):
Looks like LH Cargo didn't forget that Boeing still exists!

well LH Cargo has a complete Boing fleet (Boeing MD11) cheers.

regards



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User currently offlineUSAF336TFS From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1445 posts, RR: 52
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3005 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 22):
well LH Cargo has a complete Boing fleet (Boeing MD11) cheers.

regards

Well the pax Group needs reminding.
 biggrin 

Quoting Udo (Reply 21):
That won't happen anytime soon. They have just introduced some more used MD-11 freighters.

True enough, my good friend, but we're hearing rumors to the contrary here in the States. An increase in capacity certainly wouldn't hurt them, since all their competitors (Fed Ex, UPS, Air France, etc) seem to be doing just that.
As you know, UPS just ordered 8, I think, 747-ERFs, while continuing to take delivery of MD-11 conversions.

Quoting N754PR (Reply 14):
Wow, American users with nothing good to say about the A380.... thats strange.

That certainly isn't true and you know it. Just because analysts, a-netters, and aviation industry insiders on both sides of the pond are questioning the A380's benefits, doesn't make them anti-A380.
I'm looking foward to watching it fly over my house while landing at JFK. Having said that, I too have reservations about the design theory behind it. I still believe that Boeing's future market vision is probably more accurate, then the theories that brought us the A380. That doesn't make me anti-A380.

Regards,
Sal



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