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Santa Barbara Airlines Fleet Renewal?  
User currently offlineB757200 From Spain, joined Sep 2004, 184 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5008 times:

According to the following article, S3 will update most of its fleet by adding 3 757s, 2 767s and 1 777 (Spanish):

http://www.diariodeavisos.com/diariodeavisos/content/29244/

757s will be used on regional routes; 767s and one 777 will be used on the European routes. They also plan to open flights to Portugal and Italy, given their great performance on Spanish routes.

Honestly, I don't know if this is true or it's just the same BS we've been hearing for years. Anyway, let's just hope this time it is for real.

I wonder what will be the future of the 727s. Will they keep them or not?. I suppose with 3 757s they could open at least two new destinations. What cities do you think S3 has its eyes on?

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User currently offlineLuisde8cd From Pitcairn Islands, joined Aug 2004, 2571 posts, RR: 31
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4966 times:

I wont believe it, until I see it.

My guess is that the 757s will be used to start Maracaibo-Miami and to add more frecuencies to CCS-MIA.

The 722s will stay for flights to the andean community. The 767s will be used to fly to Portugal and TFN. The 772 will be used to MAD alongside one of the 763s.

If this becomes true, then SB will be the 2nd 777 operator in Latin America after Varig. My guess is that is an ex-United 772, one of those sitting in the desert.

I hope the best to Santa Barbara. They are my preffered airline to fly to Miami.

Saludos desde Caracas,
Luis


User currently offlineAirlineslover From Italy, joined Sep 2005, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4951 times:

Good news for Santa Barbara.... will be great to see those 777 here in Italy... I flew just one time in S.B. between CCS-SCQ and I asked to a F/A if they will be change or renew their fleet... she told me in a nicely way that they were expecting for a 763 for the long haul routes but this thing happened early 90's finally they will receive the expected planes..... Cheers to S. Barbara

User currently offline797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1894 posts, RR: 27
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4939 times:

Hola!

Well, the 767 story is getting quite old, but the idea excites me! However, I don't really think this is possible. As we know, taxes in Venezuela for this kind of operations are too high, and airlines are not able to pay this high amount of money, therefore, its very difficult to see some new aircraft in Venezuela.

Now, It would be more than great for us to have an airline with this kind of equipment, especially this wide bodied aircraft. Services to Italy would compete with AZ's monopoly, and Portugal's TAP.

Quoting B757200 (Thread starter):
What cities do you think S3 has its eyes on?

Well, I don't have any South American cities in mind, but seasonal cities could come here, such as New York, Cancun and Orlando. Also, I would stay with the 727's and keep using them in the domestic and international network.

With the 2 767s and the 777 I would go for Madrid, Rome/Milan, Paris CDG and London probably twice a week since BA dropped because of the low demand.

I think it's a great moment to develop the airline since I don't see Coviasa getting strong, which would be an important future competitor.

Now, we just have to wait and see what happens. Let's hope for the best.

Saludos!



Flying isn't dangerous. Crashing is what's dangerous!
User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4865 times:

Personally I like Santa barbaras DC10s. Long may they continue

User currently offlineLamedianaranja From Venezuela, joined Nov 2004, 1246 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4778 times:

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 4):
Personally I like Santa Barbaras DC10s. Long may they continue

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But tri-jets are expensive to operate even for OPEC members  raincloud 

Quoting 797 (Reply 3):
taxes in Venezuela for this kind of operations are too high

Didn't they lift those taxes a while ago? I believe one of us posted that news?



I wish that all skies were orange and blue!!
User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2005 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4765 times:

Quoting B757200 (Thread starter):
Honestly, I don't know if this is true or it's just the same BS we've been hearing for years. Anyway, let's just hope this time it is for real.

Nothing to add....

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 1):
I hope the best to Santa Barbara.

Nothing to add....
BTW: Luis, what about our Mini-A.netter meeting on 22nd ? I am there !

Hola 797, Bienvenido ! Do you want to join us on 22nd ?

To the topic: as Luis said, it would be great for Venezuelan Aviation, but I doubt it will ever happen. The already announced that they will replace the DC10 in June 05 with 767 - nothing happened.

And: the performance on MAD-CCS is everything else than "great", it's poor ! So one more reason not to beleive it.

In case they add 757 for "regional" services, I would like to see MEX, BUE or/and SCL. I think the potential is there. And MEX was a former Avensa route.

Let's keep the fingers crossed.

AND Luis, please let me know if we meet on 22nd....


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4703 times:

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 1):
The 722s will stay for flights to the andean community.

what about starting new flights to BOG? If they could offer good connections to Europe the BOG flight could be successfully....

any chance that Santa Barbara could start flights to Germany? Or has only Aeropostal the rights for a flight, and the german-venezulean agreement do not allow another carrier?

regards
Avianca



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User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2005 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4670 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 7):
what about starting new flights to BOG? If they could offer good connections to Europe the BOG flight could be successfully....

You are totally right. They need a BOG flight if they finally want to be sucsesfull with European services. But - as you know - they need the point-to-point traffic for the yield, not only the connecting traffic. Otherwise the yield would kill them. And that's the problem: there are 3xdaily AV, 2 daily VH and 4 weekly V0, leaving no space for another player.
And I have heard from someone that had a VH flight on that route and he was very surprised about the great service they have.
So they would compete against very good products.
At the moment they are selling BOG in Spain with a great prorate given by VH. But I doubt that VH would renew the contract if S3 gets stronger.

Quoting Avianca (Reply 7):
any chance that Santa Barbara could start flights to Germany? Or has only Aeropostal the rights for a flight, and the german-venezulean agreement do not allow another carrier?

This is a question for "Civilav", he knows EVERYTHING about traffic rights. But as far as I know it would be difficult for S3 to get them. At the moment VH has them and I would say IF the Government revokes them, then they do for Conviasa, not for S3. That's the reason why they try to keep within the former Avensa assigned routes to Spain, Portugal and Italy,


User currently offline797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1894 posts, RR: 27
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4659 times:

Haha, I told my dad about this new, and he literally laughed out loud! He said: Yeah, right!

I don't blaim him!

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 6):
Hola 797, Bienvenido ! Do you want to join us on 22nd ?

Epa, sure I'd love to join. Tell me about it personally!

Saludos

[Edited 2005-09-16 23:34:20]

[Edited 2005-09-16 23:34:58]


Flying isn't dangerous. Crashing is what's dangerous!
User currently offline797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1894 posts, RR: 27
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4635 times:

By the way, I just looked in the archive of EL UNIVERSAL, a Venezuelan paper, that on September 2004, the president of the company promissed to fly to Italy and Portugal (just as he is doing it now) but instead of using 3 757s, 2 767s and 1 777, he would use a MD-11. Right now there are no further news on any other Venezuelan site.

So, this makes me think that this is some more of "say but not do".

Let's wait for some more news.

Saludos!



Flying isn't dangerous. Crashing is what's dangerous!
User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4626 times:

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 8):
You are totally right. They need a BOG flight if they finally want to be sucsesfull with European services. But - as you know - they need the point-to-point traffic for the yield, not only the connecting traffic. Otherwise the yield would kill them. And that's the problem: there are 3xdaily AV, 2 daily VH and 4 weekly V0, leaving no space for another player.

yes to offer good conection to BOG they need at least 2 daily flights. for the incoming and the outgoing traffic....

and as you mentioned the problem would be the sole for the flights, the locall passengers...

regards
Avianca



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5219 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4582 times:

A B757 flight to MEX woudn't hurt! Santa Barbara is one of the few foreign carriers that I would love to see at my home airport.

ghost77



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User currently offlineAirlineslover From Italy, joined Sep 2005, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4573 times:

If Santa Barbara start flt's to MEX it will be good news because I don't see a Venezuelan airline in MEX since a long time ago... and if the flt connect with US destinations will be more than great for the people of this beautiful Latin American country.... cheers Vic

User currently offlineCivilav From Mexico, joined Oct 2004, 391 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4504 times:

Chigüire, (Reply 8)

You are quite right about the traffic rights to Germany being still (nominally) in the hands of Aeropostal. Current air agreement between Venezuela and Germany does not allow for multiple designations from either country, so it would just be one airline in each case.

As far as the paper article goes.. I would give it some credibility. González Yánez was quoted in the past as stating the airline was looking at the MD 11 for operations to Europe and there was a long thread here in this forum about it with my categoric statement that the B 767 would be the preferred plane. The days of the DC-10 are plainly numbered and Spain is adopting very stringent new security measures (a la FAA) which might mean Santa Barbara can no longer fly the plane regularly as it may fail to meet the new safety criteria - and there have been quite a few S3 related incidents at Spanish airports lately. Let us face it, the DC-10, no matter how lovely and what fond memories it evokes in many of us, is fit for retirement already.

I would definitely see Santa Barbara taking up the challenge of the ethnic market VIASA used to handle so well, of Portugal and Italy in addition to Spain.
Perhaps S3 will be the first airline to really take advantage of the new regulations and tax incentives allowed for under the provisions of the new Civil Aeronautics Law of June 23. About time too, that Venezuelan airlines be prompted to updated their very outdated fleets.

Regards from Cancun !


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4466 times:

Quoting Civilav (Reply 14):
I would definitely see Santa Barbara taking up the challenge of the ethnic market VIASA used to handle so well, of Portugal and Italy in addition to Spain.

it would be very godd if Alitalia and Tap would get some competition on there routes...



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User currently offline797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1894 posts, RR: 27
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4455 times:

Quoting Civilav (Reply 14):
would definitely see Santa Barbara taking up the challenge of the ethnic market VIASA used to handle so well, of Portugal and Italy in addition to Spain.

Haha, if they don't do it, then my future airline will!!!



Flying isn't dangerous. Crashing is what's dangerous!
User currently offlineVenezuela747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1428 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4361 times:

Hey guys I was checking the aiports flight guide and it showed all all Santa Barbara flights cancelled for today Sunday (QUI, MIA, MAD)...anyone know what's going on?


ROLL TIDE!!!
User currently offlineIberiaA319 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 574 posts, RR: 38
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4347 times:

350 passangers are stranded right now in MAD due to a breakdown of one of Santa Barbara's DC-10 . Apparently there's another aircraft in London being checked.

Here's more about it (sorry, only in Spanish):

TURISMO-TRANSPORTE AEREO
Unos 350 viajeros esperan Santa Bárbara flete avión volar Caracas
Madrid, 18 sep (EFE).- Unos 350 pasajeros de los vuelos del sábado y domingo entre Madrid y Caracas de Santa Bárbara esperan en un hotel a que la compañía flete un avión para poder llegar a su destino, tras ser canceladas estas rutas al averiarse esta madrugada en vuelo la aeronave con la que se iban a efectuar los trayectos.
Según manifestaron a Efe fuentes de la compañía, el avión con el que se iban a operar estas rutas esta averiado y la aerolínea logró hoy alquilar otra aeronave, "pero al ser domingo no había tripulación. Mañana, los 260 pasajeros del vuelo del sábado y los 90 del de hoy podrán realizar el viaje".
Por su parte, varios de los viajeros afectados comentaron a Efe que el vuelo 1333 de Santa Bárbara a Caracas de ayer tenía previsto despegar del aeropuerto de Barajas a las 11.00 horas pero fue retrasado, "primero nos dijeron que por problemas de rotación del avión y luego por avería".
La compañía trasladó a parte de los viajeros a un hotel cercano al aeropuerto, mientras que otro grupo decidió permanecer en Barajas hasta que a las 23.00 horas fueron embarcados en el avión.
"Llevábamos dos horas de viaje cuando el avión realizó dos bajadas bruscas, por lo que las azafatas recogieron las bandejas con comida que habían servido y poco después el comandante nos dijo por megafonía que regresábamos a Barajas porque el motor perdía aceite", señalaron.
El aeropuerto de Barajas activó la alerta local para que el avión efectuara el aterrizaje, situación que moviliza a bomberos, personal sanitario y Fuerzas de Seguridad del Estado de las instalaciones y la aeronave tomó tierra "sin problemas a las 02.45 horas".
Las fuentes de la aerolínea aseguraron a Efe que ofrecieron a los pasajeros el traslado a un hotel "para que pudieran descansar", aunque éstos se negaron y permanecieron en Barajas, donde pasaron la noche en la sala 1 de recogida de equipajes "como medida de presión para que la compañía solucione el problema".
A las 12.00 horas de hoy, tras presentar reclamaciones y protestar ante los responsables de la compañía, los viajeros decidieron trasladarse al hotel a la espera de que mañana la aerolínea disponga del avión y la tripulación necesarios para efectuar el viaje, cuya hora de salida todavía no está fijada.
Santa Bárbara tenía programado para hoy otro vuelo entre Madrid y Caracas con hora de salida a las 09.40 horas, que también fue cancelado y los viajeros trasladados al hotel.
La compañía indicó que "el avión alquilado para efectuar el trayecto es un Jumbo, con lo que mañana podrán viajar los pasajeros de los dos vuelos".
Según estas fuentes, Santa Bárbara tiene dos aviones para realizar las cinco conexiones semanales entre Madrid y Caracas y "en estos momentos uno de los aparatos está en mantenimiento en Londres y el otro es el que se averió esta madrugada".
La aerolínea indicó que todos sus aviones "cumplen todos los requisitos de seguridad" y manifestaron que para la compañía "lo más importante es salvaguardar la seguridad de los viajeros". EFE


User currently offlineLuisde8cd From Pitcairn Islands, joined Aug 2004, 2571 posts, RR: 31
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4331 times:

This is the 5th DC10 failure in less than 30 days. I think SB must get new equipment inmediately if they wanna continue flying to Europe.

Saludos desde Caracas,
Luis


User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2005 posts, RR: 16
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4327 times:

Quoting IberiaA319 (Reply 18):
350 passengers are stranded right now in MAD due to a breakdown of one of Santa Barbara's DC-10 .

Santa Barbara has to react very very quick now. The authorities in Europe have a close eye on them.
If the problems (and this is not the first, but the third within some weeks), than we will find them blacklisted. This would be the end of this airline.
I hope they get some new aircraft soon and would recommend them to stop their European services meanwhile (it's low season anyway), but announce new services for X-mas with new equipment at the same time.

I am very surprised that some other services have been cancelled as well. Maybe most of the passengers to UIO and GYE were coming from MAD and they managed to rebook the other on alternate carriers.


User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4310 times:

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 8):
And that's the problem: there are 3xdaily AV, 2 daily VH and 4 weekly V0, leaving no space for another player.

Its 4x daily by AV. They have the market snatched. 3x MD-83 plus 1x 767-300 compared to a mere 2x MD-80 by VH and 4xw 733 by V0. AV control CCS-BOG. It would be nice to see new competition, as the fares are very high. AV is the cheapest carrier and fares are around US$270 for an hour and a half flight!



Les escribo desde el frío de mi verde altiplano.
User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4296 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 21):
Its 4x daily by AV

but not year arround... or?



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User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4264 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 21):
Its 4x daily by AV. They have the market snatched. 3x MD-83 plus 1x 767-300 compared to a mere 2x MD-80 by VH and 4xw 733 by V0.

Hold it there. AV does have the market snatched, but they don't fly 4x daily.

The fourth daily frequency was announced and was loaded to all reservation systems upon arrival of N836RA, but it never materialised. Now the extra-capacity provided by N836RA is being used, in part, flying the second daily frequency to LIM.




SOUTHAMERICA


User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4243 times:

Ideed! Wow they advertised it a lot and it never happened! God i havent been checking the schedules lately.


Anyway, good luck to S3. That try of national carrier you have, VH, is a pity. S3 should buy them and consolidate as the large national airline.



Les escribo desde el frío de mi verde altiplano.
25 Luisde8cd : Dont forget AR and LAB also fly the route because they were both granted 5th freedom rights. Saludos desde Caracas, Luis
26 SOUTHAMERICA : Actually, they didn't. AV makes a press release for literally everything; and the planned fourth daily CCS service was never publicly announced by th
27 Chiguire : This is not correct. First of all we must not forget LB. They are operating 2xweekly services and they are the cheapest: LB 196 V0 196 AV 242 VH 243
28 797 : That would be more than gret but I seriously doubt that S3 can afford that purchase. On the other hand, Aeropostal's president believes that his airl
29 RCS763AV : There wer HUGE adevertisements in Semana, El Tiempo and Avianca En Revista, which features a 4 leaved trefoil and showed the schedules! There were ev
30 SOUTHAMERICA : I would like to know specifically which one of the 4/5 editions of Semana during the month of May had these huge ads, because I sincerely didn't see
31 Post contains images SOUTHAMERICA : You know what? I took the time to closely search in each of the following Semana editions to finally see if all these "sources" of yours are really t
32 Viasa : Thats a very good idea! Does an A310s or a B762s mad the flight from CCS to MAD? No other "new" longhaul aircraft are avaible at the moment. But ther
33 Chiguire : What ? Really ? I didn' t hear that. Wasn't that Edelweiss together with Belair ? I just remember that they wanted to make a GRZ-PMV this summer but
34 Viasa : Yes, I heard that two weeks ago. But I'm not sure! I think that an A330-200 or a B767-300 is the best solution for S3. There are other airlines who n
35 USADreamliner : I think they should stay with the 757/767 maybe some 737NG for regional and national flights. I must say that it would be sad to say goodbye to the DC
36 Post contains images 797 : Yes it will, but as we can see, it's time for it... If they definitely choose to go for the 767s along with the 757s they have, then I vote for the B
37 Chiguire : The A330 is much to sophisticated for S3 I think. The 767 is more classic in terms of technics. So IF the manage to improve the fleet it would be the
38 RCS763AV : IN CASE YOU ARE BLIND; JUNE AND JULY I SAID. Im not didcussing this anymore look into every semana you want you will find the ads....
39 SOUTHAMERICA : Right. In June and July the flights were already out of schedules. Once again, good job buddy. SOUTHAMERICA
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