Airlineslover From Italy, joined Sep 2005, 59 posts, RR: 0 Posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2003 times:
If anybody knows this thing I really apreciate your info.... I was wondering why SR when this great airline existed never flew to MEX or SK didn't put a flt between CPH-MEX
EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7176 posts, RR: 45 Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1915 times:
Hi Víctor, I hope you are doing alright. I have really no idea, but I have to wonder the same thing. I can think of several reasons but I am only guessing. One could be that LH, AF, KL, BA and IB have more than covered the market and are pretty convenient for most if not all Western Europeans and while the market could have easily taken one more carrier, this would have resulted in yield dilution. Another reason I can think of is that these two perhaps never had sufficient planes in their fleets and whichever routes they decided to open through improving their fleet utilization management or through leasing/buying new planes were routes were the ability to make a profit is higher. I really don't know but I am sure someone else can give us better answers. Sadly, LX will probably never fly to MEX since LH is now their parent and they are better off routing passengers through FRA. On the other hand, SK seems to have many issues with fleet size, aircraft types and decision making processes, so I don't think we will see them here any time soon.
By the way Víctor, I don't know if you received my Monday night e-mail (Tuesday morning in Italy); let me know. In any case, I will write some more soon.
Avianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5857 posts, RR: 40 Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1904 times:
well I would say that in the past the mexican market was not such big to europe and the route was covered even carrier like LH did not served mex daily and not nonstop ... when the market gowed all carrier that were already in the market increased the flights and the capacitys due new nonstop service. now carriers like sas has better conection throught the hubs of the alliance partners, same situation for LX (SR)....
TransSwede From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 993 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1900 times:
I just don't think that there has ever been enough Scandinavia - Mexico traffic to justify a direct route. Neither region is on the top of the other region's "Must visit" list.
A999 From Norway, joined Mar 2004, 231 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1861 times:
The MVD flight (which also served Dakar, Rio de Janeiro, Buenos Aires and Santiago) was started to cater mostly for Scandinavian shipping interrests in the region. But alas, shipping is not what it used to be either.....
Airlineslover From Italy, joined Sep 2005, 59 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1801 times:
Thnks guys for the info, I still remember when we had to flight between MEX and MAD with the YMX stopover, maybe in that times MEX wasn't a good or a top first class destination for european airlines, but even SN in the 80's flew BRU-YMX-MEX and in the early 90's Interflug (ex-comunist Germany airline) flew SXF-HAV-MEX or OK PRG-YQX-HAV-MEX...... anyway thanks a lot see you in the next post..... cheers
Ghost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5127 posts, RR: 53 Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1766 times:
Back in the 70s/80s (don't know exact dates) both airlines flew to MEX! I don't have pics to back-up that, but other slide collectors have in their collection nice pics of SK and SR at my home airport!
ghost77
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SR117 From Mexico, joined Jun 2000, 753 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1758 times:
If memory serves me right.. I remember reading that at one time in the 50s, SAS held an important stake in then biggie airline Aerovias Guest. Aerovias Guest went on to become part of Aeronaves de Mexico (predecessor to AeroMexico).
So in a way, half a century ago, SAS served Mexico through Aerovías Guest !
Stirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 27 Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1693 times:
Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 7): Back in the 70s/80s (don't know exact dates) both airlines flew to MEX! I don't have pics to back-up that, but other slide collectors have in their collection nice pics of SK and SR at my home airport!
That's what I was thinking too.
At least with Swissair. Maybe in their heyday in the 70's/80's....not sure about SAS..
I'll do some research, because I would have served MEX with at least a single frequency, and if not nonstop, maybe via an intermediate stop in North America.
AviationMaster From Switzerland, joined Oct 1999, 2464 posts, RR: 38 Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1686 times:
The reason of why Swissair never flew to MEX is because the operation would not have been profitable. My dad knew the representative of Swissair in MEX, when we lived there in the 90s and she had said that Swissair had plans of launching ZRH-MEX service via Geneva, after they conducted a costumer based survey wherein MEX was the passengers number 1 wish-destination.
Now the interesting part, she said that all European airlines flying to Mexico are not making a profit, eventhough they have great loads. But this was during the 90s, so I don't know if this has changed now.
Juventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2 Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1649 times:
Flying from Scandinavia to Mexico, it is so convenient and easy to connect in one of the big Eastern US airports ( IAD, ATL, MIA), that why risk direct flights that might/might not work. There is a market, just go to Cabo, CUN or PVR, and you'll see.
Swisswings From Switzerland, joined Feb 2005, 60 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1636 times:
Mexico City would probalby hot have generated enough traffic for SR in times before the Global Excellence Alliance with DL. Later, SR flew to Mexico in code-share with DL via Atlanta, if I recall correctly. This seems to have satisfied the existing needs. As for Mexico traffic, charters to Cancun have a long tradition in Switzerland. They were and are operated by Edelweiss and Belair (formerly Balair). Viva México!
AviationMaster From Switzerland, joined Oct 1999, 2464 posts, RR: 38 Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1616 times:
I remember that the ZRH-ATL-ZRH (SR120,121) flights always had many people travelling to and from Mexico on board. Same now goes for the ZRH-MIA-ZRH. For a relative small airline like Swissair (or nowadays Swiss) it was probably cheaper to have passengers connect via the US, than have 2 MD11s just to operate the flight. Would have been an awsome site though
Juventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2 Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1587 times:
Quoting Swisswings (Reply 12): Mexico City would probalby hot have generated enough traffic for SR in times before the Global Excellence Alliance with DL. Later, SR flew to Mexico in code-share with DL via Atlanta, if I recall correctly. This seems to have satisfied the existing needs
Agree. This is why many international airlines don't fly to Mexico. Its too close to the US. If coming from Asia, you connect in LAX or SFO, if coming from Europe, JFK, ATL, or MIA will be the connecting points. Its cheaper and efficient.
USADreamliner From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 1547 times:
Remember that South american countries like Brazil,Argentina,Chile and Colombia they have large German,Russian,Polish and Italian communities ,more than Mexico.
I think that with BA,AF,KL,LH,IB and AM the European market is covered.
Juventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2 Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 1546 times:
Quoting USADreamliner (Reply 16): Remember that South american countries like Brazil,Argentina,Chile and Colombia they have large German,Russian,Polish and Italian communities ,more than Mexico.
I think that with BA,AF,KL,LH,IB and AM the European market is covered.
Well, don't forget about the 25 million people that visit Mexico each year. The majority are American and Canadian, but there are many Europeans as well. But yes, I agree with you
EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7176 posts, RR: 45 Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1499 times:
Quoting AviationMaster (Reply 10): she said that all European airlines flying to Mexico are not making a profit, eventhough they have great loads. But this was during the 90s, so I don't know if this has changed now.
After the 1995 peso crisis that was triggered by the idiocy of the Minister of Finance in Dec. 1994, the operations of European carriers to MEX were bleeding red ink. I really can't believe that LH, which had just introduced 744 service decided not to pull the plug! In any case, that was then and this is now. MEX is a very profitable destination for the likes of LH, IB, AF, KL and BA. Should rank as one of their top routes in the Americas.
AR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 4844 posts, RR: 27 Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1472 times:
Quoting Airlineslover (Reply 6): and in the early 90's Interflug (ex-comunist Germany airline) flew SXF-HAV-MEX
Nope, you are correct on the OK part, but Interflug never flew to MEX. The OK flight originated after Prague's velvet revoulion and a state visit to Mexico by Vaclav Havel. I don't know if they were just symbolic flights but did not las very long.
Other European airlines flew to MEX and then dropped it and took it up again. BA had an MEX-MSY-LON flight on and L-1011 dropped it for what? 12 yrs. ? then took it up again. Alitalia had one on a 747. (I saw them land many times) Even LA retook MEX-SCL in 1989? after dropping it in the 70's but that was for political reasons.
As for SR or SK, I guess the market was never there. There certainly never was any O&D while other countries of Latin America have big colonies of Scandinavian or Swiss population. Think Southern Brasil, Argentina, Uruguay, even Chile.
Business traffic, well, Mexico's economy first business partner is the US then Japan and Germany, the Swiss and Scandinavian countries do not have much of an interest in our economy.
My opinion is that that is the reason. Although, I've flown both airlines and been to all of Scandinavia and all of Switzerland and would be as happy as a clam is they had a flight.
XA744 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 734 posts, RR: 3 Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1396 times:
... When Lufthansa and BOAC entered the Mexican market in the late 60´s , SAS and Swissair were also making plans to add MEX to their network. I remember having seen SK´s timetables showing Mexico as one of their projected routes for two or three editions on a row. Both SK and SR operated their own off-line offices on the same street in the heart of the Pink Zone in Mexico City for many years.
I recall having seen a Swissair DC-8-62 and an SK´s DC-8-63 at MEX during 1966 and 1967. The SK DC-8 was bearing also the sign of Thai International, which was part of Scandinavian´s system at that time.
Sabena, KLM, Air France and Iberia were the only four European carriers serving Mexico up to the mid 60´s. Aeronaves de Mexico was the only Mexican carrier across the Atlantic operating only to MAD.
Regards
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FBU 4EVER! From Norway, joined Jan 2001, 998 posts, RR: 7 Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 1323 times:
SAS did operate a few charter flights to MEX in 67-68 in connection with the Olympic Games.I believe our charter subsidiary,Scanair,also operated a few flights to Cancun in the late 70's or early 80's but I'm not sure.
Regular SAS service to Mexico have never existed,and probably never will.Any of our passengers with a Mexican destination will be best served by other Star alliance carriers like LH and UA.
TR From UK - England, joined May 2001, 952 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1211 times:
I flew on a SAS DC-10-30 to/from MEX during the summer of 1986. We went to see a few of Denmark's games at the World Cup. If recall correctly the aircraft even had a special paint and/or sticker. Unfortunately my photes from that tour was lost a few years back so maybe another member can varify this?!
Adriaticus From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1112 posts, RR: 21 Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1202 times:
Quoting XA744 (Reply 20): Sabena, KLM, Air France and Iberia were the only four European carriers serving Mexico up to the mid 60´s. Aeronaves de Mexico was the only Mexican carrier across the Atlantic operating only to MAD.
It is amazing how little things have changed in 40 years... Drop Sabena, add BA, LH and (just very recently) Air Europa, plus the AM flights to CDG... And that's it.
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