RootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4085 posts, RR: 41 Posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 556 times:
Hi folks,
I constantly use this forum to become more aware and know more about the aviation business. I am a totally amateur fan of aviation so sorry if my thread could seem shocking to those out there who work in the aviation business.
Will it ever be poissible for LCC's to join an alliance or better have LCC's form an alliance themselves. After all if one taker Aer Lingus, they seem to have converted to some sort of LCC policy still compatible with One World. Given this, would it mean EasyJet, Ryanair, JetBlue, etc could once be part of some alliance?
Thanks in advance
Regards BM
[Edited 2005-09-16 11:02:35]
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Cornish From United Kingdom (England), joined Feb 2005, 7934 posts, RR: 52 Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 537 times:
There are already some agreements between Germanwings and bmibaby for example. I think tha tone or two of the other german LCCs have agreements with other european LCCs regarding selling seats on their services, almost like a code-share agreement, but without the dual flight numbers.
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Backfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 523 times:
Low-cost airlines base their model on point-to-point transport, independent of connectivity restraints, frequently using secondary airports. This effectively cuts out the whole point of joining alliances, which are designed to take advantage of connectivity and co-ordination at primary hubs.
Low-cost airline models are also based on reduction of services, while carriers in major alliances are expected to maintain a certain service level - again, the two concepts conflict.
There is a growing trend towards tie-ups between budget carriers - particularly in areas such as cross-marketing and Internet booking, as well as a degree of connectivity. But this is a completely different alliance concept to that of Oneworld, Star and SkyTeam.
Gkirk From United Kingdom (Scotland), joined Jun 2000, 23189 posts, RR: 59 Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 523 times:
Spanair comes to mind. They offer a large number of charter flights
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Cornish From United Kingdom (England), joined Feb 2005, 7934 posts, RR: 52 Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 513 times:
Quoting Gkirk (Reply 4): Spanair comes to mind. They offer a large number of charter flights
Spanair is a full service carrier.
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SK601 From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 937 posts, RR: 5 Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 508 times:
ATA and Southwest? When I was shopping for flights between the east and west coast on southwest.com, all flights from the NYC area were ATA flights and can be booked on the WN website. (I finally bought my ticket with CO since they offered the lowest price and the best flightschedule!)
MH017 From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 932 posts, RR: 14 Reply 8, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 500 times:
BM (Rootsair),
Air Berlin and Niki form some sort of LCC alliance; also Air Berlin (AB) and Hapagfly.com (HF) co-operate with eachother....moreover Hapagfly.com (HF)quotes in their time-table: "unser partner Hapag-Lloyd Express HLX" (X3)
USADreamliner From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 361 times:
Quoting Backfire (Reply 3): Low-cost airlines base their model on point-to-point transport, independent of connectivity restraints, frequently using secondary airports. This effectively cuts out the whole point of joining alliances, which are designed to take advantage of connectivity and co-ordination at primary hubs.
Exactly.
Can you imagine Ryanair in OneWorld?Next to BA,EI,IB and AY...
Easyjet in StarAlliance?with BM,LH,SK...
...I don't think a LCC is welcome in any big Alliance.
Srbmod From United States, joined Mar 2001, 13479 posts, RR: 43 Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 283 times:
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Well once the US/HP merger is finished, there will be an LCC in the Star Alliance (Ted and Song don't count as LCCs being in an alliance, as they are flights operated under the parent airline's OC).
I would not be surprised if some of the LCCs do start to form alliances. In the late 1990s-early 2000s, there were talks of a codeshare alliance between Frontier and AirTran. America West for a short time had an alliance with TWA. I think that here in North America, an alliance between AirTran, Spirit, Frontier, and WestJet would make sense. AirTran is strong in the Eastern US and into part of the Midwest, Spirit has a growing Caribbean and Latin American network, Frontier has a decent network in the West Coast, and WestJet has a very strong Canadian network.
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Nubes From Netherlands, joined Jun 2005, 43 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 242 times:
Quoting MH017 (Reply 8): Air Berlin and Niki form some sort of LCC alliance
Niki is indeed an alliance where AB is part of, together with HF and, I think, Lauda Air.. I remember someone talking about the name Niki, which came from the coureur Niki Lauda, owner of Lauda Air..
But AB is a low fare airline, not a lowcost carrier.. AB serves proper meals on board and has a lot of things normal airlines have (thru check-in, connecting flights, interline baggage, paper tickets, FQTV-programs)
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