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Boeing 777 Orders For 2005 (Vol II)  
User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4186 posts, RR: 89
Posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 16694 times:
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I had been running This thread on Boeing's 777 Series order book for 2005. However, it was becoming long and it became archived. We were getting some very good and equitable contributions to that thread and as some have asked I thought I would post another to take us into year end. The more so given that 2005 appears likely to be the 777s best sales year since 2000.

To date Boeing have the following net 34 firm orders listed on their site:

Air France: 5 x 772F & 4 x 773ER
ANA: 4 x 773ER
Continental: 2 x 772ER
ILFC: 2 x 772ER & 6 x 773ER
TAAG: 2 x 772ER
Unidentified: 1 x 772ER, 5 x 773ER & 4 Model yet to be announced

Cancellations: United 1 x 772ER

Boeing has 59 Pending orders announced yet contract not finalised or listed on their site;

Air India: 5 x 772LR & 10 x 773ER
Biman: 4 x 772ER
EVA: 10 x 772F
Jet Airways: 10 x 773ER (refer below)
Qatar Airways: 20 777s (refer below)

9W recently filed with the local financial regulatory authority that they have finalised an order for 10 773ERs after having previously announced their intent for 6 x 772LR & 4 x 773ER. Perhaps they placed the order with conversion rights to 772LR if they receive regulatory approval for certain routes. I await their more formal announcement to see why they went with 10 773ERs.

QR, at Le Bourget, stated they would order "at least" 20 777 Series. They stated they expected to sign the order around now and I would be interested to hear whether anyone has heard of which 777s they'll go for. I assume that they'll order 10 x 773ER, 6 x 772LR & 4 x 772F.

That is a total of 93 announced orders and commitments and with Mr McNerney recently alluding to further orders we may well see over 100 commitments for the series this year, however, can Boeing match the 2000 sales figure? The previous thread brought in some good information, we figured out whom 2 UFO 772s were most likely for, we found out that AZ were interested in more frames. Also, KLM are interested in their 15th & 16th 772ER. With that in mind I'll list whom I feel could place order's before year end.

KLM - As stated, they are negotiating for their 15th & 16th 772ERs
EL AL - They have stated they are looking to procure further 777s, maybe via Lease.
PIA - Another thread mentions they wish to expand their fleet to 12, they only have 8 on order IIRC
Etihad - Have expressed an interest in the 772F & 772LR, perhaps an order at Dubai?

Finally not to forget current RFP's for Qantas, SQ & CX. Also there is Emirates whom after speaking very positively on the 772LR have gone rather quiet recently. I assume we're awaiting an announcement at Dubai too.

We now have 10 Unidentified 777 orders and no-one seems any wiser as to whom these could be for. My best guess is limited to the single 772ER being ILFC for AMs 3rd 777 for delivery in second half of 2006. Also we are no closer to knowing whom the 6 773ERs ILFC ordered at Le Bourget are for. Has anyone heard any more on these UFO or the ILFC orders?

Again, I have ommitted Air Canada from this as their order was never finalised prior to cancellation and I feel that given the time since this the original order most likely cannot be re-instated.

I apologise for not mentioning Airbus but my post is aimed at 777 orders for 2005 only. For those who wish to see an accurate year to date sales census of all models for both Airbus and Boeing I suggest This thread by Hamlet69 for an equitable summary.

Anyway, again, I had a few questions about 777 orders and would appreciate any clarifications, corrections or updates or discussion from anyone who may be able to assist.

Thanks and Regards

PANAM_DC10


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User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6596 posts, RR: 55
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 16559 times:

Nice to see this topic revisted again!

I would perhaps go with Raggi's suggestion for this latest UFO for 4 777s; Biman Bangladesh. I think that they realized that they need to put the order in to not have to wait too long and that they are making progress in getting financing.

I'm also looking forward to the officiial press release regarding Jet Airways' 777 purchase. I think Qatar may also firm up their order no later than at the Dubai Air Show, hopefully sooner.

Hopefully Qantas will announce an order for 777s before Christmas; that would be great ! Perhaps CX as well!

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User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4186 posts, RR: 89
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 16318 times:
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Hi The777Man

You are correct, it will be an interesting final quarter and with the amount of "pending" orders it will be interesting to see just how many Boeing will sign this year. QR should act soon now they are making their commitment to the A350 more formal.

Anyway, there have been 2 further interesting developments for the 777 series, from F.I.

This 777-200ER order has also been long-deferred and it remains unclear whether Garuda still intends to take the jets.

That was part of the statement when GA announced their 787 order. Just as we saw last year with AA's deferrals we may well see another cancellation this year. To me it appears GA may transfer their deposits for the 6 772ERs to the 787s they'll take. More clarity is needed though.

The other is EL AL, They have formally issued an RFP for 2 772ER or 2 A340s with a decision due by year end. It is most likely they'll lease them so not sure of availabilty.

As for the 4 "UFO" booked last week, any chance they could be the AF options on the 4 772F they have?

Regards, PanAm_DC10



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User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2744 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 16216 times:

PanAm_DC10,

I would also like to thank you for keeping this thread going. I have always counted the 777 as my favorite commercial aircraft (guess it helps having a few personal connections to it, doesn't it?  Wink ), and I keep track of it's development fairly closely.

To respond to some of your points:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
I assume that they'll order 10 x 773ER, 6 x 772LR & 4 x 772F.

I will be very curious as to the exact break-down of this order. I think you're close here, but I honestly think a few more Freighters will be involved.

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
Mr McNerney recently alluding to further orders we may well see over 100 commitments for the series this year, however, can Boeing match the 2000 sales figure?

Will depend on how many commitments can be finalized before Jan. 1. Based on the orders already announced, and the orders that I believe will be announced over the next three months, I don't think the problem will be numbers, but timing. Just between QF and EK, 777 orders/commitments will push well past 2000. But will all these be firmed up by year-end?

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
we figured out whom 2 UFO 772s were most likely for

And those are. . . . ?

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
we found out that AZ were interested in more frames.

But unfortunately don't have the money for them at the moment.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 1):
I would perhaps go with Raggi's suggestion for this latest UFO for 4 777s; Biman Bangladesh.

My initial thinking was along the same lines. With the strike going on, however, my sources of information are a little tied up. . .  banghead 

Quoting The777Man (Reply 1):
I think Qatar may also firm up their order no later than at the Dubai Air Show

Should be sooner. I actually expect it, based on tidbits of info, to be finalized in the next 2-3 weeks.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 1):
Hopefully Qantas will announce an order for 777s before Christmas

Whichever way Qantas goes, the announcement is expected by mid-November. We'll see if that gets delayed or not, but that is the current timing.

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 2):
As for the 4 "UFO" booked last week, any chance they could be the AF options on the 4 772F they have?

Doubtful, as AF have 3, not 4 options on these birds.

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2005/q2/nr_050524g.html


Regards,

Hamlet69



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User currently offlineDalecary From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 16104 times:

Isn't EY also expected to announce 772LR/772F commitment shortly? They were pretty upbeat on it when the 772LR visited the Gulf region a couple of months ago.
Reuters is today reporting that EL AL will be purchasing 2 772ER/A342 within 3 months. I'm not sure how accurate the A342 is. You would expect 343 to be more likely.
I would fully expect QF to go for the 777, and the more I hear, the more likely I think they will go for a 772LR/773ER combo.
SQ will order 772LR to replace their 345s.
CX could go either way, but I believe the 773ER is favourite there.
EK is the tricky one. Was expecting a large A359/772LR/772F/773ER order at DXB, but the 787-9 stretch proposal may alter that. My thinking was that the 359 order would allow EK to cancel the 346 order, allowing EK to standardise on a 359/777/380 fleet. If Boeing could convince EK to go with the 787-9 stretch, then it may be harder for EK to cancel the 346 order. Consequently, a large 777 order would be far less likely.
No doubt there are some more 777/340 competitions going on that are not publicly known.


User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4186 posts, RR: 89
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 15932 times:
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Hi Hamlet69

Thank you for your response. If I may, I shall respond in kind sir.

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 3):
I don't think the problem will be numbers, but timing. Just between QF and EK, 777 orders/commitments will push well past 2000. But will all these be firmed up by year-end?

I tend to agree. Despite 9W not being listed with their 10 Boeing will have sold a net of 44 which is their best since 2000. Both Airbus and Boeing executives (Mr Leahy & Mr Bell) are talking of 2005 being a "peak" in orders so I expect some will be carried over to 2006 before being "firmed"

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 3):
And those are. . . . ?

My poor grammar as I posted from a lounge prior to boarding, you guessed it, a B777! I should have stated I learned whom 2 of ILFC's 772s are for. Apologies for the error.

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 3):
Doubtful, as AF have 3, not 4 options on these birds.

But they may well be freighters as per the link below;

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/241708_freighter22.html

Which leads to an answer for the following

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 3):
Quoting The777Man (Reply 1):
I would perhaps go with Raggi's suggestion for this latest UFO for 4 777s; Biman Bangladesh.

My initial thinking was along the same lines. With the strike going on, however, my sources of information are a little tied up. . .



Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 3):
guess it helps having a few personal connections to it, doesn't it?

Perhaps that was why your information was a little tied up  Wink

Regards, PanAm_DC10



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User currently offlineN60659 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 654 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 15800 times:

With the update to the Boeing Orders and Deliveries website for the week ending 09/20/2005, the owner of four of the 10 UFO 777s has been identified as the "Avion Group".

-N60659



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User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 15775 times:

Hi PanAm_DC10!

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
Air India: 5 x 772LR & 10 x 773ER

The AI Webpage lists:

~ 8 Boeing 777-200LR

~ 15 Boeing 777-300ER


These numbers do not match with yours, but maybe the difference are on optional basis. Do you have a clue about this?

Cheers, Mr N.


User currently offlineN60659 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 654 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 15721 times:

Quoting N60659 (Reply 6):
With the update to the Boeing Orders and Deliveries website for the week ending 09/20/2005, the owner of four of the 10 UFO 777s has been identified as the "Avion Group".

These 4 orders are for the 777F. Aircraft to be operated by Air Atlanta Icelandic:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/241708_freighter22.html

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 7):
The AI Webpage lists:
~ 8 Boeing 777-200LR
~ 15 Boeing 777-300ER
These numbers do not match with yours, but maybe the difference are on optional basis. Do you have a clue about this?

The actual order is as follows:

777-200LR - 5 firm + 3 options (total 8)
777-300ER - 10 firm + 5 options (total 15).

Here is the source:
http://www.boeing.com/news/breakingnews/2005/050426a.html

-N60659

[Edited 2005-09-22 17:55:15]


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User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4186 posts, RR: 89
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 15607 times:
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Hi Mr N. as N60659 kindly pointed out for me I do not tally options. Just what the carrier will commit to on a firm basis. So your initial assumption of my numbers was correct sir. I saw a report that AI should soon be cleared to sign for these shortly.

Quoting N60659 (Reply 8):
These 4 orders are for the 777F. Aircraft to be operated by Air Atlanta Icelandic

That's a good order and it's pleasing to see another Launch customer for the 772F, the more so after AC. It will be interesting to see whom they will place them with.

To add to news on KLM This thread by Kappel seems to allude to further purchases by the carrier. Perhaps more than their 15th & 16th 772ER too.

Still not sure why 9W isn't listed on Boeing's site despite their confirmation via their filing in India.

Regards, PanAm_DC10



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User currently offlineJMO-777 From Germany, joined Apr 2002, 501 posts, RR: 17
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 15408 times:

Hi!

With Austrian's board agreed to order another 777, the one unidentified 772ER with GE enignes will be for Austrian?
Just a little thought of me  Wink

GreetZ,
Jan



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User currently offlineUSAF336TFS From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1445 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 15264 times:

Quoting JMO-777 (Reply 10):
With Austrian's board agreed to order another 777, the one unidentified 772ER with GE enignes will be for Austrian?
Just a little thought of me

I'm thinking you may be right.

Regards,
Sal



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User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4186 posts, RR: 89
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 14960 times:
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Quoting USAF336TFS (Reply 11):
Quoting JMO-777 (Reply 10):
With Austrian's board agreed to order another 777, the one unidentified 772ER with GE enignes will be for Austrian?
Just a little thought of me

I'm thinking you may be right.

That'll be the 772ER booked on August 11th. It may be the case, though I'm not quite too sure given the wording of the Austrian Airlines statement.

In its meeting today, the Supervisory Board of Austrian Airlines AG approved the application to purchase a Boeing B777-200ER long-range jet as the first replacement for the sale of two Airbus A340-200 aircraft.

If they only approved it last week, they couldn't have ordered it in August, right? The statement seems to approve the airline to negotiate and place an order for a new frame. Could just be all in the wording though.

Also, today EL AL have confirmed an order for 2 777-200ER. The Ex-Im Bank is involved in the financing of this order in which case it may take a little while before we see it appear on Boeing's order site.

Regards, PanAm_DC10



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User currently offlineJMO-777 From Germany, joined Apr 2002, 501 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 14813 times:

Hey PanAm,

perhaps they did a little bit of forecasting at Austrian and have ordered it already in August to have a good timed delivery slot available for them.

Here an updated 2005 777-orderlist:

  • All Nippon (GE): 4x 773ER
  • Air France (GE): 4x 773ER
  • Air France (GE): 5x 77F
  • ILFC (GE): 2x 772ER
  • ILFC (GE): 6x 773ER
  • Unidentified (GE): 4x 773ER
  • TAAG (?): 2x 772ER
  • Continental (GE): 2x 772ER
  • Unidentified (GE): 1x 772ER
  • Avion Group (GE): 4x 77F
  • EL AL (RR): 2x 772ER


GreetZ,
Jan

[Edited 2005-10-02 20:10:45]

[Edited 2005-10-02 20:11:16]


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User currently offlineSteveBerch From UK - Wales, joined Jun 2005, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 14764 times:

Am I right in thinking that the 777 has got a second lease of life over the last 12/18 months? Is this a direct result of the 787 or is that coincidental?

I have flown a few times transatlantic on UAs 772 and have always found it to be an excellent aircraft to fly in.

Thanks

Steve


User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 37
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 14706 times:

Quoting SteveBerch (Reply 14):
Am I right in thinking that the 777 has got a second lease of life over the last 12/18 months? Is this a direct result of the 787 or is that coincidental?


I think to some extent it is because the airlines that have 777s are expanding and ordering currently whereas over a year ago it was primarily the airlines that had already been operating A340s (or issues with ETOPs) that were expanding and ordering aircraft.

But the other reason is that since then the 773ER has come into service, and everyone has realized that Boeing has a superb aircraft family in the 777LR, whose fuel efficiency will help deal with high fuel prices, and that is seductive even to A340 operators.



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User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2744 posts, RR: 58
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 14579 times:

Quoting JMO-777 (Reply 10):
With Austrian's board agreed to order another 777, the one unidentified 772ER with GE enignes will be for Austrian?

Unlikely. As PanAm_DC10 stated, the Austrian board only just approved the purchase. Therefore, there would not have been the legal steps in place in order for Boeing to confirm the order in August and book it.

Is it possible? I guess, if the airline was able to make a down payment for the aircraft without board approval. But like I said, unlikely.

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 12):
Also, today EL AL have confirmed an order for 2 777-200ER. The Ex-Im Bank is involved in the financing of this order in which case it may take a little while before we see it appear on Boeing's order site.

We will probably not see this order listed until sometime in mid- to late-December.

Quoting JMO-777 (Reply 13):
TAAG (?): 2x 772ER

TAAG has selected the GE 90 for their aircraft. Unfortunately, I'm not positive which specific model.


Regards,

Hamlet69



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User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 14549 times:

Quoting Dalecary (Reply 4):
Isn't EY also expected to announce 772LR/772F commitment shortly?

Sorry. Don't know who EY is...mis-type? Hover feature says Mayan World of Guatemala...and I know that isn't what you meant....



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Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 14493 times:

Quoting Stirling (Reply 17):
Sorry. Don't know who EY is...mis-type? Hover feature says Mayan World of Guatemala...and I know that isn't what you meant....

EY is Etihad. They said they were negotiating with Boeing for a 77F purchase around the time the 772LR visited the Gulf States.


User currently offlineN60659 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 654 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 14295 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
Jet Airways: 10 x 773ER

This is firm today based on Boeing's press release and is being discussed in this thread:

Boeing Confirms 10x773 For Jet (by Cloudyapple Oct 4 2005 in Civil Aviation)

The weekly Orders webpage update on Thursday (10/6/2005) hopefully will capture this order.

The LoI publicised at the Paris airshow this year called for 10 firm + 10 options. The press release makes no mention of the options. Does anyone have any information on whether these are included with this firm order?

-N60659



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User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4186 posts, RR: 89
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 14145 times:
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JMO-777 Thanks for the updated list. However, to keep the numbers in line with what Boeing has booked we need to include UA's cancellation of 1 772ER and as Hamlet69 pointed out even though EL AL have announced their order it probably won't appear on the Boeing site for some time.

Quoting N60659 (Reply 19):
The weekly Orders webpage update on Thursday (10/6/2005) hopefully will capture this order.

Hi N60659 It's good to have Boeing confirm the order and as 9W have also formally announced it we should see it this week.

Quoting N60659 (Reply 19):
The LoI publicised at the Paris airshow this year called for 10 firm + 10 options. The press release makes no mention of the options. Does anyone have any information on whether these are included with this firm order?

Yes. Though Boeing did not mention the options, Jet have. In their formal Filing with the Mumbai Stock Exchange dated Sept 12th. It specifically stated the Company has an option to buy an additional 10 Boeing 777 Series. They do not specify a model though.

Regards, PanAm_DC10



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User currently offlineN60659 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 654 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 14055 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 20):
Yes. Though Boeing did not mention the options, Jet have. In their formal Filing with the Mumbai Stock Exchange dated Sept 12th. It specifically stated the Company has an option to buy an additional 10 Boeing 777 Series. They do not specify a model though.

Thanks PanAm_DC10 for your insight into this order. Now, wouldn't it be great if we could just get an idea of what models are mentioned in the list of options, specifically if the 772LR is part of that mix?

-N60659



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User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 13988 times:

EL AL has firmed up with the 777 frames.

Can't wait to hear about the other 787 orders!



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5790 posts, RR: 47
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 13944 times:

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 22):
Can't wait to hear about the other 787 orders!

Word from the Yahoo Orders Group website is that Boeing will be announcing 6 new 787 customers very soon. No details as to when, who or how many but with Airbus due to launch the A350 soon I wouldn't put it past Boeing to steal some A350 thunder by announcing these orders tomorrow.

Does anyone have any inside scuttlebutt as to who they may be and how many?



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User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4109 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 13902 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 23):
I wouldn't put it past Boeing...

I would...they aren't going to break their company policy of letting the customer decide when to announce an order just to steal thunder. That isn't to say some airlines wouldn't want to announce to do the same. Would be interesting if EK announced a 50/50 order for 789s tomorrow, eh?


25 USAF336TFS : Does anyone want to venture a guess when we'll see the planned OS 777ER purchase confirmed?
26 Post contains links PanAm_DC10 : I would say today sir Boeing Commercial Airplane of P.O. Box 3707 MC 21-70 Seattle, wash-out. 98124-2207 www.Boeing.com Austrian airlines orders a fu
27 Post contains images JMO-777 : Ok, here we go with another update! * All Nippon (GE): 4x 773ER * Air France (GE): 4x 773ER * Air France (GE): 5x 77F * ILFC (GE): 2x 772ER * ILFC (GE
28 Blsbls99 : Wow...GE looks to be having a banner year too!
29 Post contains images USAF336TFS : Thank you sir! For both the excellent post and terrific translation! Looks like a banner year for both Boeing and GE. Congratulations to all, and esp
30 Post contains images PanAm_DC10 : Most definately JMO-777, Thank you. Now let's live by my signature and see if we can improve a little on what Boeing's customers have been talking ab
31 Dalecary : They'll get orders at SQ(772LR), QF(not sure what mix of 772LR/773ER), EK(773ER,772LR,77F) . Don't know about EY,who announced an interest in the 772
32 Hamlet69 : That's what I have as well. Though I have not been told specifically one way or another, IMO, the 738/787 commitment will replace the current 73G/777
33 Dhefty : A340 orders have been falling steadily for 3 years now, and that was before the A350 and B787. With the price of fuel and the B777-300ER, I think it
34 Post contains links PanAm_DC10 : Seems this call is not so wild after all if we refer to this thread which does appear to support some options conversions soon. Additionally, the AI
35 Luisca : Do you guys remember a thread about a year ago about UPS being interested in the then theoretic 772F? I wonder if this will be revived now that it has
36 Post contains links PanAm_DC10 : Luisca UPS were spoken of as a launch customer for the 777F but took most by surprise by ordering 8 744F. This thread should explain a little more in
37 PanAm_DC10 : Seem's QFA001 was right in the previous thread and that Philippines Airlines are indeed looking to acquire either A340's or B777s Oct. 21 (Bloomberg)
38 Zvezda : A B773F would weigh more and carry less by weight (which is what generally counts) than the B777F. It would cost more to build and cost more to opera
39 Ual747-600 : Flight International is reporting today that ANA will order 4 additional 773ers. UAL747-600
40 Hamlet69 : If this is the same as the other thread you posted elsewhere, I suggest you look at the date on that article. It's from early February, when ANA did
41 Sq212 : For update: 2 more 787 for NZ Cheers
42 Post contains links PanAm_DC10 : As this thread states it appears AC have found a resolution to their arbitration process with their Pilots. If that's the case I guess we can expect t
43 Vunz : What about the numbers 11, 12, 13 and 14?
44 PanAm_DC10 : These are already ordered. KLM has 6 firm orders from Boeing and 8 announced via lease from ILFC so they would be part of those orders. KLMs last dir
45 Vunz : Thanks! Any ideas when those will be delivered?
46 Amirs : It seems everyone, except LY, is ordering GE engines. Are they that more superior, or is it because of the commonality with 773?
47 Post contains links N60659 : If you look at Boeing's website for 777 orders for 2005, you will see there have been 46 total orders for various versions. Of these: 38 orders are f
48 Hamlet69 : TAAG will be flying GE90's. Regards, Hamlet69
49 Dkny : Unconfirmed rumors in Ethiopia is that ET will receive two 777's beginign Feb '06. Don't know where it's coming from but it will be used to start ADD-
50 Hamlet69 : If so, they won't be new. Production is firmly booked at the moment until November at the earliest. Only possibility is if AM backed out of their lea
51 The777Man : Hi ! I think ET may be looking at some aicraft that are currently with RG. There was talk a few months ago that ET was going to get some of them. I th
52 Sergeant655 : Air Canada has settled the issue with the piolits that caused the cancellation of the boeing order. look for them to reorder soon. beoing will honor t
53 Post contains links N60659 : This is official today: http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2005/q4/nr_051109g.html Looks like the numbers in the order have not changed from the Apr
54 WhiteHatter : Air New Zealand's aircraft have Trent engines on the 772ER. The GE90 is the only available power on the 772LR/773ER/772F so customers ordering other
55 PanAm_DC10 : I do understand they have 2 options for 772ERs and I would tend to agree with the following if they require new production frames; Though to the best
56 Dkny : ET has options for 3. When they took options did they reserve delivery slots. If so maybee they used their options? Is that possible?
57 Post contains links and images N60659 : Very nice recap PanAm_DC10. I just seek one clarification: . Unless something has changed, I was under the impression that this was supposed to be 5 x
58 Ghost77 : AM is sure taking those frames but will not be until March... originally AM's frames were expected to be built and rolling for tests on Jan20sth.. De
59 PanAm_DC10 : Thanks N60659 and for your very detailed response on the outstanding RFP's. I have seen those numbers though I didn't post them as it was too late. A
60 Post contains links N1786b : Is this new? The Nation (Nairobi) November 16, 2005 Posted to the web November 15, 2005 Nation Reporter Nairobi Boeing and Kenya Airways have announce
61 PanAm_DC10 : Hi N1786b Indeed it is new. So that's another 772ER for Kenya plus an option for one more. Pending totals for announced deals now increase to 72 Just
62 PanAm_DC10 : Boeing have updated their weekly orders site and the following are listed 18 x various models for AC 1 x 772ER for Kenya Airways Total sales now stand
63 NYC777 : Hopefully EK can add a 787 order to that next week!
64 Hamlet69 : FWIW, I was told back in March/April that EK would be ordering 26 firm 777-300ERs. Though this was supposed to be announced at Paris, it obviously di
65 PanAm_DC10 : Thanks Hamlet69 it would be a substantial boost to the program if CX went with the 777 Series. Are CX talking solely 773ER or are there 772LRs as wel
66 Dalecary : Whatever CX orders(and 773ER looks the favourite), it appears an announcement is not far away at all. The Seattle Times did say last week that they th
67 Post contains images JMO-777 : Hi! For a better overview, I've done a new sum-up-list. Firm orders: NH: 4x 773ER (GE) AF: 4x 773ER (GE) AF: 5x 77F (GE) ILFC: 2x 772ER (?) ILFC: 6x 7
68 Post contains images PanAm_DC10 : EK is Confirmed as 24 x 773ER, 10 x 772LR, 8 x 772F and 20 Purchase Rights JMO-777 Thank you for a great reply and I must compliment you on your home
69 JMO-777 : Thank you PanAm_DC10 for your compliments regarding my website! So, with Emirates' latest 777-order we have now over 777 ordered Tri7s. And the 800th-
70 The777Man : Very nice and sizable order! Very nice that they are getting 10 777-200LR! Nice webpage, JMO-777! You never told me it was finished! The777Man
71 JMO-777 : @The77Man: Really??? Have I forgotten to inform you? I'm sorry, my fault. But it is not finished yet. The next big part comes online at the end of the
72 The777Man : This order means that EK will have 93 777s in their fleet when all are delivered (unless they retire some of the older ones before all the new ones ar
73 Dynkrisolo : But you know they will. Also, nearly all of their 777s currently in their fleet are leased. I believe it's 77, 46 772ers, 12 773s, and 19 773ers. No
74 PanAm_DC10 : That's right. Until today they only had 4 direct orders from Boeing for 773ERs, however, they also had 9 options outstanding. I couldn't see it in th
75 Post contains links PanAm_DC10 : Emirates are confirmed now on Boeing's order book to take total 777 Series year to date sales to 106. With several pending orders Boeing will have the
76 PanAm_DC10 : It has been discussed and S2 have been seen as placing a potential order though we can now rule that out as their Chairman has stated that they will
77 Sq212 : PanAm_DC10 Great news for your update CX Grand Prize order: 16x 773ER. So Your total will be 122. QF will be next, hopefully the total will be in 130
78 N328KF : Actually, CX is acquiring 12 773ERs directly, and 4 through ILFC. What we don't know is if ILFC will fill those four out of existing orders.
79 N1786b : Today's update: El Al firmed up its 2 orders. UFOs now up to 8. Total booked is now 108 for a net of 109 - N1786B
80 N60659 : So it looks like there were two additions to the 777 UFO category. Pure speculation on my part, but could these be from a lessor (ILFC, GECAS etc) fo
81 Post contains images PanAm_DC10 : Thanks Sq212 thought it best to wait for Boeing to update their site before responding. To set the record straight it's Boeing's total, not mine sir
82 The777Man : I think the UFO for the two 777s are for KL; either by direct order or by ILFC OR by AM. Yes, a fantastic year for the 777! Hopefully Qatar will firm
83 Post contains images Ikramerica : Amazing what building a fantastic upgraded aircraft that proves itself 10% better than promised after 2 years in service will do to sales of a family
84 N60659 : With Boeing's November update, this order now breaks down into: 13 x 772LR 3 x 773ER 2 x 777F This makes it the single largest order for the type. Cu
85 Post contains images N328KF : Any bets on this 772LR order being topped in an hour or two?
86 PanAm_DC10 : I didn't expect 13 to be ordered by AC that is a substantial boost for the 772LR and most pleasing to see. Not worth my life to bet on it, let alone
87 Blsbls99 : I'm surprised there are only 3 773ERs included in AC's order. Aren't those the first frames they are suppose to be getting?
88 Kaitak744 : Well, the day of fate has come. It is December 7th. QF will place an order. Lets just wait and see. Nevertheless, in Chicago, it is about midnight. So
89 Post contains links PanAm_DC10 : Quite a little time indeed, 14th if we're lucky though with reference to the following linked article, from one of A.nets newest members, we may well
90 Post contains links PanAm_DC10 : Boeing have updated their site with another 5 Unidentified 777s booked to take the year to date total's to 115. There is also some news which may expl
91 Post contains images Hamlet69 : PanAm_DC10, This has truly been an exceptional year for the 777, in fact promising to be the best year ever since it's official launch in 1990. Indeed
92 Lumberton : Unfortunately, I've forced myself to accept the trollish comments by many posters, but this sets a new low. Folks, this is not life or death, but a h
93 N60659 : PanAm_DC10 I echo Hamlet69's comments about the success of the 777 this year on the orders front. The first flight and test program for the 772LR has
94 OldAeroGuy : Don't forget the Avion Group (777F)
95 Hamlet69 : OldAeroGuy, I was attempting to only list those campaigns where the 777 was directly pitted against its competitor. AFAIK, Airbus did not offer anyth
96 Sq212 : PanAm_DC10 You've done a great service in providing us the most up-to-date info on 777 order status. AFAIC, you good self and Hamlet69 are specialist
97 PanAm_DC10 : Thanks Hamlet69, N60659, Sq212 & Lumberton for the words and the few of you who also contacted me privately. The thread is still open but after the me
98 Post contains links and images QFA001 : PanAm_DC10, about 1% of A.net users are brilliant and you are one of those. Never give in to tossers. Tsk tsk. An Orders member you are? You heard it
99 Starrion : Hamlet69, PanAm_DC10 Both of you have provided a good service to the forum by doing these threads. You're both on my RU list. Next week should be most
100 Post contains images PanAm_DC10 : No! QFA001 has hooked me back in. You're statement is made even worse given that I'm now one of the moderators, apparently the previous blokes shoes
101 OldAeroGuy : Fair enough. I understand your point now.
102 Post contains images QFA001 : Good; but let me tell you a secret. I deleted my A.net bookmark last week because I finally got fed-up with the number of terrible users outweighing
103 Post contains images Hamlet69 : Unfortunately, the information I hoped to obtain today didn't provide any insight into the current situation. So let's go off what we know already: IL
104 Zeke : I agree totally. I don’t believe a.net is the place for personal attacks, I have received a number from one of the posters in this thread, so I don
105 PanAm_DC10 : Zeke I've no problem with what you say. I'm mature enough to have stones thrown at me, no worries, however; To me, that is taking it too far. Abusive
106 Zeke : I do indeed, and if there is anything I can do to help you, just email me or send a private message, same goes for anyone.
107 The777Man : I'm also shocked and appalled by the fact that you recieve hate mail for keeping this thread going! Outrageous! Perhaps the UFO for 5 777s are for Bim
108 PanAm_DC10 : Thank you The777Man and many others who have sent messages too, thankfully the messages have stopped. Unfortunately not. They have downsized their A33
109 NYC777 : There are some people here who seriously need to get a life and a shrink! That's no way to treat people who are just trying to provide some insight a
110 Post contains links ChrisA330 : Bumping this up...Air Canada has finalized the breakdown of their order. 13 772LR 3 773ER 2 777F 14 787-8 http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/i
111 PanAm_DC10 : Thanks ChrisA330 for bringing this to the top as we have some further 777 news today. 1: No Qantas order! Mainly due to the fact that QF decided again
112 Hamlet69 : Previously, I would definitely agree with you. However, this year we have seen the following orders: G.E. Capital 26 737NG 40 A32X 2 A330 10 A350 I.L
113 Post contains images PanAm_DC10 : You are correct, I cannot convince you otherwise my good man. However, I believe they are still erring on the side of caution. Take GECAS and their 7
114 MauriceB : Bumping this up...Air Canada has finalized the breakdown of their order. 13 772LR 3 773ER 2 777F 14 787-8 wow, 12 LR's? guess they're really want to e
115 PanAm_DC10 : It's nice to see you on the thread MauriceB. It's actually 13 772LR The 773A doesn't have the range nor the performance of the 773ER. I believe the 7
116 PanAm_DC10 : Boeing have identified 5 of the UFO 777s as being for JAL, they are 773ERs, which makes that JAL's first follow on order for the 773ER. These were the
117 Post contains links Atmx2000 : Cathay Pacific has firmed orders for 12 773ERs and 20 purchase rights (that was quick unlike the state owned carriers of a certain country). http://ww
118 ACYWG : Don't forget this is before taking options into account, I would expect that with the current pattern of growth that AC is undertaking, that some of
119 Post contains links PanAm_DC10 : Thank you Atmx2000 with that Media Release I feel that Boeing have given us a clue as to how many 777 Series orders they will book for the year; With
120 JMO-777 : Hiho FriendZ! Another update to Boeing's order page, now we have 130 Tri7 orders. The CX and KL orders were added. AND there are more "UFO" orders tha
121 Post contains links PanAm_DC10 : Hi JMO-777 Correct, another UFO has been added or perhaps an order for 4 with 3 previously booked Unidentified 772ERs possibly being the KLM order. T
122 The777Man : But the UFO are now at 9 with the KL order at 3 listed seperatly. Boeing now updates the UFO column weekly so I still not sure that KL is behind the 3
123 Post contains images PanAm_DC10 : Hi The777Man You are correct, it will be cleared in the new year when we get the final update. Please note I referred ro the consideration Hamlet69 g
124 Post contains images Dannypro45 : I think we should add GF to this list as i understand they are looking to replace there B767-300ER and 5 A340's wz b773er ASAP
125 PanAm_DC10 : Thank you Dannypro45 I understand from another thread that GF maybe considering Narrowbodies at this point in time. To me that seemed to hold a degre
126 Georgiabill : As the year winds down any news on Qatar and their firming up their order fro 777's? Is their a possibility of seeing a order from Gulf Air next year?
127 Post contains images PanAm_DC10 : I too would like to know of any progress in relation to QRs order We've heard very little since initial reports earlier in the year. I thought TAAG w
128 USAF336TFS : PanAm_DC10 thank you for maintaining, what I consider, one of the most important and thoughful threads on A.Net. Your facts and figures are always acc
129 Post contains images PanAm_DC10 : Thank you USAF336TFS and my best regards to you too. Avion have surprised and increased their commitment to the 772F with an order for another 4. This
130 Sq212 : PanAm_DC10 For all your contributions and active participations in a.net, you deserved to be in my respected users list. Here's hoping that you will c
131 9V-SVC : Hi guys , thank you very much for the updates so far. Ever since I flew JA731J , I been a big fan fo the 773ER . I am absolutely delighted that more a
132 PanAm_DC10 : Thank you Sq212 much appreciated and a successful year to you too sir. Well, it's Thursday Jan 5th. Do we get the final tabulation of Boeings 2005 sal
133 Post contains images JMO-777 : May I post the 777 orders for 2005? Grand total orders of 154 777s. (with one cancellation, net orders are for 153 777s.) So 2005 topped the year 2000
134 Atmx2000 : AC ordered only 2 777Fs. Still the 777F has 23 orders and the 772LR has 36 orders. With QR's order the combined sales will surpass orders of the 777-
135 Areopagus : I've been wondering -- how did the 773ER come to be known as 77W?
136 JMO-777 : oops, sorry!!! I mixed up the AC order for 77F and 77W *hehe 77W, stands for 777 with 'raked' Winglets. GreetZ, Jan
137 AMSSFO : Apparently they cancelled 2 when they ordered the 767 in August. Boeing gives only 2 form NH Aren't these the KLM ones? Still there are 5 UFO on Boei
138 PanAm_DC10 : No, the 767s were cancelled in 2/05 and the 4 773ER were ordered in the same month. A user defined report shows 4 773ERs for ANA. Booked in Feb, next
139 AMSSFO : So if I understand this well enough, it means that due to some accountancy rules , two ANA 777's were booked as change because their deposits are pai
140 PanAm_DC10 : ...which were placed in a previous year, that is correct sir. Regards, PanAm_DC10
141 Post contains links and images PanAm_DC10 : 2006 here we are so it's time to bring this thread to an end. Thank you JMO-777 for posting a compilation of the full 2005 sales breakdown. When I sta
142 Atmx2000 : Just to be clear, I meant I expect the passenger version to get 60 sales.
143 The777Man : Thank You PanAm-DC10 for this great thread and looking forward to some new orders this year. Atmx2000; I think it's possible that the -200/LR sells mo
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