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User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3105 posts, RR: 10
Posted (9 years 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6400 times:

http://biz.yahoo.com/bizj/050916/1165565.html?.v=2

[Edited 2005-09-16 19:11:25]


http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050916/...u=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

[Edited 2005-09-16 19:23:45]

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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6377 times:

Wow..who would thought this not even 5 years ago?!! This will be VERY interesting if WN makes its way into ATL, competing against DL AND AirTran.

Alex



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8902 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6343 times:

Where would they go...until minimally Concourse F opens up, there isn't any gate space. Delta's got a lockdown on A/B, T is full, and D is pretty full too, even with the city-owned gates. Not to mention that E is also full a good chunk of the time and even then, good luck getting gates in the late afternoon-early evening.

Jeff


User currently offlineJohn From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1374 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6324 times:

Rest assured, Delta will continue to defend their ATL fortress, it's a very important asset and I don't see them backing off from that too much.

User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3105 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6295 times:

I think these articles point out that this might happen IF DL were to make some significant reduction in flights. Notice I said IF.

Correct me if I am incorrect.


User currently offlineAirStatDFW From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 376 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6295 times:

Hmm... very interesting, funny how they are willing to go to one of the busiest airports in the world but they can't come to DFW.

User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6271 times:

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 2):
Where would they go...until minimally Concourse F opens up, there isn't any gate space. Delta's got a lockdown on A/B, T is full, and D is pretty full too, even with the city-owned gates. Not to mention that E is also full a good chunk of the time and even then, good luck getting gates in the late afternoon-early evening.



Quoting AirStatDFW (Reply 5):
Hmm... very interesting, funny how they are willing to go to one of the busiest airports in the world but they can't come to DFW.

You people don't read the article, and if you do you don't understand it. Southwest is NOT going to ATL right now if DL stays like this. Southwest will only be interested if Delta cuts back a lot of flights so it is not crowded at ATL. THEN, Southwest will want to start flights at ATL.

As for why WN won't move to DFW, it is because of cost, and AA has to many flights at DFW as this is why WN stays from crowded Airports. At ATL, DL would have cut flights so itisn't as crowded, and the cost isn't so bad to operate out of there.

Alex



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User currently offlineN77014 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6260 times:

Quoting John (Reply 3):
Rest assured, Delta will continue to defend their ATL fortress, it's a very important asset and I don't see them backing off from that too much.

True. But DL in earnest coudn't run a tiny Airtran out of their hometown. Potentially, they would have to face a carrier with a market cap greater than all the other carriers in the nation combined, with competitive fuel hedging in place for the near future, plenty of planes on order to grow with, and one that would find plenty of unemployed ex DL folk looking for a place to work offering security and dignity. No, DL having to face WN directly is no pleasant experience, no matter how much resolve DL fans want to paint here.


User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6260 times:

Airtran wanted more gates even before the ch. 11 of Delta and they were not available. I don't know where WN would go. That press release alone would be enough make Delta lock down every gate possible in ATL to keep WN out.

User currently offlineAirStatDFW From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 376 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6227 times:

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 6):
and AA has to many flights at DFW as this is why WN stays from crowded Airports.

DL has more flights out of ATL than AA does at DFW. ATL is very crowded in my opinion.


User currently offlineLV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 2005 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6185 times:

I think it actually means WN might go to CVG.

User currently offlineN77014 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6173 times:

Quoting Quickmover (Reply 8):
Airtran wanted more gates even before the ch. 11 of Delta and they were not available. I don't know where WN would go. That press release alone would be enough make Delta lock down every gate possible in ATL to keep WN out.

This assumes of course that DL, and not the Hartsfield airport authority, control gate leases.


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6171 times:

Quoting AirStatDFW (Reply 5):
Hmm... very interesting, funny how they are willing to go to one of the busiest airports in the world but they can't come to DFW.

How exactly do you come up with "willing?" All he said was:

"There's been no discussion of Atlanta whatsoever, but that doesn't mean it can't come up in the future," said Ed Stewart, Southwest senior director of public relations. "In terms of knowing what to expect with the [bankruptcy] filing, we're at the starting gate. We just don't know what Delta's going to do. It's a question that has no answers right now."


User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4400 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6113 times:
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Quoting LV (Reply 10):
I think it actually means WN might go to CVG.

Good, they would be the first LCC in there other then the occasional USA300 charter. CVG is in desperate need of lower fares. I hope they enter CVG.



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User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3105 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6072 times:

Add AirTran:

http://biz.yahoo.com/bizj/050916/1165565.html?.v=3


User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4105 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6042 times:

I don't think DL would be the problem, but rather FL. I don't see FL just letting WN move right into their territory.

User currently offlineN77014 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5996 times:

[quote=FriendlySkies,reply=15]I don't think DL would be the problem, but rather FL. I don't see FL just letting WN move right into their territory.

Again, who runs the gate leases at the airport?


User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3483 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5953 times:

ATL will be the last place that DL downsizes. And if WN cut SFO due to delays, how in the WORLD could WN serve ATL?

Jeremy


User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9363 posts, RR: 26
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5939 times:

Quoting LV (Reply 10):
I think it actually means WN might go to CVG.

where on earth do people come up with just blatantly dumb assumptions like this?

Quoting John (Reply 3):
Rest assured, Delta will continue to defend their ATL fortress, it's a very important asset and I don't see them backing off from that too much.

Not only will Delta defend, but AirTran will defend, too. AirTran has too much invested into ATL already, and ATL knows it. If Delta budges even a little, AirTran will be the first to get the opportunity to move forward. Rest assured that won't happen much, Delta will remain proud, loyal, and huge in Atlanta as long as they continue to stay in business.



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User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5909 times:

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 17):
if WN cut SFO due to delays, how in the WORLD could WN serve ATL?

You know, the interesting thing is, these days, San Francisco International is one of the nation's best-performing airports in terms of on-time performance. Of course, Southwest leaving, combined with United cutting flights, tends to do that.



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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7521 posts, RR: 23
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5872 times:

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 17):
And if WN cut SFO due to delays, how in the WORLD could WN serve ATL?

Different scenario at SFO; WN still serves the region just across the bay at OAK. At present, there is NO other airport in the immediate ATL region that presently supports/offers scheduled airline service... just like PHL.

As others have said, I don't see FL rolling over and letting WN take over should DL drastically scale back or liquidate. This isn't MDW where FL only had a smaller presence compared to WN; ATL's their nucleus.



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User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5865 times:

Quote:
"We have a...product that competes with anyone."

Get some decent seat pitch in coach and then talk about how you compete.  Big grin



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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4674 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5825 times:

I dont think they'll be in ATL anytime soon...but i think CVG is looking better and better for WN every day.


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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7521 posts, RR: 23
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5806 times:

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 6):
As for why WN won't move to DFW, it is because of cost, and AA has to many flights at DFW as this is why WN stays from crowded Airports. At ATL

Plus the fact that WN presently serves the Metroplex out of DAL, where they originated, with intra-state flights as well as those that fall within the W/S A perimeter. Hopefully, W/S will get repealed soon but that's another topic for several other threads floating around here.



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User currently offlineNonRevKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5762 times:

Quoting KarlB737 (Reply 4):
I think these articles point out that this might happen IF DL were to make some significant reduction in flights. Notice I said IF.



Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 6):
Southwest will only be interested if Delta cuts back a lot of flights so it is not crowded at ATL. THEN, Southwest will want to start flights at ATL.

Right, and that's just not going to happen. Everything I've heard is that Delta will grow ATL even more, especially with a 30% increase in international travel. All this article is is hypothetical bullshit speculation.

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 13):
Good, they would be the first LCC in there other then the occasional USA300 charter. CVG is in desperate need of lower fares. I hope they enter CVG.

CVG has them. Delta's simplafares were initiated there.

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 15):
I don't think DL would be the problem, but rather FL. I don't see FL just letting WN move right into their territory

Exactly. FL won't have this. THEY were the big reason jetblue left, not Delta.

Again, this article is just a "what if", not factual in the least.

B


25 Quickmover : Maybe this is an off the wall thought, but do you suppose WN is making these press releases to muddy up the water even more for Delta and Airtran plan
26 Post contains images SATX : I was wondering the same thing.
27 Srbmod : Hasn't Herb Kelleher been quoted as saying "It'll be a cold day in Hell before we ever serve ATL!" The only way you'll ever see a WN a/c at ATL are th
28 Planespotting : not to mention that ya know, WN already serves an airport about 7 miles east of DFW that they've already invested millions and millions of dollars in
29 Pope : WN at ATL means DL in Ch 13 not 11.
30 FLAIRPORT : Wow, its been over a year since PIT service? I think they had 2 Pennsylvania services mixed up there.
31 LongbowPilot : WN reminds me of my mothers Silk Terrier. Runs up to the fenced in German Shepard and yaps, but just wait, one day the gate will be left open and that
32 SCCutler : Longbow, I agree that WN at ATL is a remote possibility, but to suggest that DL has the ability to dictate what WN does? WN has what DL hasn't- positi
33 AirRyan : Don't hold your breath WN junkies - UA just got approved to exit Ch11 today and when DL comes out they are going to be really agressive with a streaml
34 Kohflot : The hubris flying around that Delta is going to "defend" ATL till their dying breath is getting pretty thick. This is business we're talking about, no
35 Post contains images SRT75 : And, your point is? I'm a big fan of UA, but you must admit it is too early to tell what UA's long-term financial future looks like. It's carrying a
36 N908AW : DEN= FNL + COS... MSP= STC + (see signature)
37 Post contains images Swadispatcher : Scratch #2 off that list.. I don't think I'd use ATL unless I had no other choice..
38 Srbmod : Chapter 13 is for individuals. A corporate liquidation is handled under Chapter 7.
39 Ckfred : If I remember correctly, the City of Atlanta started courting airlines to fill up space on Concourse C, after EA shut down. The only airline intereste
40 Planespotting : haha, i was gonna say...how would a chapter 13 of a corporation work?!
41 Rage323machine : Dam as much as I hate Southwest (Im going to hear about this I know!) They have a killer plan.. Yes they do, they know how to run an airline very aggr
42 STLGph : Again. Where do you all come up with these ideas? Northwest uses their presence as a bargaining chip in Memphis. Delta uses their presence as a barga
43 Kohflot : And then throw the book away when you've got 55 mainline jets (including international inbounds) in CAE, TYS, CHA, HSV, BNA, BHM, MGM, CSG, MCN, AGS,
44 DC10rules : DTW is Detroit Metro. I think you mean DET (Detroit City). I flew in and out of there as a private and that airport is a dump (IMO). Cheers
45 PSU.DTW.SCE : People, this article is what is called "corporate non-speak" Basically you have a bunch of reporters who have no clue about the aviation industry now
46 Iowaman : Simplafares are still very expensive. The only place Simplafares made a difference is where they had to compete.
47 Post contains links Srbmod : The Delta cutback at CVG was announced almost a week before the Chapter 11 filing: http://news.delta.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=9852 Corporat
48 NonRevKing : Which makes perfect sense to start it out of CVG, where they don't really compete w/ anyone... Riiiiiiight. Simplafares reduced fares overall in some
49 Post contains links DB777 : You make it sound like airports can decide to bar certain carriers because they don't want to piss off their largest carrier. Wrong. Airports are req
50 STLGph : " target=_blank>http://news.delta.com/article_displa...=9852 Yes, so? Again, two words: resource allocation. Yes, except companies and government have
51 RobertS975 : WN already serves the greater Dallas area. It does not serve Atlanta. I fail to see the logic of your post.
52 Srbmod : Let's see, US cut service back at PIT, and who came into not too long afterwards, WN. They previously announced cuts at CVG may possibly be the begin
53 BH : Out of all the post, this one seems the most logical.
54 Milesrich : "Corporations can only file Chapter 11 or Chapter 7. Individuals can only file Chapter 13 or Chapter 7." The first sentence is true, the second is not
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