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I Fly BA, But Thanks For Cheap Flights O' Leary!  
User currently offlinePaul From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 374 posts, RR: 3
Posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2598 times:

I know it is stating the obvious but in contrast to all the negativity associated with RyanAir, which they deserve I feel. We must hail O' Leary and thank the conning git and his Budget Airline for cheap flights. Don't be fooled. I actually dislike RynAir, quite profoundly!

Unless your filthy rich one generally looks for the best deal. Especially when it comes to flying. With the industry becoming more competitive, lagging airlines have to make way for the new ones and airlines that offer cheaper flights attempt to force established ones out of lucrative markets.

Moving on to my point- had RyanAir not made flying so damn cheap (and I mean cheaper than EasyJet), I imagine that people who prefer to fly with respectable airlines, like BA, would see very little reduction in ticket prices. Before the arrival of EasyJet and chums it was unheard of to fly from LHR- MAD with BA for £100. But thanks to the LCC's, we can fly with good airlines, if we so chose. Which we do, for next to nothing. Love it!  

Thanks for the price war O' Leary, without it, flying short haul would still be expensive. Which it aint!

Regards to all!

Paul

[Edited 2005-09-16 19:25:56]


Veni, vidi, vici.
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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21476 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2566 times:

Yep, and you'll end up paying more one way or another, through some form of government aid to BA as they lose money on these services. See the USA for reference.


Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineRedDragon From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 1135 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2535 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
Yep, and you'll end up paying more one way or another, through some form of government aid to BA as they lose money on these services. See the USA for reference.

So the British government is going to bail British Airways out for war wounds it suffered in battle with dirty, worthless Ryanair?

Excuse me if I view your post as having less than stellar credibility.

Rich


User currently offlineEgmcman From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 898 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2539 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
Yep, and you'll end up paying more one way or another, through some form of government aid to BA as they lose money on these services. See the USA for reference.

UK airlines don't get any government help so effectively it's not a level playing field. There's no such thing as chapter 11 here in the UK if a company goes bankrupt administrators try and sell companies as going concerns or sell assets.

Cheers

egmcman


User currently offlineAirScoot From United States of America, joined May 2005, 688 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2522 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
Yep, and you'll end up paying more one way or another, through some form of government aid to BA as they lose money on these services. See the USA for reference.

I think there's a world of difference between the two markets. BA and others pre competition were outrageous for short-haul flights. They've been brought down to something akin to reasonable because of the competition.

What's going on here has less to do with healthy competition and more to do with corporate legal maneuvering.


User currently offlineEgmcman From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 898 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2516 times:

Quoting Paul (Thread starter):
I know it is stating the obvious but in contrast to all the negativity associated with RyanAir, which they deserve I feel. We must hail O' Leary and thank the conning git and his Budget Airline for cheap flights. Don't be fooled. I actually dislike RyanAir, quite profoundly!

Unless your filthy rich one generally looks for the best deal. Especially when it comes to flying. With the industry becoming more competitive, lagging airlines have to make way for the new ones and airlines that offer cheaper flights attempt to force established ones out of lucrative markets.

Moving on to my point- had RyanAir not made flying so damn cheap (and I mean cheaper than EasyJet), I imagine that people who prefer to fly with respectable airlines, like BA, would see very little reduction in ticket prices. Before the arrival of EasyJet and chums it was unheard of to fly from LHR- MAD with BA for £100. But thanks to the LCC's, we can fly with good airlines, if we so chose. Which we do, for next to nothing. Love it!

Thanks for the price war O' Leary, without it, flying short haul would still be expensive. Which it aint!

Regards to all!

Looks you got a bargain, healthy competition working well.

cheers

egmcman


User currently offlineZSOFN From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1413 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2482 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
Yep, and you'll end up paying more one way or another, through some form of government aid to BA as they lose money on these services. See the USA for reference.

There is a profound difference between the airline's economy in the US and in Europe/UK. Like Egmcman said, we have no Chapter 11 or Government bailout aid post-9/11. Thus legacy airlines can only be offering these cheap fares because they have significantly reduced their cost base, as we know BA has done dramatically. Without the competition that now exists, airlines in the past were able to become bloated and inefficient, however this is no longer the case.

Talking of the U.S, look what good Chapter 11 and $18bn aid has done!

In Europe, the inefficient airlines went bankrupt (sad but inevitable & essential) whilst those that survived did so because they made radical changes.


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19196 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2476 times:

I too am very pleased that so-called traditional carriers had to alter because of the emergence of low-cost airlines. A couple of things, in the least, have resulted. Firstly, these ‘legacy’ airlines have had to restructure and rationalise their operations and thus become more efficient and cost-conscious. Secondly, they had to restructure their pricing strategies, which has, on some routes, resulted in lower base fares. One consequence of the latter is that more people are able to fly more often - and not just on low-cost airlines.

The presence of the low-cost airlines acted as a wake-up call to some airlines and told them they must alter their operations if they are to survive. It did, I believe, stop complacency, at least partially. In a time when only the strongest, or fittest, survive, it is essential to try to continually keep ahead, not to have an inert culture, to seek to reduce costs and wastage wherever possible, ensure that the all-important stakeholders are very happy, and so forth.

[Edited 2005-09-16 19:54:13]


"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineFbgdavidson From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 3701 posts, RR: 28
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2460 times:

Quoting Paul (Thread starter):
Thanks for the price war O' Leary, without it, flying short haul would still be expensive. Which it aint!

Great post!  thumbsup 

Have to say I am very thankful to O'Leary and the gang for giving us the cheap flights. In the last month I've picked up BA flights where there is lo-co competition for £97 at 24hrs before the flight (DUB) and £64 (EDI), as you say Paul this wouldn't have happened pre-competition.



"My first job was selling doors, door to door, that's a tough job innit" - Bill Bailey
User currently offlinePaul From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 374 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2245 times:

Cheers Fbgdavidson.

You always seem to emerge at the right times. Hows things? I am moving to Madrid in 2 weeks for my placement year. Hopefully when I return I will be doing all this on the non existent Airliners. España. lol

Anyway mate, happy traveling and good luck with your endeavors!

regards

Paul!



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