ORD From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1370 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2342 times:
Nice to see UA bring this route back. I remember when this flight used to operate.
Airlineslover From Italy, joined Sep 2005, 59 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2105 times:
Sorry if I am wrong but I don't remember when MX used DC10-10 in the route to DEN, I remember that they flew in 72S and F-100 with stop overs in MZT, PVR, SJD and CJS, after that they started with 320 but with DC10-10 I didn't know it.... I also remember that the DC10-10 was used in flights (night flights) between MEX-GDL-SFO, MEX-PVR-SFO, MEX-GDL-LAX, MEX-GDL-MXL, MEX-HMO, and MEX-LAP-TIJ sometimes they used that aircraft to fly MEX-CUN-MIA and MEX-MTY..... Sorry if my info is wrong..... Cheers
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 79 Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2097 times:
Quoting Airlineslover (Reply 3): Sorry if I am wrong but I don't remember when MX used DC10-10 in the route to DEN, I remember that they flew in 72S and F-100 with stop overs in MZT, PVR, SJD and CJS, after that they started with 320 but with DC10-10 I didn't know it.... I also remember that the DC10-10 was used in flights (night flights) between MEX-GDL-SFO, MEX-PVR-SFO, MEX-GDL-LAX, MEX-GDL-MXL, MEX-HMO, and MEX-LAP-TIJ sometimes they used that aircraft to fly MEX-CUN-MIA and MEX-MTY..... Sorry if my info is wrong..... Cheers
Didn't they use DC-10-10s with JATO rockets attached or were those the 727s
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BA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11135 posts, RR: 61 Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2077 times:
Excellent news. I wonder how Mexicana will react? They are now at 5x weekly flights I believe. When they started the flight, it used to be daily. Of course, they still had the UA code-share back then since they were part of Star Alliance.
Regards
[Edited 2005-09-17 05:44:26]
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
BA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11135 posts, RR: 61 Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2042 times:
Quoting Mariner (Reply 6): They also got a million bucks from DIA for it.
I remember quite well.
In order to get the $1 million incentive, they had to operate the route as a daily service for a period of one year without any service interruptions. They did, so they got the incentive and can now do whatever they want.
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
StevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2015 times:
Quoting Mariner (Reply 6): They also got a million bucks from DIA for it.
Quoting BA (Reply 7): The irony being that both Frontier and United told DIA they had no interest in providing the service, thus missing out on the million.
In today's revenue environment, a million bucks is a million bucks...
Laxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22059 posts, RR: 51 Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2005 times:
Quoting N1120A (Reply 4): Didn't they use DC-10-10s with JATO rockets attached or were those the 727s
Had JATO B727s
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
Mariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 22723 posts, RR: 88 Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1992 times:
Quoting StevenUhl777 (Reply 10): In today's revenue environment, a million bucks is a million bucks...
Yes, but I don't think it is still on the table - I think it once only deal and Mexicana got it.
At one stage, DIA were offering a million to the first airline that would start service to any foreign "major" city, but they had a very clearly defined concept of "major".
I think Frontier only got about $50,000 for starting CUN, and less for the other Mexican resorts.
Then again, if someone, anyone, wanted to start DEN/NRT, or any Asian city, I think DIA would give them the moon and the stars.
Juventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2 Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1883 times:
UAcosCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1792 times:
Quoting BA (Reply 5): Excellent news. I wonder how Mexicana will react? They are now at 5x weekly flights I believe. When they started the flight, it used to be daily. Of course, they still had the UA code-share back then since they were part of Star Alliance.
Why did they leave the alliance? What prompted them to leave I should say.
Juventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2 Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1751 times:
Quoting UAcosCS (Reply 15): Why did they leave the alliance? What prompted them to leave I should say
Good question. I've heard a few different versions of the story, but whatever the reason, I wish they would have stayed. Rumors about them joining Oneworld have been ciculating for about 2 years, but nothing yet. Personally, I wish they went back to the Star Alliance.
EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7177 posts, RR: 45 Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1696 times:
MX's main Star Alliance partner was naturally UA, and MX was giving more than it was receiving. MX realized that it could have more benefits if it left the alliance and therefore it decided to not renew the UA codeshare agreement when it expired, thus having less codeshare flights with other Star carriers than the minimum required to be a member, and that is what got MX kicked out of the alliance. MX devised this strategy with lots of wit so as not to pay the penalties it would have incurred if it had voluntarily left.
MX is now better off as an independent player. It maintains codeshare agreements with AA, IB, AM (in few routes now, like AM's MEX-GRU and MX's MEX-SAL), VW, AV, CM, AC, RG, NZ, LA, LH, JL, QF, CX and one or two more I am forgetting. I believe that oneworld really wants to get MX but so far it seems that MX will continue as a solo player. I don't see MX going back to Star at all.
UAcosCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 1565 times:
Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 18): Despite all this new flight still I see UA as a weak player compared to the rest of the US majors like AA, DL and CO with flights to MEX...
isn't that the reason UA and the Star would want MX? Ua is weak in Mexico, but MX is weak everywhere else in the world, that isnt a slam on MX, they arent as big as UA in Asia,Canada,Europe, and so. Doesn't it make sense to keep an alliance or be a member of one and make some money off them?
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15733 posts, RR: 48 Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1502 times:
Quoting BA (Reply 5): I wonder how Mexicana will react?
I don't think MX will care since this route blew when they codeshared with UA, and it blows now that they are flying it alone. This will be a tough market for UA to make work--they'll probably do slightly better than MX but that's not saying much.
Juventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2 Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 1377 times:
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 21): I don't think MX will care since this route blew when they codeshared with UA, and it blows now that they are flying it alone
Anybody know the average load factor on this route? seems like a profitable route to me.
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15733 posts, RR: 48 Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1352 times:
Quoting Juventus (Reply 22): Anybody know the average load factor on this route? seems like a profitable route to me.
Just under 50% full for the latest 12 months that are available.
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