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UA Adding DEN-MEX  
User currently offlineUA744Flagship From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3005 times:

Daily A319 service. Not loaded yet.

This brings us up to 6 daily MEX flights.

SFOx1, LAXx2, DENx1, ORDx1, IADx1

[Edited 2005-09-16 20:09:46]

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User currently offlineORD From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2995 times:

Nice to see UA bring this route back. I remember when this flight used to operate.

User currently offlineN77014 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2979 times:

MX used the DC 10-15 with the 10-40 engines on this route to compensate for the hot/high conditions.

User currently offlineAirlineslover From Italy, joined Sep 2005, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2758 times:

Sorry if I am wrong but I don't remember when MX used DC10-10 in the route to DEN, I remember that they flew in 72S and F-100 with stop overs in MZT, PVR, SJD and CJS, after that they started with 320 but with DC10-10 I didn't know it.... I also remember that the DC10-10 was used in flights (night flights) between MEX-GDL-SFO, MEX-PVR-SFO, MEX-GDL-LAX, MEX-GDL-MXL, MEX-HMO, and MEX-LAP-TIJ sometimes they used that aircraft to fly MEX-CUN-MIA and MEX-MTY..... Sorry if my info is wrong..... Cheers

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2750 times:

Quoting Airlineslover (Reply 3):
Sorry if I am wrong but I don't remember when MX used DC10-10 in the route to DEN, I remember that they flew in 72S and F-100 with stop overs in MZT, PVR, SJD and CJS, after that they started with 320 but with DC10-10 I didn't know it.... I also remember that the DC10-10 was used in flights (night flights) between MEX-GDL-SFO, MEX-PVR-SFO, MEX-GDL-LAX, MEX-GDL-MXL, MEX-HMO, and MEX-LAP-TIJ sometimes they used that aircraft to fly MEX-CUN-MIA and MEX-MTY..... Sorry if my info is wrong..... Cheers

Didn't they use DC-10-10s with JATO rockets attached or were those the 727s



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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2730 times:

Excellent news. I wonder how Mexicana will react? They are now at 5x weekly flights I believe. When they started the flight, it used to be daily. Of course, they still had the UA code-share back then since they were part of Star Alliance.

Regards

[Edited 2005-09-17 05:44:26]


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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25013 posts, RR: 85
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2707 times:
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Quoting BA (Reply 5):
Of course, they still had the UA code-share back then since they were part of Star Alliance.

They also got a million bucks from DIA for it.

cheers

mariner



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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2695 times:

Quoting Mariner (Reply 6):
They also got a million bucks from DIA for it.

I remember quite well.  Smile

In order to get the $1 million incentive, they had to operate the route as a daily service for a period of one year without any service interruptions. They did, so they got the incentive and can now do whatever they want.



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25013 posts, RR: 85
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2693 times:
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Quoting BA (Reply 7):
I remember quite well.

The irony being that both Frontier and United told DIA they had no interest in providing the service, thus missing out on the million.

cheers

mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently offlineAirlineslover From Italy, joined Sep 2005, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2682 times:

Sorry but I don't know what JATO's mean..... could you explain me better, maybe I can help you with that info...... cheers Vic

User currently offlineStevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2668 times:

Quoting Mariner (Reply 6):
They also got a million bucks from DIA for it.



Quoting BA (Reply 7):
The irony being that both Frontier and United told DIA they had no interest in providing the service, thus missing out on the million.

In today's revenue environment, a million bucks is a million bucks... Wink


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24893 posts, RR: 46
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2658 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 4):
Didn't they use DC-10-10s with JATO rockets attached or were those the 727s

Had JATO B727s



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25013 posts, RR: 85
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2645 times:
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Quoting StevenUhl777 (Reply 10):
In today's revenue environment, a million bucks is a million bucks... 

Yes, but I don't think it is still on the table - I think it once only deal and Mexicana got it.

At one stage, DIA were offering a million to the first airline that would start service to any foreign "major" city, but they had a very clearly defined concept of "major".

I think Frontier only got about $50,000 for starting CUN, and less for the other Mexican resorts.

Then again, if someone, anyone, wanted to start DEN/NRT, or any Asian city, I think DIA would give them the moon and the stars.

cheers

mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2536 times:

Is Frontier interested at all in operaing to MEX?

User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25013 posts, RR: 85
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2467 times:
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Quoting Juventus (Reply 13):
Is Frontier interested at all in operaing to MEX?

Frontier turned down the DIA offer of a million, and they have not applied to the DOT for the route.

If they were interested in it, I'd guess that the United decision has killed it, at least for now.

United will be adding a lot of seats to a route that isn't filling planes on a daily basis.

cheers

mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently offlineUAcosCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2445 times:

Quoting BA (Reply 5):
Excellent news. I wonder how Mexicana will react? They are now at 5x weekly flights I believe. When they started the flight, it used to be daily. Of course, they still had the UA code-share back then since they were part of Star Alliance.

Why did they leave the alliance? What prompted them to leave I should say.


User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2404 times:

Quoting UAcosCS (Reply 15):
Why did they leave the alliance? What prompted them to leave I should say

Good question. I've heard a few different versions of the story, but whatever the reason, I wish they would have stayed. Rumors about them joining Oneworld have been ciculating for about 2 years, but nothing yet. Personally, I wish they went back to the Star Alliance.


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2349 times:

MX's main Star Alliance partner was naturally UA, and MX was giving more than it was receiving. MX realized that it could have more benefits if it left the alliance and therefore it decided to not renew the UA codeshare agreement when it expired, thus having less codeshare flights with other Star carriers than the minimum required to be a member, and that is what got MX kicked out of the alliance. MX devised this strategy with lots of wit so as not to pay the penalties it would have incurred if it had voluntarily left.

MX is now better off as an independent player. It maintains codeshare agreements with AA, IB, AM (in few routes now, like AM's MEX-GRU and MX's MEX-SAL), VW, AV, CM, AC, RG, NZ, LA, LH, JL, QF, CX and one or two more I am forgetting. I believe that oneworld really wants to get MX but so far it seems that MX will continue as a solo player. I don't see MX going back to Star at all.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5217 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2330 times:

Despite all this new flight still I see UA as a weak player compared to the rest of the US majors like AA, DL and CO with flights to MEX...

Will be interesting to see how MX will respond to this.

ghost77



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User currently offlineUAcosCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2218 times:

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 18):
Despite all this new flight still I see UA as a weak player compared to the rest of the US majors like AA, DL and CO with flights to MEX...

isn't that the reason UA and the Star would want MX? Ua is weak in Mexico, but MX is weak everywhere else in the world, that isnt a slam on MX, they arent as big as UA in Asia,Canada,Europe, and so. Doesn't it make sense to keep an alliance or be a member of one and make some money off them?


UAcosCS


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2197 times:

MX is happier with AA and IB as its main international partners. I am completely sure Star wants MX back but MX just does not want Star at all.


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17367 posts, RR: 46
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2155 times:

Quoting BA (Reply 5):
I wonder how Mexicana will react?

I don't think MX will care since this route blew when they codeshared with UA, and it blows now that they are flying it alone. This will be a tough market for UA to make work--they'll probably do slightly better than MX but that's not saying much.

[Edited 2005-09-19 03:11:16]


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User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2030 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 21):
I don't think MX will care since this route blew when they codeshared with UA, and it blows now that they are flying it alone

Anybody know the average load factor on this route? seems like a profitable route to me.


User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17367 posts, RR: 46
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2005 times:

Quoting Juventus (Reply 22):
Anybody know the average load factor on this route? seems like a profitable route to me.

Just under 50% full for the latest 12 months that are available.



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