Blsbls99 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 345 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2576 times:
Is there demand for a PHX to London route? I know BA flies it out of PHX right now, and their codeshare with HP will end (or has ended). But I think BA does well as there are many connecting opportunities for it in LHR. I'm not sure HP/US would have the same connecting opportunities out of PHX. I would assume they would have more connecting opportunities out of PHL. A better possibility would be a one stop flight to London from PHX via PHL.
I think the east coast hubs should be used for European flights and connections, while PHX and LAS would do better off with Asian/Hawaiian/Mexican flights and connections.
N77014 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2552 times:
For Phoenix to grow and prosper, viable nonstop service to major business centers need to be in place. My hometown of SAN loses millions of potential customers because the longhauls to Europe and Asia are concentrated ex LAX.
DesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7776 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2517 times:
Frankly in the short-term after the merger is complete I do not expect there to be much int'l growth (beyond Canada, Mexico, Central America) from PHX. Any transatlantic expansion would be from PHL first. Possibly from CLT after that.
Phoenix does have an advantage that many west coast cities are served from there, that may not see service to PHL or CLT. But I think any longhaul out of PHX will be quite a ways down the road.
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SirOmega From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2499 times:
Virgin Atlantic just announced a 6th weekly flight from LAS to LGW, up from 3 flights/wk a few years ago. I dont expect the same for PHX, simplly because I dont think its that high traffic of a route. (I say that, because when I'm out on The Strip in LAS, I frequently meet people from England, and Euorope in general).
Sort of , BA only flies Once a day 6 days a week (not on Wednesdays , not sure why) with a 744. Which could suggest that it isn't popular enough. However , the fact that the route was upgraded from a 772 to a 744 and moved from LGW to LHR could suggest that the market is getting stronger.
Quoting Blsbls99 (Reply 2): know BA flies it out of PHX right now, and their codeshare with HP will end (or has ended).
Perhaps they could start an extension on their LAX routes ( like they do to JFK). It would save them having to pay to park their 744's at LAX all day doing nothing and could show if the market is strong enough.
It could also open up a connections market in which BA or QF passengers can fly BA LHR-PHX and then carry on to SYD or MEL with QF via LAX.
Or QF could start a partner ship with an American airline so their passengers can connect to other American cities such as LAS , MIA ORD SFO , SEA etc.
Just a thought
Quoting SirOmega (Reply 5): (I say that, because when I'm out on The Strip in LAS, I frequently meet people from England, and Europe in general).
Hey, I was there only what , 4 Weeks ago! And I'm English. (although I flew BA LHR-LAX and then LAX-LAS return)
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Stirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1991 times:
Technically, not meaning to nitpick, but since it is an acronym, all letters are to be capitalized.
As in; QANTAS.
Like BOAC. Like UTA. Like TACA. Like BBC. Like TWA. Like RCA.
Now, back to the topic.....
For US to serve London from Phoenix, what does the route generate beyond O&D? Is Phoenix a primary destination of the British? It certainly doesn't have the bargain appeal of Mediterranean and some Caribbean resorts.
Currently, British Airways serves the route 5 times a week with a 744, but can rely on the whole network east of LHR to feed the flight.
But, a US flight would dead-end there, thusly requiring feed from the U.S. side of things. So. With logical connections in Phoenix existing of primarily SoCal destinations, (plus maybe ABQ, ELP, TUS) I am not so sure US could get passengers off existing nonstops out of LAX, for a connection in PHX.
SFO and Northern California? (Since I am there....) It would be a hard sell to get people off of VS, BA, and UA nonstops. The only way would be on price, which begs the question; does the route have that much importance for it to be filled with low-fares?
Las Vegas provides the only logical destination as it comes with built-in O&D.
Phoenix to London is a long-shot, a very long shot.