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British Airways' Most Profitable Overseas Routes?  
User currently offlineHkg82 From Hong Kong, joined Apr 2002, 1245 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10336 times:

Outside of Europe. Of course only the managers inside the company have the data but I would think the line-up of their top 5 biggest earners would look something like this:

1. New York - Seven 747s per day alone, 'nuff said I think.
2. Los Angeles.
3. Hong Kong - One of their two Asian hubs & very very strong cargo performer.
4. Singapore - The other being Changi for onward flights to Australia.
5. Sydney.

Anyone care to speculate on 6-10?

BA are really a fantastic airline. They are run by very right-minded people.

Probably the non-US major that attracts the most premium traffic thanks to their comfort, quality of products & fantastic connections to the world's key business centers.

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User currently offlineSoups From Ghana, joined Jun 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10331 times:

Lagos, Abuja And Accra are their most profitable routes in believe


Next destinations, Suarabaya, beirut, paris, Accra
User currently offlineBlrBird From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 578 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10245 times:

Quoting Hkg82 (Thread starter):
1. New York - Seven 747s per day alone

They have 5 747's and 2 777's to JFK and 3 777's to EWR daily.



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User currently offlineZSOFN From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1411 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10209 times:

LHR-JNB must be high up there. 2 full 744s daily. Competition is strong on the route but with slot restrictions at LHR keeping BA & SA happy their profits are likely to be maintained.

User currently offlineCoa747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10201 times:

You have forgotten about Houston. This route is among the top five as has been discussed in other topics. The premium traffic out of IAH is very high. With large energy companies buying blocks of seats for their use. That is why they added the IAH-ORD-LHR service because of all the people trying to go to Lagos and other destinations in Africa. Don't believe me query IAH or Houston and you will find the information I am talking about.

User currently offlineMainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2086 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10167 times:

Quoting BlrBird (Reply 2):
They have 5 747's and 2 777's to JFK and 3 777's to EWR daily.

.....and not forgetting a daily 763 from MAN to JFK, which is reputed to make a lot of money for them (how much, I don't know)


User currently offlineB777200 From Zambia, joined Aug 2005, 30 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10123 times:

I think the British Airways flights to African cities are very profitable. Their only competition is South African Airways, Ethiopian and Kenya Airways; yet they fly to many African cities not served directly from London by any of above mentioned airlines. Lagos, Nigeria must be one of their most profitable routes -- I know it is for Virgin Atlantic.

Of course, the frequency is not as high as across the Atlantic, but for the individual flights to African cities, I suspect the profit margins are quite high.


User currently offlineZSOFN From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1411 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10092 times:

Quoting B777200 (Reply 6):
I think the British Airways flights to African cities are very profitable

As I posted above, I would generally agree with you. However thinking about it further, in the case of southern Africa in particular, profit margins would decrease when taking into account the fact that a/c end up sitting in Africa all day - think of the cost for BA having 2 744s sitting idle for 10 hours or so a day. This wouldn't be the case on transatlantics.


User currently offlineB777200 From Zambia, joined Aug 2005, 30 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 10045 times:

Quoting ZSOFN (Reply 7):
However thinking about it further, in the case of southern Africa in particular, profit margins would decrease when taking into account the fact that a/c end up sitting in Africa all day - think of the cost for BA having 2 744s sitting idle for 10 hours or so a day. This wouldn't be the case on transatlantics.

Very true. I did not think about all the costs associated with keeping an aircraft on the ground. However, the turnaround time for British Airways flights to Lusaka, Zambia are only 2 and half hours, served with a Boeing 767. This is a minor case in point, and your argument remains valid for most other African cities serviced by British Airways.


User currently offlineConcorde001 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1230 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 9989 times:

Quoting MainMAN (Reply 5):
and not forgetting a daily 763 from MAN to JFK, which is reputed to make a lot of money for them (how much, I don't know)

Apparently it is in the region of £1 - 1.5 million a year, pure profit. This is according to White Hatter (a fellow a.netter). BA apparently told Manchester Evening News this a few years ago.
So it does pretty well!


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5900 posts, RR: 40
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 9919 times:

what about there last SouthAmerica route?

LHR-GRU-GIG(EZE)?

I think this flight very profitable...

regards
Avianca



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User currently offlineHAJFlyer From Switzerland, joined Sep 2005, 1472 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9869 times:

I would assume that yields on the LHR-LAD flights must be quite impressive thanks to very limited supply and steadily growing demand by the oil industry.

User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5080 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9823 times:

Is Sydney really #5

I think I read in their 2004 Annual report they actually loose about £18m a year on the Austrakia services


User currently offlineConcorde001 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1230 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9791 times:

Quoting ANstar (Reply 12):
Is Sydney really #5

I think I read in their 2004 Annual report they actually loose about £18m a year on the Austrakia services

I know the costs for running LON-Oz are high, but I doubt they loose money on the route. With the JSA with QF, they share the costs and proft 50-50, so I would think they make money on the route.


User currently offlineFbgdavidson From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 3697 posts, RR: 28
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9688 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 10):
what about there last SouthAmerica route?

LHR-GRU-GIG(EZE)?

I think this flight very profitable...

Indeed, very high F and J loads year round.
JNB is also very profitable.

While I am no expert I am aware that JNB and GRU are very ££££. I'd be surprised if LAX isn't one of the top ones since I've seen tickets in First for LHR-LAX-LHR for more than £10,000 and this way a few years ago!



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User currently offlineZSOFN From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1411 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9662 times:

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 14):
While I am no expert I am aware that JNB and GRU are very ££££

They have been for a long time. I don't know much about GRU but with JNB competition is increasing with more carriers getting involved, albeit not non-stop. I've started to see returns from as little as about £310 lately - great news.


User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9653 times:

Quoting HAJFlyer (Reply 11):
I would assume that yields on the LHR-LAD flights must be quite impressive thanks to very limited supply and steadily growing demand by the oil industry.

Indeed.LAD is AF's highest yielding route(recently upgraded to 773 from 772).The cargo hold also does very well for BA apparently.


User currently offlineTAP340 From Portugal, joined Oct 2004, 102 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9622 times:

How about the routes to India? Do they belong in such list?

User currently offlineVS747SPUR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9603 times:

Does anyone know how the LGW-MCO route performs for BA ?

VS747SPUR



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User currently offlineConcorde001 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1230 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9557 times:

Quoting TAP340 (Reply 17):
How about the routes to India? Do they belong in such list?

I would think so. However, by next year, I doubt that they will be the $$$ they used to be. Pre 2000, when only BA and AI served India from LON, BA would sell it cheapest fares from £600! Now, with all the competition, fares start from £380!
But even so, BA flights to BOM/DEL regularly go full in F anc C, not to mention Y! Apparently they have a very loyal customer base in India! Also, compared to AF/KL/LH, BA doesn't rely that much on connecting traffic!


User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2453 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 9442 times:

Quoting Hkg82 (Thread starter):
1. New York - Seven 747s per day alone, 'nuff said I think.
2. Los Angeles.
3. Hong Kong - One of their two Asian hubs & very very strong cargo performer.
4. Singapore - The other being Changi for onward flights to Australia.
5. Sydney.

Hong Kong is a far stronger destination than Singapore. Hong Kong is served 7x daily from heathrow (3xBAW 1xVIR 3xCPA) soon to be 8x while singapore is 8x (4xBAW/QFA 4xSIA). But there is A LOT of O&D traffic to hong kong while most singapore pax are onwards to oz. If they can fly direct to oz, singapore will probably go down to 1 a day.

Edit: 7.5 daily to Hong Kong - Forgot 3xQFA/wk so it's 9x soon when CPA go 4x daily and QFA go daily.

[Edited 2005-09-17 00:54:32]


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User currently offlineMarshalN From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2005, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 9284 times:

HK traffic does include a lot of hub action serving greater China as well -- although you're probably right that those flights are not likely to be exclusively onward passengers, while the Singapore ones are more likely to be going somewhere else.

User currently onlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 9252 times:

Anyone know regarding profitability of LHR-ORD or LHR-SFO?

SFO gets yearly 2 747's and ORD gets a 744 and 2 777's..which is quite a bit considering AA, UA and AI have flights too!



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineMarshalN From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2005, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 9203 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 22):
SFO gets yearly 2 747's

Wow, they must be shipping 2 plane loads of gold from SFO for the flights to be so infrequent! Big grin


User currently onlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 9194 times:

Quoting MarshalN (Reply 23):
Wow, they must be shipping 2 plane loads of gold from SFO for the flights to be so infrequent!  biggrin 

you know what I mean.....2 DAILY flights all year... Wink



"Up the Irons!"
25 LH423 : In North America the top 5 would look like this: 1. JFK 2. BOS 3. MIA 4. IAD 5. LAX LAX is a strong performer with a lot of premium traffic however th
26 Post contains images USADreamliner : Speculation, speculation... OK here is my list for the 5 most profitable destinations: 1-London!! 2-JNB 3-NewYork 4-Hong Kong 5-Sydney British Airways
27 Post contains links ANstar : Here is a link to BA's annual report http://media.corporate-ir.net/media_...nualReportandAccounts2004-2005.pdf On page 38 It gives the rbeakdown of pr
28 Wrighbrothers : Well , SFO is reasonably high on premium traffic. That is the reason there are 2X daily 744 flights. LAX ( to my knowledge) is not as big a premium t
29 ANstar : The J cabons on these routes are also sold at heavily discounted prices. IE a J return to MRU is about £1300 wheras a J return to CPT is about £280
30 WhiteHatter : It's been mentioned in several places, BA have occasionally stated that without their QF linkup then that route would struggle. BA execs have even be
31 Bacxboys : Hi there!! To all of you who think Sydney makes money for BA then think again.!! Its purely Leisure traffic on that route and makes a Loss! Lagos is t
32 Idlewild : Is IAD really in 4th place? I would have thought 2nd next to JFK. How about LAS? Does BA make a good profit on that route?
33 BCA2005 : BA don't fly to LAS. VS serve LAS from LGW and BD from MAN
34 BCA2005 : Many of the most profitable BA routes mentioned above, such as HKG, JFK, SYD, JNB, LOS, BOS, IAD, MIA, DEL, BOM and soon DXB, are all operated by VS.
35 LACA773 : Where can you find the average load factors for each cabin on flights to/from North America? The times I've taken BA in Club World and First it has al
36 Ibhayi : Johannesburg has to be up there, maybe they dont earn the most but in terms of the return on the money put in it wouldnt surprise me if it is tops. De
37 Airevents : From what I read here, almost all destinations in BA's network seem to be performing super-well. Now which ones do not?
38 Jacobin777 : thanks for the info..but if you go to the international terminal @ SFO, you will see many pakistani/indians/arabs on those flights because there aren
39 BCA2005 : Seems like BA axe any of their poor performing routes. However, not too sure about DFW? Correct me if im wrong
40 Bacxboys : Its Fab for a F or J cabin to be full!! But remember not all those seats are filled with Full Fare paying pax!! SYD is a classic example, many seats a
41 STT757 : Houston is definetly one of BA's most profitable routes to North America, it's the only route that has flights from both Gatwick and Heathrow (via a s
42 B777200 : I also heard that Lagos, Nigeria is one of the most profitable routes for Virgin Atlantic. Considering Bacxboys' position (British Airways employee)
43 LH423 : BA have a strict 32 kg limit for all bags and no overweight baggage is accepted. The money comes from excess baggage charges though there isn't that
44 Mytravel330 : If BA was run by right minded people the staff wouldn't be going on strike and bringing chaos to 10, s of 1000,s annually over trivial things as time
45 ManchesterMAN : I always thought the Seattle flight was a nice little gold mine for them as well with pretty much zero competition I heard both loads and yields were
46 LipeGIG : Guys, i bring some news on that (only GRU-GIG route, i don't know too much about EZE). Varig is the sole competitor and during the last five days it
47 Avianca : would be great if BA would split the flights. just a question is it possible or is BA restricted to only 1 daily flight? how many passengers of the f
48 LH423 : Yes, the strike will take some of the shine off quarterly profits but I think BA will still post some impressive numbers when the time comes. But the
49 LipeGIG : About 30 to 50. I don't have numbers of pax from LHR to CPH, but as per some trip reports comments, less than 60. I think BA could run the second fli
50 Post contains images Avianca : I do not understand why the still have the leg to CPH, in a situation that Varig is nearly bankrupt... the passengers to CPH could without conect on
51 Kevin : I am very surprised that noone mentioned Canada. YYZ and YVR are very big for BA. YVR used to get a daily 744, but as of not so long ago they are gett
52 Klyk1980 : Oh yes...Toronto!!! We have two flights daily to LHR, 1 744 and 1 777...occasionally in summer add up to three flights daily, am I right? The airfraft
53 ANstar : Um... take a read of the facts SYD isnt a profit maker!
54 Wrighbrothers : I don't think it's a case of the airline management not being right minded , it's more a case of the staff ( in this case cargo and bus drivers) not
55 BCA2005 : My mistake, you could just ignore that and try answering the question. That would help!
56 Mytravel330 : YYZ is served well by BA and other carriers there is at least 5 charter airlines alone during the summer, MyTravel,Thomas Cook,Skyservice and Air Tran
57 ANstar : That would help wouldn't it. So, have you answered the original question oh holy one?
58 Vega : Last time I flew IAH-London in early-August, there were only 2 non-stop BA flights and they were both Gatwicks.
59 2travel2know : LOS, LAD, JNB, IAH, DFW, KIN ??
60 Avianca : LH423 was talking about IAD not IAH....but anyway I hope you had a good flight on BA from IAH to LGW.... regards Avianca
61 LipeGIG : Neither I. This flight keeps a SAS code-share. Virgin has slots available at LHR ? We can see a new BA flight to Brazil just to avoid Virgin to start
62 Egmcman : Cargo perhaps. cheers egmcman
63 Avianca : this is what I do not understand with Varig (same on the CDG-AMS leg)... CPH could coload without any problem on the Sunday Varig freighter from FRA.
64 Vega : Thanks (sorry LH423), I read it wrong. Hard to say anything but good about BA's Club service.
65 RwSEA : I've thought the same - this route is completely packed in the summer with a good mix of leisure/business pax. However, in the slow season one can us
66 Speedbird2155 : Not sure where you get your info from,but this is rarely the case. BGI is very good for premium pax and the few staff that do get on are considered l
67 ARGinLON : LAD has to be very high in the list (I know it was a top 5 for AF until a few years ago)
68 LipeGIG : Avianca, you`re right and at this time RG is trying to drop some non-profitable routes (so, CPH and AMS probably could be run with code share partner
69 BHXFAOTIPYYC : Totally correct. LAD is very profitable for them. BA ex Portugal, top 2 are LAD and HKG.
70 YULMRS : I'am also surprised that no one mentionned YUL ... Really less competitive than YYZ and a daily 777.
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