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DAB Wooing UA ...  
User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7522 posts, RR: 7
Posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2247 times:

Looks like Daytona wants UA service from IAD. I'm assuming Ted service ?
http://www.news-journalonline.com/Ne...eadlines/03BusinessBIZ01090805.htm

DAB only has 2 carriers , DL and CO .


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User currently offlineTinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 982 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2202 times:

I wish DAB luck with that one. UA makes no bones about the fact that they are primarily interested in business pax, not leisure destinations like DAB. However, I think they could fill a CRJ back and forth to IAD.


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User currently offlineHAJFlyer From Switzerland, joined Sep 2005, 1473 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2162 times:

Why is it that on the Atlantic cost of Florida MIA, FLL, PBI and JAX are served by a large number of legacy carriers (and LCCs) while the two commercial airports served by network carriers on the long stretch between Palm Beach and Jacksonville (MLB, DAB) have only one legacy carrier (DL in MLB, CO in DAB) operating from there once the DL cuts are implemented ?

Considering the saturation and competitiveness of the FL market this seems rather surprising at first sight.  Confused


User currently offlineCorey07850 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2528 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2142 times:

Quoting HAJFlyer (Reply 2):
Why is it that on the Atlantic cost of Florida MIA, FLL, PBI and JAX are served by a large number of legacy carriers (and LCCs) while the two commercial airports served by network carriers on the long stretch between Palm Beach and Jacksonville (MLB, DAB) have only one legacy carrier

Three letters.....

M
C
O


User currently offlineCVG777 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1251 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2094 times:

Quoting HAJFlyer (Reply 2):
one legacy carrier (DL in MLB, CO in DAB)

Delta also serves DAB, and is has the most flights out of here. Continental currently only has one daily flight on an ERJ to Newark. Delta has at least 6 daily flights to Atlanta, and CVG gets one daily CR7 (which will end on Dec. 1).


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4707 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2090 times:

Back when i worked for DAB the airport was close with US-CLT and NW-DTW while I was here. US was really interested, but this was about 18 mos ago when things werent looking good for them. US-CLT would be a hit from day one in my oppinion.

For some airlines DAB is looking better and better as days go on, esp if they can fill a plane with the people paying thr slight premium (not that much anymore) rather than flying to MCO.

Both US and NW i think would do better than UA-IAD, but any of them would work. the DAB market has over 75% leakage to MCO and JAX. Meaning that DAB with 750,000 annual pax could theoretically be the size of 2.5-3 million pax, now thats pushing it, but there is definately room for 3x US-CLT 2x NW DTW and 2x UA-IAD all on some form of 50-70 seat RJs.



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User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7522 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1965 times:

I remember reading in here a few months ago that DL makes a nice buck flying the deceased out of there .


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User currently offlineToxtethogrady From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1422 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1874 times:

"Looks like Daytona wants UA service from IAD. I'm assuming Ted service ?"

I would assume Express.

As long as CO has service, they should be encouraged to add flights to IAH and provide more service westward.


User currently online727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6564 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1791 times:

Quoting TinPusher007 (Reply 1):
UA makes no bones about the fact that they are primarily interested in business pax, not leisure destinations like DAB.

Yes, RSW bustles with business pax.



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User currently offlineDeltaGuy767 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 665 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1766 times:

DAB only has a fair ammount of traffic due to:
1) The NASCAR Track
2) Embry-Riddle

I would doubt any more expansions at DAB than waht CO and DL already have.

Just my twocents  from BDL,
DeltaGuy767



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User currently offlineUadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1757 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 5):
Both US and NW i think would do better than UA-IAD

RL757PVD,
what basis makes your assumption that US or NWA would do better than UA????just curious.....



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User currently offlineDouglasDC8 From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1759 times:

Actually, UA is closing RSW...

User currently offlineDeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1756 times:

Quoting United_Fan (Reply 6):
I remember reading in here a few months ago that DL makes a nice buck flying the deceased out of there .

That's the case with any Florida airport that has mainline service. DL is the primary carrier of human remains in the region because it is a flat rate.
A funeral home in Volusia County isn't going to send the body to MCO when the rate is the same at DAB. Same can be said for MLB, PBI, PNS, VPS, TLH, SRQ, RSW, etc.



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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4707 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1772 times:

Quoting Uadc8contrail (Reply 10):
what basis makes your assumption that US or NWA would do better than UA????just curious.....

DAB's top markets are primarily all the mid to large sized cities in the northeast (BOS, PVD, BDL, ALB, BUF, NYC, PHL, PIT, WAS, BWI) etc..

Based on that knowledge..look at the service differences to all of these cities from CLT IAD and DTW......IAD typically has the lowest amount of seats with typically RJs to these markets except for the large ones, whereas these destinations typically have mainline form US-CLT and NW-DTW, even down to the ALB/SYR/MHT levels.

DAB is reliant on the connecting hub model, therfore the more connecting seats the better the chance of success.



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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5948 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1719 times:
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UA used to have service between IAD and DAB through Presidential with BAe-146's three or four times per day during late 1980's and early 1990's.

Don't forget that FCA flies to MLB and FLL.


User currently offlineUadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1709 times:

douglasdc8,
RSW,,,, only part closing is air freight.....still will have ual employees there...



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User currently offlineDeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 17
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1647 times:

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 14):
Don't forget that FCA flies to MLB and FLL.

As their traffic accounts for less than a hundreth of a percent it is easy to forget them. So much that they have a 0.0 market share.



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User currently offlineUadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1640 times:

RL757PVD,
its your opinion and i will accept that but ual would be a better fit for anyone going to the northeast from as far west as cle east....if the you had nwa,us and ua offering the same price from dab to lets say bos and the they left about the same time chances are the nwa flight would arrive later..via dtw...i would rather fly thru clt or iad or even atl for that matter if the price was the same and the arrival time was sooner..or if allegiant flew non stop to my city from sfb they would be my airline of choice...............my opinion



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User currently offlineJamake1 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1017 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1604 times:

This is great news! I hope this will come to pass. I will be going to Riddle in Fall 2006 and an ID 90 on DL is about $330 from SFO-DAB. For about $70.00 more, I can get a ticket on the net, confirmed, no stand-by and collect the miles. I have long thought that IAD via UA Express would be a great connection for DAB travelers going northward (or westward). ExpressJet to EWR is quite limited with just one daily flight (and tickets from the westcoast are often in the $600 range on CO to DAB). United's entry into the market would save me considerable expense provided I could get there using a pass.


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User currently offlineASFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1191 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 1573 times:

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 14):
UA used to have service between IAD and DAB through Presidential with BAe-146's three or four times per day during late 1980's and early 1990's

Presidential actually flew 737-200's into both DAB and MLB and flights went pretty full for the most part. They became UA Express towards the end and operated the 146 from IAD to DAB.

I think there is a big market for DAB service to the northeast, at least in the winter time, as long as the prices are similar to those at MCO or SFB.


User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5948 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1412 times:
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It's amazing when you think about the evolution of DAB since the late 1980's/early 1990's. When DAB was running their old terminal, there were many airlines and departures out of DAB: Piedmont/USAir, Delta, Eastern, Continental, Pan Am Express, American, Presidential...and probably some others that I had forgotten. Even LTU served DAB for a little while with 767-300's and L15's. Now, with the new terminal, there's hardly any air service in comparison.

User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1362 times:

As service into JAX and especially MCO expanded, Daytona Beach and Melbourne got left behind......the problem is that these airports are sandwiched inbetween two major airports that offer service to many destinations - also there are many low fare options at MCO that many pax find too good to pass up.

That being said, there is a building boom in Florida and both the Daytona and Melbourne areas are seeing increased population and an influx of Snowbirds with second homes in Florida. More service to both airports could be supported, but at reasonable fares competitive to those offered at nearby MCO. If an airline would offer flights to DAB or MEL with a fare structure similiar to that offered in the MCO or FLL markets, I dont think it would be a problem filling several 737/A32X flights per day into DAB or MEL from NYC, PHL, BOS, WAS or eastern hubs. Most leisure pax will not pay a large premium to fly into DAB when cheap fares are available to MCO and they plan on renting a car anyway.


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