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Official: Airlines To Move Terminals At DFW!  
User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11530 posts, RR: 61
Posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7378 times:

Well, it's official: DFW is going to be moving airlines around in 2006!

As has long been rumored, American Eagle will be taking over all of Terminal B. All of the airlines currently in Terminal B, plus Spirit -- which begins service in January -- will all be moving over to a refurbished Terminal E. That means that America West-USAirways, ATA, Frontier, Mesa and United will all be moving to Terminal E. E's satellite will remain empty for the time being.

Terminal B's current 32 gates will probably be reworked into 35-40 gates for exclusive use by Eagle's RJs. In addition, Eagle will continue to use D38-D40 for international flights, and Eagle will vacate the Terminal A satellite.

DFW's Airport Board has earmarked $15M for refurbishments to Terminal E to make way for the new airlines, although I suspect it will cost many, many millions more to not only "un-Deltafy" Terminal D, but also many, many millions more to reconfigure all of the gates in Terminal B to realign them for handling tiny RJs instead of 737s, A320s and 747s.

http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/business/12672031.htm

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User currently offlineKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7331 times:

Meetings are already well under way. Frontier, Midwest and ATA will be the next to move from B to E (gates E32-35). The timeline called for November 01, but that has been pushed back to November 15.

Plan on Untied putting up a fight.


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11530 posts, RR: 61
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7266 times:

Quoting King (Reply 1):
Meetings are already well under way. Frontier, Midwest and ATA will be the next to move from B to E (gates E32-35).

Why, in particular, are F9, YX and TZ moving to E32-E35? Why those gates?

Quoting King (Reply 1):
Plan on Untied putting up a fight.

Why? Is it the cost of moving, or something else?

And -- what is the HP/US position on the move?


User currently offlineKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7232 times:

I am not sure why F9, YX and TZ have been assigned to gates E32-35. I have seen the airport's map of E, and it does have F9 at E32. Those gates are adjacent to the last open ticket counter and are primo spots. F9 is anxious to move to get it over with and to not get stuck down at E37-39.
Gates E32-35 are near the one the new Skylink train stations so there is lots of open space in the gate area.

United has a nice spot in B (big bag room, nice office space and club lounge). They have already moved once in terminal B to accommodate AA's first expansion into B. Now, I forget which airport it is but they want AA to give up some gates to them before they give AA what they want in B. I believe UA has a lease until 2008 in terminal B. If they wait till then, I fear they will get stuck out on the satellite terminal on E. They should move while they have some options at E.


User currently offlineAirplaneBoy From United States of America, joined May 2004, 560 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7179 times:

Hi King!

How's DFW? I asked about you when I last stopped by.

It's great to hear that we'll have a gate near our own ticket counter space. Can the same be said about our baggage claim location as well? It'd be nice if it is located near the gate.

I hope all is well at the zoo!  Smile

Cheers!

AirplaneBoy


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7555 posts, RR: 28
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7139 times:

Where are the Eagle Saab's going to be? Are they going to using B for them too?

User currently offlineKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7099 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 5):
Where are the Eagle Saab's going to be? Are they going to using B for them too?

If they still have the SF3's they will be at B as well. All of the Eagle aircraft will be at B except for the 2 international gates in D (which is adjacent to B).

They will have to use a commute-a-walk for the SF3's. They are currently using them at the satellite building at terminal A.


User currently offlineAirStatDFW From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 374 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 6978 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 2):
Quoting King (Reply 1):
Meetings are already well under way. Frontier, Midwest and ATA will be the next to move from B to E (gates E32-35).

Why, in particular, are F9, YX and TZ moving to E32-E35? Why those gates?

If I remember correctly this will be which airline has which gate (subject to change). Spirit E2, NW E4-E6, CO E7-E9, TZ E10, AS E11, DL E12-E15, FL E16-E18, UA E20-E21, E31, US / HP E32-E36, F9 E37, YX E38

Spirit, TZ, YX, F9 are still up in the air in which gates they are going to get. I do know that E2 and E10 are open. All of those carriers including AS are one gate operations. There has been talk of moving CO and NW down were NW would have gates E2-E5 and CO having E6-E8. Who knows we will have to wait and see.

Quoting King (Reply 1):
Plan on Untied putting up a fight.

United does not want to move and I don't blame them. They just remodeled their Red Carpet room in the New Skylink station in Term B. I do know that UA wants a Red carpet room in Term E and that is one of reasons of not wanting to go over to Term E. There is a old DL club room in the Sat term which will remain closed. The other old DL club room the Airport wants to do something with it so its not available either. The Airport would have to build UA a new club.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 5):
Where are the Eagle Saab's going to be? Are they going to using B for them too?

Off of gate B34-B36 they are supposed to build a finger that extends off to the North West for the Saab's to park

AirStatDFW


User currently offlineToxtethogrady From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6906 times:

I guess this is how DFW will make lemonade out of lemons.

User currently offlineJsnww81 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2026 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6790 times:

This really does make the most sense - I think most DFW fans saw this coming as soon as the Delta hub was dismantled.

This move, coupled with the shift of international flights to Terminal D, should give American LOTS of breathing room to add new flights, both mainline and Eagle. With the international birds now at D, AA has the equivalent of about 20 "new" domestic gates at Terminal A. These gates handle domestic flights in between international services, but now they can be shifted to domestic flying full-time.

Slightly off-topic... anyone know if American will renovate Terminal A to remove the sterile corridors, glassed-in waiting rooms and escalators at all of the current international gates?

As for Terminal E needing renovation, I've always thought it was one of the nicer terminals at DFW. Delta redid its gate areas in the late 1990s, adding new signage and carpeting. Much of it is Delta-specific (the "Deltaflot" logos will need to come off the walls) but the terminal should still be in reasonably good shape.


User currently offlineSkedguy From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 135 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6740 times:
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Quoting Jsnww81 (Reply 9):
This really does make the most sense - I think most DFW fans saw this coming as soon as the Delta hub was dismantled.

This move, coupled with the shift of international flights to Terminal D, should give American LOTS of breathing room to add new flights, both mainline and Eagle. With the international birds now at D, AA has the equivalent of about 20 "new" domestic gates at Terminal A. These gates handle domestic flights in between international services, but now they can be shifted to domestic flying full-time.

If Eagle will get the B-gates, and AA already has A, C, and D, what would be left for a potential newcomer such as WN? DFW costs are already high enough, so adding Terminal F would intuitively drive costs even higher, right?


User currently offlineNikonDFW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6722 times:

Quoting Commavia (Thread starter):
Terminal B's current 32 gates will probably be reworked into 35-40 gates for exclusive use by Eagle's RJs. In addition, Eagle will continue to use D38-D40 for international flights, and Eagle will vacate the Terminal A satellite

Some of AE's gates will have double jetbridges,B19A & B19B,etc...I've heard AE will have the terminal capacity to run close to 500 flights a day or more out of "B"when it's all finished.


User currently offlineNikonDFW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6708 times:

Quoting Jsnww81 (Reply 9):
With the international birds now at D, AA has the equivalent of about 20 "new" domestic gates at Terminal A. These gates handle domestic flights in between international services, but now they can be shifted to domestic flying full-time.

AA is closing down quite a few gates in A and C when the international flights due move over to D.


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11530 posts, RR: 61
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6646 times:

Quoting Jsnww81 (Reply 9):
With the international birds now at D, AA has the equivalent of about 20 "new" domestic gates at Terminal A.

It's not nearly that many. The international flights will probaby clear up the equivelant of 5-10 gates all told, not 20.

Quoting Jsnww81 (Reply 9):
Slightly off-topic... anyone know if American will renovate Terminal A to remove the sterile corridors, glassed-in waiting rooms and escalators at all of the current international gates?

A is slowly being renovated and having new terazzo marble and carpets, and AA's new gate counter backsplashes installed.

Quoting NikonDFW (Reply 12):
AA is closing down quite a few gates in A and C when the international flights due move over to D.

What? Details please. Thanks.


User currently offlineNikonDFW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6514 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 13):
What? Details please. Thanks.

A9 thru A16 and C30 thru C39 are closing, plus multiple single gates in both A and C are closing as well. AA will not gain extra gates when D opens, it will pretty much be a even trade.


User currently offlineAa777flyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6469 times:

As far as United not wanting to move from "B" is the fact that United has its Magic Carpet Club in B and does not want to have to move it or renovate a former "Crown Room".

User currently offlineUtapao From Thailand, joined Jul 2005, 645 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5873 times:

Any update on AA's move of international flights into Terminal D?


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User currently offlineBN747DFWHNL From United States of America, joined May 2005, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5760 times:

The move will add color to the east side of the airport and interest for spotters at the Plaza (something more than gleaming silver to look at). Too bad DFW doesn't have an adjacent spotting area on the west side now that the International Terminal is operational.

Amazing how things change; in the '80s, who would have believed that DL, NW, US, and UA would all file for bankruptcy protection and that Delta would one day only have three gates at its former second hub, Terminal "4E?"


User currently offlineAAtakeMeAway From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5582 times:

Quoting NikonDFW (Reply 14):
A9 thru A16 and C30 thru C39 are closing, plus multiple single gates in both A and C are closing as well. AA will not gain extra gates when D opens, it will pretty much be a even trade.

What are they planning on doing with those gates in A and C?

Quoting Commavia (Thread starter):
Eagle will vacate the Terminal A satellite.

 bigthumbsup 


User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3527 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5522 times:

I liked United's spot in Terminal B. The gates were right next to the McDonalds and it was just a short walk to the international gates.


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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12134 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5503 times:

Quoting Skedguy (Reply 10):
If Eagle will get the B-gates, and AA already has A, C, and D, what would be left for a potential newcomer such as WN? DFW costs are already high enough, so adding Terminal F would intuitively drive costs even higher, right?

WN is not moving to DFW, unless DAL closes (not likly to happen). Yes, building Terminal F will drive up operating costs of DFW. The last I heard on Terminal F is construction start is planned for 2015, and 42 months to build it. Of course, a lot can, and most likely will, change by then.

Quoting Utapao (Reply 16):
Any update on AA's move of international flights into Terminal D?

AA will not move until the baggage handling system problems are worked out. That will probibly be between the middle and end of October now.

Quoting BN747DFWHNL (Reply 17):
Delta would one day only have three gates at its former second hub

DL still has 4 gates in Terminal E, gates E12-E15.

DFW does have a few things going for them that will actually reduce airline operating costs at DFW. There is a plan for DFW to build their own electric generation plant. Estimated costs to build this plant is about $450M. But DFW currently pays around $100M per year for electricity, so an electrical generating plant will pay for itself in under 5 years. The other thing going for DFW is the airport, and most of Tarrant County sits on top of the Barnett Shale natueral gas field. They have been developing this field all over the county. The airport is in talks the drilling company that is developing the field to allow drilling on airport property. Part of this deal may include supplying natueral gas to run the planned electric gereration station, plus royalities.


User currently offlineBHMNONREV From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1368 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5285 times:

Quoting NikonDFW (Reply 14):
A9 thru A16 and C30 thru C39 are closing, plus multiple single gates in both A and C are closing as well. AA will not gain extra gates when D opens, it will pretty much be a even trade.

This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, the last three times I have flown into DFW from BHM I have had to wait on the tarmac anywhere from 30-60 minutes for an available gate. With gate space at such a premium, why would they be closing gates? Are they being renovated to be reopened at a later date?

Gaining gates for Eagle, but losing gates for mainline? Not a good sign, IMHO...


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12134 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5108 times:

Quoting BHMNONREV (Reply 21):
This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, the last three times I have flown into DFW from BHM I have had to wait on the tarmac anywhere from 30-60 minutes for an available gate.

It is not uncommon for AA jets to be on a gate hold. Upon approaching DFW, the flight gets assigned a gate by the AA tower here. If that gate remains occupied, your jet will ahve to wait until it is vacant.

The problem with this system is if AA has delays, almost anywhere within their system, there is a ripple effect throughout the entire AA system. It is near impossible for AA to catch up. So, just about every delay (weather, machanical, etc.) will always effect the AA DFW hub.


User currently offlineBHMNONREV From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1368 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5052 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 22):
It is not uncommon for AA jets to be on a gate hold. Upon approaching DFW, the flight gets assigned a gate by the AA tower here. If that gate remains occupied, your jet will ahve to wait until it is vacant.

I understand Boomer, all three times I arrived it was in the early evening bank and things were very hectic. But instead of taking the opportunity to alleviate some of these gate holds by increasing the number of domestic narrowbody gates available, they are reducing them (per NikonDFW).

Certainly leaves one scratching their head....


User currently offlineCOERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4897 times:

How is the AA Eagle sattilite DFW terminal, and the E sattilite terminal, i'm flying AA(again) to PSP from BOS, and back in dec., and have about 2 hrs of layover on my return sector. Is visiting those 2 terminals worth it?


-Jeff M


25 Commavia : I, personally, don't mind the Eagle A satellite at all. The shuttle bus service running from underground around A6 in the main terminal is very conve
26 AirStatDFW : You can see the Term E Sat from skylink but it is closed since no one is operating out of it. You can walk by the entrance in Term E and see the gate
27 King : Just to add to Commavia, the terminal E satellite is currently closed off. You cannot gain access to the underground walkway.
28 Cgnnrw : Just a question from a person who has little clue on airport operations....do these airlines HAVE to relocate? What if they simply "no" and stay wher
29 COERJ145 : Thanks for the info guys, i'll have to check out the A sattilite, and the new D terminal while i'm there.
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