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User currently offline797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1895 posts, RR: 27
Posted (9 years 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2200 times:

Hello guys,

Well, today I bought Airliners magazine, and one of their articles is about Frontier. I've seen those tail pictures several times, and I think they look gorgeous, but I asked myself how do they paint them and how much would it cost them...

I bought a magazine a while ago talking about painting a jetliner, and many factors apply here. In Frontier's case, it's pretty simple (all white paint) until you get to the tail. For what I've seen, they use spray painting to paint the fuselage, but when they get to the highly-detailed tail, how do they do?. Is it a huge sticker or they get painters to do that?


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This doesn't only apply in Frontier's jets, but also many airlines that use promotions showing pictures on their fuselages.


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Well, thanks guys!

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Enrique.


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User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2156 times:

On F9's tails, they use decals. The rest of the aircraft is painted. I know, because I was trained to de-iced Frontier's 737s at LAX, in case it ever snowed there. All the manuals refered to the animals on the tails as decals, or huge sectional stickers if you wish. I was trained not to aim the de-icing nozzle directly at the seams on the decal. In the year I was with F9 at LAX, it did not snow once. Lucky me. Regards.


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User currently offline797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1895 posts, RR: 27
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2138 times:

Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 1):
or huge sectional stickers if you wish

Geez! Imagine those printers! haha.

Well, but this means that it would be more expensive than using common paint, right?



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User currently offlineAR1300 From Argentina, joined Feb 2005, 1740 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2128 times:

no.Stickers are very cheap.They are used to promote things.They are cheap, reliable and replaceable.

Mike

[Edited 2005-09-18 08:24:17]


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User currently offlineGARUDAROD From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1517 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1938 times:

FlagshipAZ,

I think you can safely say it hasnt snowed at LAX for at least the last
50years or so if not longer.



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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3157 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1755 times:

Here' a blurb from the F9 website about the decals

"How are the wildlife decals on your tails applied?

Images are printed on adhesive-backed vinyl that is similar to contact paper. The image is tiled in 18 to 20 34-inch-by-96-inch panels with 2 inches of overlap. They are applied starting at the rear base of the tail, moving toward the leading edge of the tail. After all the tiles have been applied, the tail is covered with two coats of clear coat to seal the image and prevent corrosion. Any panel that gets damaged may be replaced individually. The panels are printed in Denver and applied in Hamburg, Germany.



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User currently offlineSkyexramper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1689 times:

Actually the stickers hold up well and are fairly cheap for end result, a photo on the tail. Plus these stickers last 5 years.

User currently offlineJetmek319 From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 199 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1668 times:

Mostly correct... The decals are lasting 3-4 years with some maintenance. And they're not exactly cheap. They run upwards of $15-20,000 for the set. The edge sealing is done to prevent peeling and wind erosion. Because the tails are completely composite material, we don't have too many problems with corrosion.


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User currently offlineBandA From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 341 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1662 times:

it looks like they use the same stuff used on wrapping vehicles with advertisments, like vinyl.

We recently had a whole Ford Navigator wrapped for under $3000 full (4color) and the vinyl is probably not as good as the stuff they use on aircraft.

The way we did it we sent Photoshop/Illustrator art in CMYK format to the printers who print this stuff using wide-format printers on vinyl. The Vinyl then comes either pre-cut to meet vehicle dimensions or uncut for installer to cut later. Then is applied using adhesives and lasts decent amount of time.

[Edited 2005-09-19 05:56:46]

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User currently offlineJetmek319 From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 199 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1630 times:

Exactly how it is done. We tried a polyester film that didn't work so well (the parrot), so we went back to the vinyl material.


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User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1607 times:

In the emergency and commerical vehicle business, vinyl and Scotchlite can be much less expensive than paint.



Mark


User currently offlineFlyabunch From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 517 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1560 times:

The process is done using digital printers directly to pressure sensitive vinyl. Most of the newer machines are large format inkjet but 3M also makes an electrostatic system that has very high durablility. My guess is that they are using large format inkjet. The prices quoted by JETMEK319 are in line with high quality inkjet with an protective overlay.

Mike


User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1551 times:

Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 1):
I know, because I was trained to de-iced Frontier's 737s at LAX, in case it ever snowed there.

LMAO!


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26536 posts, RR: 75
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1545 times:

Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 1):
because I was trained to de-iced Frontier's 737s at LAX, in case it ever snowed there.



Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 1):
In the year I was with F9 at LAX, it did not snow once.

 rotfl  rotfl  rotfl  rotfl 

As a native Angeleno, that is so funny, it brings a tear to my eye

Quoting BandA (Reply 8):
We recently had a whole Ford Navigator

Lincoln, lest Superfly come and get you



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User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1536 times:

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 5):
The panels are printed in Denver and applied in Hamburg, Germany.

I don't know how F9 Runs MX, but it would seem more logical to me that the panels were printed in Hamburg, Germany and applied in Denver rather than the other way around... Does Frontier really shuttle their aircraft across the atlantic for repainting/redecaling?



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26536 posts, RR: 75
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1513 times:

Quoting Lincoln (Reply 14):
but it would seem more logical to me that the panels were printed in Hamburg, Germany and applied in Denver rather than the other way around...

They want to do the decals locally. Beyond that, they need access to them if they need to make an emergency fix

Quoting Lincoln (Reply 14):
Does Frontier really shuttle their aircraft across the atlantic for repainting/redecaling?

No, I do believe that is just for the original application, then F9 has the ability to do it in their hangars at DEN



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