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Alitalia MD-11s Back To Storage?  
User currently offlineAmy From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 1150 posts, RR: 8
Posted (9 years 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3567 times:

The SkyTeam timetable reports that Alitalia stops flying IAD-MXP with MD-11s any day now, replacing it with a 763ER.

Is it going back to storage? Being converted back to full freight? Any info would be great.

Thanks

[Edited 2005-09-19 23:12:00]


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User currently offlineB744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3506 times:

Aren't they all going to be freighters?

User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3455 times:

I know that the MD-11s are also serving India and Dubai, IAD is not the sole destination.


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User currently offline797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1894 posts, RR: 27
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3396 times:

Oh No!  Angry
That can't be!
I thought they were bringing this a/c back for at least a couple of years now.
Hope they don't take them out like this!
I'll search for info.

Greetz!



Flying isn't dangerous. Crashing is what's dangerous!
User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5163 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3334 times:

Seasonal adjustment? I mean, IAD-MXP isn't exactly a hot winter route, is it?

User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3331 times:

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 4):
Seasonal adjustment? I mean, IAD-MXP isn't exactly a hot winter route, is it?

could be as all european airlines goes down with flights to IAD in winter-schedule...



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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4750 posts, RR: 44
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3307 times:

AZ has 5 MD11s in the fleet, all combi's.

2 a/c have been converted to freighters.
1 a/c is undergoing conversion.

2 a/c are currently serving pax destinations - IAD and BOM/DEL. If IAD is going back to 763, it means they're allocating the M11s to India. BOM/DEL do go to 763 next year as the remaining M11s are converted.

AZ desperately needs additional long-haul capactiy. Their long-haul future fleet is based on 14 777s and 15 or so 763s.



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User currently offlineLXsaab2000 From Switzerland, joined Feb 2004, 325 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3296 times:

M11 AZ are "combi version" with 204 seats.
767 AZ "standard" have 214 seats.

Anyway M11 are going to leave AZ pax from November and then they will be put into AZ Cargo.

Bye


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3284 times:

Quoting LXsaab2000 (Reply 7):
M11 AZ are "combi version" with 204 seats.

are the AZ M11 still used as combi? I always thought that had finished that some time ago....

Quoting LXsaab2000 (Reply 7):
Anyway M11 are going to leave AZ pax from November and then they will be put into AZ Cargo.

any new route plnd?

regards
Avianca



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offline797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1894 posts, RR: 27
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3160 times:

Does AZ plan to acquire a new wide body fleet? that would be a great new!

If so, they should keep going with the 777.



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User currently offlineDanimarroquin From Colombia, joined Jan 2005, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3038 times:

Is it truth that Alitalia is looking forward to come back to BOG ?

User currently offlineBaw716 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2028 posts, RR: 27
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2958 times:

It was my understanding of late that AZ was attempting to lease more 777s and 763s. The MD11 (M1M) combi has awful economics in a combi configuration unless you are hauling a lot of cargo. My sense is that the markets they are flying with the M1M are not profitable because they don't generate that much cargo. The 763 has roughly the same number of seats and is more efficient than the M1M, so it would make sense to pull it from the winter schedule and put it in the hanger.

If they do acquire another four to five aircraft, any combination of 777s or 763s (probably more 763s, since it is a low density aircraft with long legs (up to 5800 miles..west coast USA to Milan for example), then they can dump the MD11s and convert them to cargo as they had originally planned. The advantage is that the combis converted to cargo would only have to have one cargo door installed instead of the normal two, since one is already there. I believe all the M11 (all pax) have already been converted to freighters. If any of my friends in Italy can confirm that, I'd appreciate that.

On a personal note, the AZ 763 is a fabulous airplane. Config: 30/175. The contoured seats in Economy are slimlined and a little firm, but what recline and leg space! Magnifica on the 763 is not Magnifica on the 777 for sure, but it is more intimate and on the really long flights, the crew does little extra stuff that makes each flight unique and special. I would fly them again anytime to Italy, no matter what class I fly.

A mio amici en Alitalia, buona fortuna!

Ciao a presto
David Lamb
ex capo commerciale (Area Manager)
Alitalia Northern California
1998-2002
(baw716)



David L. Lamb, fmr Area Mgr Alitalia SFO 1998-2002, fmr Regional Analyst SFO-UAL 1992-1998
User currently offlineVatry From Ireland, joined Sep 2004, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2924 times:

EI-UPA (I-DUPA) is service as an MD11F. EI-UPI (I-DUPI) should now be finished conversion to F at Venice. The other 3 should follow in turn.

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