Lazyshaun From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 563 posts, RR: 0 Posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6403 times:
Some airlines go through years of plane retirement and ordering to make sure they end up all Airbus/Boeing.
Why is this? Maybe if you only have a small fleet it would be simpler to do this, but why do large Intl airlines with shorthaul and longhaul a/c sometimes still won't to have these fleets? Surely it is not good to rely on one manufacture too heavily?
797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1923 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6371 times:
Well, I'd say that having a fleet of one manufacturer would give them some benefits, like pilot training (in case of Airbus A330-340 / Boeing 737) and probably if airlines are thinking of buying aircraft, they could receive special offers from the manufacturer.
Also, the manteinance can be crucial here.
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Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 22161 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6358 times:
But if the manufacturer knows you are with them only, why would you be sure you'd be getting the best deal?
I think it's the manufacturers who want airlines to be all theirs, and not the other way around, but some airlines have been sold on it. which is not to say that given the right offer, they wouldn't buy the other brand if the new model was worth it.
this excludes certain european carriers who will be airbus for political reasons, as well as certain anti-us countries and their flag carriers.
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ACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7964 posts, RR: 32
Reply 7, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6343 times:
Quoting MarshalN (Reply 6): How many airlines actually have an all A or B fleet? Let's not count one-type LCCs since we know who they are already. Not a lot come to mind... AA, CO, UA, BA (?).....
I was just thinking the same thing. BA does have quite a large fleet of A32X though. IIRC, All Nippon is pretty well an all Boeing fleet at present. Of course there are the obvious such as WN, WS and FR which are all B737 fleets.
Lazyshaun From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 563 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6298 times:
Quote: How many airlines actually have an all A or B fleet? Let's not count one-type LCCs since we know who they are already
There are a few, EI, TAP, JAL, BMI.
Some airlines I think had only bough Boeing a/c because they were the only manufacturer available. When 'Bus came along their fleets were maybe ageing, and needed renewing. Maybe some airlines only had a case of selling some 70/2/37s, and bus was proving to be good.
Carpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 3046 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6009 times:
NH & JL will be heading to an all-Boeing fleet, but it will still be some years off before NH sheds their A320s & JL their A300s.
With Skymark, Skynet Asia, & AirDo operating Boeing aircraft the only airline in the future that will take-up Airbus aircraft is the up-start Starflyer, which begins service next March with A320s.
Post WW2, Japan has had much tighter ties with the US, and NH & JL maintenance and operational philosophies have adopted US-based designs.
JAL still operates DC-10s, and the domestic side, which used to be Japan Air System, operates 41 MD80/90s, and a number of A300s. But as Carpethead states in the above post, the Japanese main carriers are heaing for all-Boeing. Any idea what NH will get to replace their A320/321s?
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Lazyshaun From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 563 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5914 times:
BMI have no Fokkers left now, VV701. Plus that 757 doesn't help their all-airbus fleet.
Also LOT are all boeing are they not? Excluding maybe some regional jets.
I think the idea of Airbus small a/c and Boeing heavies or vise versa is a good plan, e.g. Alitalia, BA.
Other example of all A/B fleet is Swiss (LX). Though having Embraers (that they'll get rid of) and Jumbolinos, LX only have Airbus (319/320/321/330/340). That was part of the Swissair management in the late 90ies, when they started to get rid of their 747s and MD11s later on, which left the fleet lately . Now it's only Airbus and Jumbolinos for their smaller destinations (LCY for instance).
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ZSOFN From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1450 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5847 times:
SA are an interesting case; only a couple of years after beginning to receive their brand new 738s they sign a complete fleet renewal contract with Airbus. Once completed they'll have A319s, A320s (although I think they might have cancelled these), A342s, A343Es & A346s. They might also order the A380 to replace the B744s on the LHR route that is almost always at full capacity. We should nevertheless see the B744s for a while yet, and the B738s till 2010.
DALMD88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2880 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5764 times:
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 12): There is little maintenance benefit if you operate a fleet of 200 A320s and 50 A330s vs. 200 A320s and 50 767s
I disagree. There is a lot of commonality between any one manufacturer. All Boeings share a good deal of parts. All Boeing manuals are very similar also. They all share the same culture. I've worked on Douglas products also. They all have a Douglas culture. I bet Airbus has their own culture that runs though the fleet.
As a mechanic switching from one culture to the next is a little jarring. Say you work on B airplanes a lot. You tend to begin to think like B. Your troubleshooting and repair skills get better. Now you get sent to work on a D airplane. What you end up with is a pissed off mechanic because he can't figure out the airplane. All he can think is 'why did D do it this way?'
Gokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1172 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5657 times:
Because a single manufacturers have commonalities between their types hence it reduces pilot training costs maintanace etc. Unless you are Turkish Airlines and you need to impress both U.S. and the E.U. it makes a great sense to have A/B only fleet. However if you have very complex route map like LH,BA,AF you may need to use both but still try to keep it least types as possibble.