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User currently offlineNwafflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1050 posts, RR: 2
Posted (9 years 18 hours ago) and read 1484 times:

Flint has grown enormously, primarily with NW, but also with Delta and Air Trans - the flights I have been on to either DTW or MSP have always been full; however, those flights are being cut back. Any insider info on the future of FNT?

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User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (9 years 15 hours ago) and read 1439 times:

I can say the winter sched is different than the spring and summer sched. DL Connecton is rumored to end the CVG-FNT run and leaving only ATL-FNT but adding another flight on that route.
I cannot agree that NW is cutting back. NW is adding a FNT-LAS non stop and a FNT-RSW non-stop. I believe the TPA-FNT and MCO-FNT daily non stops are coming back in DEC. NW has announced the FNT-FLL non stop will NOT be back.
airTran is also going to fly the FNT-LAS route using their new 737-700. They may on the route now.
I expect another carrier in FNT in the spring because FNT has built on the the terminal, parking lot and will be adding a third baggage carousel. I'm thinking it will be the new USAirways or an outside shot at getting Frontier to move from DTW to FNT. With Frontier, there are two other carriers on the DTW-Denver route. If Frontier would move to FNT, they could own the western routes to and from FNT, using the Denver connection, of course.
I am guessing at the new airlines at FNT.
safe



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User currently offlineMeteorologist From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 15 hours ago) and read 1410 times:

With the demise of ATA Connection at FNT, I'm sure Genessee County and Brooks Patterson would die for new service to MDW/ORD. I'd think you'd see American Eagle there or something along those lines before much else.

User currently offlineAirlinelover From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 5580 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (9 years 15 hours ago) and read 1392 times:

JetBlue has been looking into FNT.. Would be nice to have them coming to the area, but who knows..

DL is cutting back and leaving primarily the ATL-CVG runs in.. NW DOES cut it's feeder service a bit in the winter, but that's normal.. Airtran has room there to keep growing..

Let's not forget the terminal seems to always be expanding in one way or another..

I also see a new airline up there sometime, who knows when tho..

Chris



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User currently offlineBroncoguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 15 hours ago) and read 1393 times:

FNT-CVG got reduced to two flights a day instead of the current four. AA and UA to ORD have been rumored for a while now, but both airlines want gaurenteed profits, which is something that the airport is not ready to give out at this time.

I do agree that there will probobly be a new carrier sometime this spring. By that time the baggage claim area will be semi close to completion and they will begin expanding the gates and gate area. One thing that may happen is the airport may not allow any new airlines to start service so that NW can move into the only open gate when they expand the gates. Does anyone know if FNT has remote parking for airplanes? then they could use busses to take people out to the flights. Other wise there is only one open gate


User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 43
Reply 5, posted (9 years 14 hours ago) and read 1387 times:

Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 1):
I expect another carrier in FNT in the spring because FNT has built on the the terminal, parking lot and will be adding a third baggage carousel. I'm thinking it will be the new USAirways

I can't see that happening. US has had no luck serving FNT in the past, when its network was better suited for it. They're also pulling out of GRR next month.



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User currently offlineBroncoguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 14 hours ago) and read 1379 times:

Quoting A330323X (Reply 5):
I can't see that happening. US has had no luck serving FNT in the past, when its network was better suited for it. They're also pulling out of GRR next month.

But at the same time, if the new US put in a flight to places like CLT, PHL, and PHX they could probably make it work. CLT for people heading south, during the winter FNT has tons of people going south. PHL for people heading to places like NYC or DC because its not out of the way like ATL, MSP or CVG. And PHX because there are no west coast flights out of FNT, PHX would be a great way to pull pax off of other airlines who have to head out of the way to get to places like LAX or other places out west. It would be the same thing with the FL/ NW service to LAS but there are no connecting opportunities with those airlines.

Just my two cents


User currently offlineBroncoguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 14 hours ago) and read 1361 times:

Just wondering... but what would the chances of DL either adding or switching from DTW on the SLC route? Could they fly from both FNT and DTW? What about DL adding flights to JFK or BOS or and east coast place?

Also has anyone heard anything about the government grant that FNT was trying to get in order to have FL start FNT-BWI or FNT-NYC?


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7591 posts, RR: 27
Reply 8, posted (9 years 12 hours ago) and read 1346 times:

Don't look for too much growth at FNT in the short-term.

DL is pulling back their schedule. CVG-FNT will end, with slight increase on ATL-FNT. FNT-SLC will NEVER happen either. If they won't even fly to CVG, SLC won't happen, especially since it requires a E70 or 737 for the route.

The AirTran SCASD grant to start LGA-FNT & BWI-FNT was denied for the 4th year in a row, because they could start this route without subsidies if they really wanted to. Don't look for this to happen either.

Frontier will NOT be coming to FNT. They just started DTW service, and there is absolutely no way they could support both FNT & DTW.

Don't look for USAirways to return either. They struggle enough as it is at DTW. With PIT no longer a viable connecting facility, and pulling out of GRR, don't look for them to return.

NW will continue the seasonal flights to Florida destinations, along with LAS.

FNT is not going to grow that much. Unfortunetely, they have been finding it difficult to capture more O & D from Southeastern Michigan. In reality, FNT is only convienent for Northern Oakland & Livingston counties, along with parts of Mid-Michigan. FNT is not a viable alternative for most of the businesses in Southeastern Michigan. Thats part of the reason AirTran has decided to start service from DTW. From now on out, I highly doubt you will see an airline go into FNT over DTW. There is much greater potential at DTW than FNT, hands down.

The one hole out of FNT is Chicago service. When Chicago Express folded, FNT lost their nonstops to MDW. FNT has repetitively wanted to get AA or UA to ORD, but that is questionable. American Eagle service is questionable due to limited space at ORD and limited amount of available ERJ's.

Just because a terminal expansion is built, it does not necessarily mean huge growth is on the way. FNT isn't exactly in a large booming population area. Southeastern Michigan isn't growing, but its residential population is just sprawling out into the exurbs.


User currently offlineAlphascan From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 937 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (9 years 12 hours ago) and read 1335 times:

safe;

F9 CEO Potter has said new DTW service is exceeding expectations and is already performing at system average, something not expected for up to 12 months after initiating service. I'm not sure about FNT, but its a good bet F9 won't be leaving DTW anytime soon.



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User currently offlineBroncoguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 hours ago) and read 1297 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 8):
DL is pulling back their schedule. CVG-FNT will end,

The route is not ending... it is only being reduced. And the reason that these flights were going to be cut was because they were not making money... even though they were meeting LF expectations.


User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4599 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 hour ago) and read 1251 times:

Quoting Broncoguy (Reply 10):
The route is not ending... it is only being reduced. And the reason that these flights were going to be cut was because they were not making money... even though they were meeting LF expectations.

I think most of this is based on DL focusing on higher yeilding traffic to ATL when competing in the same market with AirTran. What has been going on in Illinois seems to have been taken as a road map for the rest of the network.


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12110 posts, RR: 48
Reply 12, posted (9 years ago) and read 1239 times:
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Quoting Alphascan (Reply 9):
safe;

F9 CEO Potter has said new DTW service is exceeding expectations and is already performing at system average, something not expected for up to 12 months after initiating service. I'm not sure about FNT, but its a good bet F9 won't be leaving DTW anytime soon.

Right now if you ask me, adding service from FNT would take away from the DTW loads. It would make more sense to add GRR over FNT as passengers from GRR would be less likely to make the drive to DTW to catch F9.



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User currently offlineTjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2444 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (9 years ago) and read 1227 times:

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 12):
Right now if you ask me, adding service from FNT would take away from the DTW loads. It would make more sense to add GRR over FNT as passengers from GRR would be less likely to make the drive to DTW to catch F9.

I could see F9 CR7 JetExpress service from GRR-DEN happening.  yes 



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User currently offlineDc8jet From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 326 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years ago) and read 1209 times:

Heard an Air Tran commercial on the radio yesterday saying they were going to start FNT-RSW. Can't remember the effective date. I would guess it's seasonal service.

User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7591 posts, RR: 27
Reply 15, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1198 times:

Quoting Tjwgrr (Reply 13):
I could see F9 CR7 JetExpress service from GRR-DEN happening

You FNT people are way overzealous about thinking that F9 is going to show up. They have much bigger fish to fry than to start service into a secondary airport into a market they just started service into, with an RJ 1200 miles away. Sorry, I don't think so.

Again, FNT's priorities are:
#1 regain service to ORD/MDW
#2 new service to LGA/JFK/EWR
#3 new service to BWI/DCA/IAD

then they can think more along the lines of airports like DFW, PHX, DEN.....

FNT isn't growing that much, other than attempting to get the leisure market crowd. Just like AirTran & NW both starting LAS & RSW service.

NW isn't cutting back on service to DTW or MSP either. Just the usually upgrades & downgrades of aircraft types.


User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2004 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1167 times:

Us TOLans have seen this for years and it's finally hitting FNT. PSU is right, who would want to fly into either of those 2 airports when you can get the draw from Toledo/Flint when you can fly into DTW and get more pull from that market. I hate to say it, but TOL and FNT are going to hafta just play their role as a small supporter to their regions. I think these airports are also going to have to focus on charters/charter airlines as opposed to the big boys because the big boys can consolidate operations up there to cut costs. Probably the reason why AE or UAex hasn't started up FNT is because of it just costing too much when they have large operations in DTW. When Chicago Express was flying TOL-MDW AE threatened to pull out because it costed too much to keep the station open and compete, presumably because AA could still get the passengers to drive to DTW.

Also, I think it's really interesting that DTW is one of the largest markets that has been able to support so many Low Fare Carriers. Outside of the NW hub, they have the market pretty well covered. I would say this plays an important role in the fact FNT isn't going to be able to grow much in the near term. I know it sucks, but welcome to my life  Smile


User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1080 times:

FNT is why NW has stiff competition. airTran keeps prices down especially the FLA and in some cases, the California market. I would believe the west coast cheapies are bleed-overs from Southwest in DTW. You can catch some 200 dollar round trips to PHX out of DTW and FNT if you watch the prices daily. airTran does not serve PHX ..........yet.
AM Eagle pulled out of FNT right after the new terminal opened in the 90's and alot of us "FNT fans" know why.
Yes, FNT growth is slowing from the wild pax boarding pace through the late ninies to today. But you cannot keep up that national record breaking pace forever, can ya? How many airports quadrupled-PLUS their boardings over 11 years?

safe



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