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User currently offlineWnfan333 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3812 times:

Hey everone. I am just about to attend class to become a flight attendant and will be working for WN. I live in Orlando and was wondering how hard it is to commute if your not based in the city you live in. Thanx any info will help.....

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User currently offlineSeven3Seven From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 318 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3791 times:

Congrats on getting hired. You'll LUV it!!!

Send me a private message with your AIM screen name or email and I'll answer any questions I can.

Good luck in class
Seven3Seven



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User currently offlineEwratc From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 48 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3693 times:

Being a former airline pilot (furloughed in 02) and having lived in florida I can tell you first hand it can be a tough commute, get used to the JS and plan ahead good luck


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User currently offlineAirRyan From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2532 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3653 times:

WN's loadfactors are high and they love to overbook so be careful, allow plenty of time, and always be prepared with a backup plan.

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26414 posts, RR: 76
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3620 times:

Quoting AirRyan (Reply 3):
WN's loadfactors are high and they love to overbook so be careful, allow plenty of time, and always be prepared with a backup plan.

Actually, WN has among the lowest load factors of all major carriers



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User currently offlineSeven3Seven From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 318 posts, RR: 23
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3598 times:

Don't listen to these people who think they know everything. Only listen to WN crewmembers. Especially your fellow f/a's who are already doing it


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User currently offlineAirplaneBoy From United States of America, joined May 2004, 560 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3592 times:

I'm currently an FA for Frontier and I live in L.A., while I'm based in DEN. Fortunately for me, my company has a number of DEN-LAX/SNA/SAN flights and I also have many jumpseat agreements with other airlines (AA has 4 daily DEN-LAX flights, Skywest/UA Express flies DEN-BUR, etc.).

Like ewratc said, be prepared and plan ahead. I know that WN does not have any FA jumpseat agreements with other airlines, so you are limited to commuting on WN only, or you'll have you use your ZED corporate travel agreements to purchase passes on other airlines as a back up. Be sure to research who flies where and to come up with alternate "connection" airports should you ever have to deviate (i.e. weather, all nonstops are full, etc.).

You should definitely speak with another WN FA commuter, particularly one who commutes from MCO. Once you've got it down and you plan ahead, things should always be fine. Of course, one thing to ALWAYS keep a track of: weather!  Smile

Cheers!


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26414 posts, RR: 76
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3574 times:

Quoting Seven3Seven (Reply 5):
Don't listen to these people who think they know everything. Only listen to WN crewmembers. Especially your fellow f/a's who are already doing it

Hey pal, guess what, WN has to publish load factors quarterly and annually, just like every other carrier. They have among the lowest load factors of any major carrier. It is another way that shows just how well WN is run (with the exception of the occaisional bad apple). Try reading about your company first before spouting off about other people



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User currently offlineAirRyan From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2532 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3556 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 7):
Quoting Seven3Seven (Reply 5):
Don't listen to these people who think they know everything. Only listen to WN crewmembers. Especially your fellow f/a's who are already doing it

Hey pal, guess what, WN has to publish load factors quarterly and annually, just like every other carrier. They have among the lowest load factors of any major carrier. It is another way that shows just how well WN is run (with the exception of the occaisional bad apple). Try reading about your company first before spouting off about other people

Okay feel free to enlighten me here but I was always under the impression that high load factors were desirable i.e. load factor=(RPM's/ASM's.)

AirCanada seems to be pretty proud of their recent high load factors...  scratchchin 
http://biz.yahoo.com/cnw/050907/e_aircanada_loadaugus.html?.v=1

My comment was intended to warn that non-rev'ing on WN can be less than desirable especially in peak travel times since their flights are usually booked very high and WN in particular likes to overbook all the time to ensure full capacity flights.

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/2005-07-21-workers-seats_x.htm


User currently offlineAirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3512 times:

Wnfan333 where are you going to be based? Baltimore?

User currently offlineAggieflyboi04 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3504 times:

WNfan when are you going to trainning, I have frineds who where invited to the Oct class but then the class was postponed and they are hearing there is a good chance of no more classed until 2006. As far as commuting, I know several WN Fa's that commute and they never really have a problem, the commute to OAK, MDW, BWI and one to MCO from all over the country.

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26414 posts, RR: 76
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3492 times:

Quoting AirRyan (Reply 8):
Okay feel free to enlighten me here but I was always under the impression that high load factors were desirable i.e. load factor=(RPM's/ASM's.)

Fully planes don't always make money. Legacy carriers were losing money on load factors of near 90% while WN makes money on LFs between 66-70%

Quoting AirRyan (Reply 8):
My comment was intended to warn that non-rev'ing on WN can be less than desirable especially in peak travel times since their flights are usually booked very high and WN in particular likes to overbook all the time to ensure full capacity flights.

Again, systemwide, WN's load factors are not all that high. Also, they have a high number of no shows from my experience, with their full flights often going out with open seats. It is a sign of good revenue management



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User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3132 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3438 times:

I commute from MCO or TPA to MKE. And in a few weeks I will being working for another airline and will also commute from MCO/TPA to my new base. I have not had any problems commuting at any time. I have had to JS a few times but then again that was when the a/c was downsized.


Sean



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User currently offlineWnfan333 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3197 times:

Hey aggie I live in MCO and like your friend said classes have been postponed and I probaly wont be going until Jan or Feb 06......I got a letter last week. They said they will give us monthly updates....Oh well its worth waitig for...

User currently offlineOptionsCLE From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 467 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3180 times:

Is it just pilots that get positive space reservations? I know I always saw "CREWONE" etc. PS bookings when I flew NR with my airline.

On a separate note, I don't really have much compassion when it comes to seeing WN employees unable to get ZED tickets on the rest of the nation's carriers. They don't interline bags or passengers and won't nonrev any of us!


User currently offlineBridogger6 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 710 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3168 times:

Quoting OptionsCLE (Reply 14):
On a separate note, I don't really have much compassion when it comes to seeing WN employees unable to get ZED tickets on the rest of the nation's carriers. They don't interline bags or passengers and won't nonrev any of us!

Contrary to that, our station agreement in PHX allows us to non-rev on WN, and I have to say they have always been great to me. I can't complain, even though I do still prefer HP. I noticed WN's leather seats give their planes a distinct smell, I'm not sure if I like it or not, but it doesn't smell like leather. :P


User currently offlineAv8trxx From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 657 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3141 times:

Quoting Wnfan333 (Thread starter):
I am just about to attend class to become a flight attendant and will be working for WN. I live in Orlando and was wondering how hard it is to commute if your not based in the city you live in.

That depends on where you live and your base and how many flights you need to take to get there. Seeing as you live in MCO, I can bet you are giong to try and get that as a base. MCO is a smaller base compared to others at 672 F/As. If you don't get it in training, you can put in a transfer.

Providing you end up commuting, even if the cabin is full, you can still ride "4th" to get to work. If a flight is full you should get to the airport early and be first in line an hour before to sign up for the 4th (extra) flight attendant jumpseat. Sign ups are first come, first served.


User currently offlineAv8trxx From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 657 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3128 times:

BTW- there is a Southwest forum on the boards at www.flightattendants.org. It costs $15 per year to be a member though.

User currently offlineWnfan333 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3089 times:

Does anyone that works with WN know if MCO is hard to get and how long it takes to be based there????

User currently offlineAv8rPHX From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 713 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3031 times:

Commuting sucks...




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User currently offlineAlias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2753 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3000 times:

Quoting OptionsCLE (Reply 14):
Is it just pilots that get positive space reservations? I know I always saw "CREWONE" etc. PS bookings when I flew NR with my airline.

"CREWONE" "CREWTWO" etc. is for deadheading crews. Could be pilots or flight attendants. Commuters use their space available passes.



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User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3132 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2952 times:

MCO is a rough base to get and it is very senior. The new hire classes for WN are going to OAK,MDW, and BWI. So if you make it through training put your transfer in right away. The company I work for now has MCO and FLL as bases and for both there is a 3 year waiting list. I am getting ready to put my transfer request in to get on the list. But anyway I still commute from GNV which is the closest airport to my house. Otherwise it TPA and then MCO as far as loads go.


Sean from MCO and IND



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User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3704 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2906 times:
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I've been commuting for three and a half years, and I can say that it sucks! Be prepared to sit on the jumpseat, which will be no fun. On top of that you will be the junior person if there is another commuter on your flight, and if it's a full flight he/she will get the jumpseat and you will be at the gate watching your ride push back without you. I'm not sure where you will be commuting from, but my recommendation is to befriend the local employees and see if they can hook you up with some counter to counter passes on other airlines. This will help your commuting life. Enjoy commuting, it'll be fun the first few times, but it gets old really fast.


p.s.
If you are able to get the counter to counter passes, don't use them while in uniform. If you are using a pass on an airline that doesn't not have a reciprocal jumpseat with WN they may kick you off. Take your seat like any other non-rev does.



Nice Trip Report!!! Great Pics, thanks for posting!!!! B747Forever
User currently offlineSonOfACaptain From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1747 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2874 times:

Just remember one thing. Don't let it bother you. Just do it. If you think about it too much, you will be bothered by it. It may take some time to get use to it, but the best thing to do is just don't think about it.

-SOAC



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User currently offlineAA717driver From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1566 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2845 times:

Positive space... Sorry I took so long to respond, I had to stop my hysterical laughter and get up off the floor.  Wink Big grin TC


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25 Av8trxx : Thank goodness it doesn't work that way at Southwest. As mentioned, the 4th F/A seat is assigned on a first come, first served basis and not by senio
26 ETStar : So, with folks signing up on the "4th", would you, as a commuter, chip in to help those who are working the flight? Does the airline frown upon an FA
27 Av8rPHX : So, with folks signing up on the "4th", would you, as a commuter, chip in to help those who are working the flight? Does the airline frown upon an FA
28 SHUPirate1 : How much "lead time" do you have on Southwest to get to your base if you are on reserve? If you have, say, 90 minutes, you probably would be smart to
29 Jetdeltamsy : Most likely you'll be required to relocate to your base. It's very unusual to have reserve flight attendants living away from their base.
30 Aggieflyboi04 : WN jumpseats are first come first serve for FA's to my knowledge. Well that may change, they are having a class starting in oct now and have called a
31 Suv : Having flown for many years, my opinion is as a new-hire live somewhat close to your domicile..ie..driving distance. It is tough learning a new job an
32 Jetdeltamsy : Clearly you haven't flown WN very often. Including non-revs with higher boarding priority, Southwest planes go out full much of the time.
33 Ckfred : A little off the subject, but why doesn't WN have jumpseat agreements with other carriers? I only ask, because a friend of mine is a pilot with AA, an
34 Post contains images CO767FA : I'm a 20 year F/A and I'd rather not commute. Will you be holding a line right out of training? If not, try to move near your base location, commuting
35 N1120A : Hmmm, lets see, not only have I flown WN often enough to get several Rapid Rewards free tickets, I have also dated a WN flight attendant. I was on a
36 SHUPirate1 : In that case, American or United must have been hurting on that flight...I think you meant PVD-MDW, if you were referring to WN.
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