Iowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4105 posts, RR: 7 Posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1881 times:
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UA operates 3 daily EMB-120's from LAS to both Palm Springs and Fresno, what is the reason behind that? There isn't anything to connect to other than another UA hub. I'm sure it's mostly O&D, but it just seems weird UA would operate that. They also have HP (Mesa) and Allegiant on LAS-FAT to compete with.
Wedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5534 posts, RR: 5 Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1869 times:
Those two routes have been around forever. I would imagine they're making some kind of money on those routes, if they still exist.
I want to say the PSP-LAS flight has always been a Skywest route. And the FAT-LAS route was the old Westair route.
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 79 Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1864 times:
Remember that those flights all continue to or start from LAX and are nice ways to spread out aircraft utilization while giving O&D customers a service.
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Iowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4105 posts, RR: 7 Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1845 times:
Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 1): Those two routes have been around forever. I would imagine they're making some kind of money on those routes
I guess.
Quoting N1120A (Reply 2): Remember that those flights all continue to or start from LAX and are nice ways to spread out aircraft utilization while giving O&D customers a service.
Very true. I guess the EMB-120's don't have a very tight schedule in California.
Goldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5446 posts, RR: 12 Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1802 times:
It's one way to rotate aircraft between systems while also making money. They tend to go out quite full, too.
This is just a small portion of what is left of SkyWest's system after they bought out Sun Air. It worked then, and continues to work now, so why stop a good thing?
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SHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3661 posts, RR: 18 Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1795 times:
Goldenshield-Aren't Fresno and Palm Springs also Skywest domiciles?
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Goldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5446 posts, RR: 12 Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1791 times:
Yes, they are, but that has nothing to do with revenue produced on the flight.
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FATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5668 posts, RR: 17 Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 1686 times:
I believe under the UAX contract, Skywest is allowed to fly a small percentage of UAX flights (under 10% comes to mind) as "at risk" meaning UA won't subsidize the service. FAT-LAS and PSP-LAS are part of the "at risk" service". So Skywest is seeing a financial benefit by operating these flights otherwise they would be gone.
FAT-LAS was a DLConnection route in the past IIRC. It converted to UAX as Delta pulled down the LAX operation.
FAT-LAS has almost always been a popular route, the drive can be 5-6 hours on a good day, 7 or 8 hours when traffic is bad on I-15 which is every weekend. It has been flown by various airlines including the current operators as well as the old Air21, several scheduled charter operators, etc. The UAX flights are popular as a way for Fresno area UA frequent fliers to pick up some easy miles.
FAT and PSP both also host Mx hangars for Skywest. I'm not sure how the work is split these days, we seem to see more CRJs at the FAT hangar these days.
LAS may allow a little swapping of aircraft to Maintenance but don't forget the only other route Skywest has into LAS is from St. George, which only sees a few DLConn flights from SLC each day so not much swapping can occur from that direction.
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Goldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5446 posts, RR: 12 Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1672 times:
Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 7): the only other route Skywest has into LAS is from St. George
Not so for at least a year and a half;however, we still do a LAS-SLC roundtrip once a day or so.
The brasilias that go to LAS do not return to their origin, e.g. PSP-LAS-FAT, FAT-LAS-PSP. PSP only connects to LAX, and FAT to both LAX and SFO, which makes it easier to route the bird.
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Boeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1659 times:
Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 7): I believe under the UAX contract, Skywest is allowed to fly a small percentage of UAX flights (under 10% comes to mind) as "at risk" meaning UA won't subsidize the service. FAT-LAS and PSP-LAS are part of the "at risk" service". So Skywest is seeing a financial benefit by operating these flights otherwise they would be gone.
This is 100% accurate. You can get UA or DL miles on them, I beleive they only show up in the UA schedule. When UA and OO renegotiated there was a provision to add flights on their own up to the 10% level.
FATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5668 posts, RR: 17 Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1652 times:
Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 8): Not so for at least a year and a half;however, we still do a LAS-SLC roundtrip once a day or so.
I got to sleep in this morning so I'm still waking up but I thought those SLC flights were now CR7s flown by the "other guys". I don't see any Skywest SLC-LAS in my current schedule.
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Goldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5446 posts, RR: 12 Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1643 times:
Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 10): I don't see any in my current schedule.
I haven't really checked lately, but I know that I've worked them in the past.
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FATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5668 posts, RR: 17 Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1632 times:
Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 11): I haven't really checked lately, but I know that I've worked them in the past.
I just looked again and the only DLConn flights on that route are coded with flight numbers starting 48xx or 46xx. Plus they are CR7s now which Skywest doesn't have in DL colors.
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Goldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5446 posts, RR: 12 Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1633 times:
Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 12): Plus they are CR7s now which Skywest doesn't have in DL colors.
They do now.
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Iowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4105 posts, RR: 7 Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1609 times:
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Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 7): but don't forget the only other route Skywest has into LAS is from St. George,
Yeah those are gone, there is a couple SGU-LAX though.
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Ralgha From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 1614 posts, RR: 6 Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1532 times:
Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 8):
The brasilias that go to LAS do not return to their origin, e.g. PSP-LAS-FAT, FAT-LAS-PSP.
The early and late flights from Fresno return to Fresno. The midday one I think goes to Palm Springs.
Quoting N1120A (Reply 2): Remember that those flights all continue to or start from LAX and are nice ways to spread out aircraft utilization while giving O&D customers a service.
The early flight from Fresno originates in Fresno, not Los Angeles. The late flight back to Fresno does not continue to Los Angeles, it terminates in Fresno.
Quoting Iowaman (Reply 3): I guess the EMB-120's don't have a very tight schedule in California.
Tell that to the crews doing 8 legs a day with no breaks.
AZFLYER84 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 107 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1441 times:
America West Express (Mesa Airlines) starts service from LAS-PSP soon using the Dash.
ExFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 9 Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1427 times:
Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 7): FAT-LAS was a DLConnection route in the past IIRC
You are correct - I flew it several times as DL, and since then as UA.
Every time I've ever flown the route, the loads have been very good, and AFAIK the yields are good. The only nonstop competition on FAT-LAS is Allegiant, and that's not daily.
Ralgha From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 1614 posts, RR: 6 Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1426 times:
Quoting AZFLYER84 (Reply 17): America West Express (Mesa Airlines) starts service from LAS-PSP soon using the Dash. Smile Smile
How does that rate " "?
Mesa is considered by most pilots in the industry to be the scourge of the industry.
Iowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4105 posts, RR: 7 Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1393 times:
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Mesa has 1x CRJ and 1x CR9.
Quoting AZFLYER84 (Reply 17): America West Express (Mesa Airlines) starts service from LAS-PSP soon using the Dash.
Sweet, I guess they are using the Dash due to better climb over the mountains etc.? Anyone know the start date?
Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 18): The only nonstop competition on FAT-LAS is Allegiant, and that's not daily.
SHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3661 posts, RR: 18 Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1363 times:
Quoting Ralgha (Reply 19): Mesa is considered by most pilots in the industry to be the scourge of the industry.
Mesa is also considered by most customers in the industry to be the scourge of the industry, especially for those America West, United, or US Airways fliers, who are dumb enough to, time and time again, be left stranded in (insert hub city here) because they can't seem to keep their flights relatively close to on-time.
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FATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5668 posts, RR: 17 Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1341 times:
Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 18): The only nonstop competition on FAT-LAS is Allegiant, and that's not daily.
There are now 3 airlines on the FAT-LAS route. UAX, AWX, and Allegiant. AWX/Mesa is operating 2 CR9's daily (it just upgraded from a CR9 and a CRJ). The times are departing FAT at 2:00p and 9:15p.
edit - I should clarify. It is 2 CR9s on FAT-LAS and a CR9 and a CRJ on LAS-FAT. The second outbound just went to the larger capacity aircraft.
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Vegasplanes From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 778 posts, RR: 2 Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1271 times:
Quoting Iowaman (Thread starter):
Not so for at least a year and a half;however, we still do a LAS-SLC roundtrip once a day or so.
Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 10): got to sleep in this morning so I'm still waking up but I thought those SLC flights were now CR7s flown by the "other guys". I don't see any Skywest SLC-LAS in my current schedule.
For 9/29/05 for example, DL shows 8 n/s LAS-SLC, 2 CRJ7, 1 757, 1 738, 2 733, 2 MD90. Looks like a lot more than 1 flight per day.
Iowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4105 posts, RR: 7 Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1270 times:
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Quoting Vegasplanes (Reply 23): For 9/29/05 for example, DL shows 8 n/s LAS-SLC, 2 CRJ7, 1 757, 1 738, 2 733, 2 MD90. Looks like a lot more than 1 flight per day.
Not so for at least a year and a half;however, we still do a LAS-SLC roundtrip once a day or so.
Not sure how I got quoted on that..
25 FATFlyer: Exactly. Notice my reference to the "other guys" in reply 10 and flight numbers in reply 12. More than one DLConn operator at SLC and LAS-SLC isn't f
26 ExFATboy: I did not know this...cool! I can't remember when there were three airlines on FAT-LAS...last time before now I even remember 2 was when Air 21 was a
27 FATFlyer: I don't have my stuff in front of me. That was what Air21 and FunJet or someone like that?
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but I thought those SLC flights were now CR7s flown by the "other guys". I don't see any Skywest SLC-LAS in my current schedule.
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