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New JetBlue Route: IAD-PDX?  
User currently offlineJeckPDX From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 255 posts, RR: 1
Posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5200 times:

I am a intern for JetBlue @ PDX. I hear from mgmt that there is a strong possibility that IAD-PDX could be one of he next JetBlue routes launched. From what I've told it will increase a/c utilization @ IAD where a plane is parked overnight that coul do a red-eye IAD-PDX. It will run @ similar times as the red-eyes from PDX/SEA-JFK.

From what I've heard this is being strongly considered by mgmt in NY, and is close to being announced formally. It will also be interesting to see how UA reacts to this as they are the only other carrier serving PDX-IAD non-stop, albeit with more frequency and far better departure and arrival times. It will definitely cause them to lower fares to compete, as JetBlue has a great name recognition for their innovative in flight service and entertainment. Some travelers might be willing to put up with the lousy slot times to fly JetBlue, if this route comes to fruition.

This is not the first time I've heard it mentioned and I seem to be hearing about it more frequently. I hope to hear an official announcement soon!

Cheers to JetBlue and their prosperity.

JeckPDX


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User currently offlineFA4B6 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5158 times:

seems logical. PDX would mirror SMF with a redeye to JFK and IAD.

Is the market there though? I would hope the idle plane would be used on a second IAD-SAN


User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5116 times:

I would think so. Business travel on that route is probably strong. Plus the huge tourist market. Seems like a great idea!

Speaking of JetBlue at PDX, how are JFK loads??


User currently offlineFlashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2903 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5053 times:
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Yeah there's a market IAD-PDX. UA's flown it for a long time. In fact, I remember reading somewhere that (at least back in the day), IAD-PDX was one of their better performing routes. I know in my travels to Washington from here, I've never been able to get on it because it was either sold out or far too expensive than a connecting flight.

As far as UA having better frequencies, they only go once a day unless something's changed recently. True, that the times could be better, although I know a lot of people who prefer a red-eye to go east than a 7am flight...

I think it would be a win for B6 to do it. Now, since UA handles them in PDX, could that introduce heartburn since it would impact one of their routes?


User currently offlineLeneld From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 606 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5023 times:

Any news of additional flights at PDX is good news for me. I wonder if Boston will be next?

User currently offlineTedEx From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4994 times:

I wonder if/when B6 will begin to connect the West Coast dots with north/south service?

User currently offlineLeneld From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 606 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4979 times:

I hate to say this, but with these new additional flights, this once agian proves that Alaska Airlines is not interested in expanding out of Portland. This difuses all the statement that I heard over and over agian on here " If the market was there , they would fly them"......

User currently offlineFlashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2903 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4833 times:
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You're exactly right, Leneld... WN saw a market to Chicago, jetBlue saw a market to New York, and now perhaps to Washington too. You can't convince me that AS couldn't make some Florida flights work. And now comes the whole "we can make more in Seattle" argument, which is fine, but in any case, Alaska's leaving money on the table in Portland.

As for B6 north/south service, I'm not sure it'll happen anytime soon. If B6 opened north/south routes out of LGB, or especially OAK, they'd have to have high frequencies to combat WN, AS, and UA. Now, a better strategy might be to link LGB/OAK with secondary markets like EUG, FAT, RDM, MFR, GEG, etc., using the 190s, but that's a lousy connection, for instance, EUG-LGB-IAD.


User currently offlineInTheSky74 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4817 times:

Any growth for B6 would be a great thing.

I hope that the rumor is true.

Rob


User currently offlineB6FA4ever From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 818 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4811 times:

any can be possible in PDX. a friend of mine was helping out in the PDX press conference and she was told that we have access to 2 gates there. don't be surprised as the E190's start coming online and relinquishing the A320 duties (for upstate NY runs) there'll be more transcon connect-the-dots going on.

Loads to/from PDX to JFK have been pretty full. so expansion is always a high possibility. tho wonder if it'll be like SEA tho have have a seasonal additional flight from JFK-PDX. oh well...bring on the flights baby!

~B6FA4ever


User currently offlineThelowfarehero From Cayman Islands, joined Aug 2005, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4800 times:

with the 190's coming online soon and hopefully filling the east coast short/med hops, hopefully we can see some westcoast expansions like SEA/PDX-BUR/SAN, SEA/PDX-LAS...and some more transcons BUR-IAD/FLL, SAN-EWR/BOS


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User currently offlineInTheSky74 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4779 times:

You probably won't see the 190 on any of the JFK - upstate NY runs because the flights are always full already. You may see them ADD flights with the 190 to upstate NY in addition to their current flights....

Rob


User currently offlineJeckPDX From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 255 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4710 times:

Quoting Flashmeister (Reply 7):
As for B6 north/south service, I'm not sure it'll happen anytime soon. If B6 opened north/south routes out of LGB, or especially OAK, they'd have to have high frequencies to combat WN, AS, and UA

Agreed...I'm not sure B6 is ready to compete with the high frequencies and low fares offered by the previously mentioned airlines on north/south routes on the west coast, not to mention a current lack of equipment. I beleive there may be a niche market to LGB from PDX, as many travelers like to avoid the size/crowds of LAX nor want to pay the high fares to go into Orange County.

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 2):
Business travel on that route is probably strong. Plus the huge tourist market. Seems like a great idea!

There is definitely a business market with Nike, Tektronix, Intel, Columbia Sportswear, Widmer Brewing, and many others I'm sure I'm missing headquartered or with significant operations in PDX. There is also a strong tourist market June-Sept. The Oregon coast is a huge tourist destination featured in many travel publications, not to mention tourism to the city of Portland itself.

Quoting B6FA4ever (Reply 9):
Loads to/from PDX to JFK have been pretty full. so expansion is always a high possibility. tho wonder if it'll be like SEA tho have have a seasonal additional flight from JFK-PDX

Loads factors on the lone PDX-JFK flight have been very high, in the 90's I beleive. An additional JFK-PDX service could be a possibility once the E-190s replace the Airbii on some shorter routes. This would probably start out seasonal but depending on load factors, could stick around all year (pure speculation). I would definitely plan to see the IAD-PDX service first. I beleive this will be a very successful route to give travelers an alternaitve to UA and thier notoriously high fares going non-stop. Combined with B6's inflight product, this will be a winner. Already in PDX word of mouth is spreading about JetBlue's infight service and people are talking about it like crazy. Not to mention the spare gate B6 has at PDX.

This is being looked at very seriously,
I'm sure we will find out in the next few months.

JeckPDX



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User currently offlineLeneld From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 606 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4609 times:

When Jetblue first started service from PDX-JFK, LAS was one of the cities the spokeperson stated that Jetblue is considering operating out of PDX. So it would not surprise me if it also added later once more a320's are freed up... Back to my Alaska analysis, Southwest is adding additional flight to LAS out of PDX this fall. I think Alaska has truly miss the ball where PDX is concerned.........

User currently offlineIRelayer From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1073 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4611 times:

B6 could make West Coast shuttle services work very easily with their 190's. Problem would be profitability. The first and foremost candidate would be LGB-OAK. They should start there with maybe 5 flights a day, and mirror that with a BUR-OAK routing. If those work out, they could do SAN-OAK, SAN-SJC, OAK-PDX, LGB/BUR-PDX, LGB/BUR-SEA. If I were JetBlue I wouldn't touch the LAS, RNO, or PHX markets. Low yield and not worth it to go up against WN. However any connecting of the dots would have to be far in the future, b/c as we all know the 190's are reserved for Florida first, East Coast second, and West Coast a very distant third.

-IR


User currently offlineThelowfarehero From Cayman Islands, joined Aug 2005, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4540 times:

Quoting IRelayer (Reply 14):
The first and foremost candidate would be LGB-OAK.

The only problem is that LGB is basically maxed out on it's slots, B6 would have to drop a few other flights to accomodate this.

Quoting IRelayer (Reply 14):
they could do SAN-OAK, SAN-SJC, OAK-PDX, LGB/BUR-PDX, LGB/BUR-SEA

It would be very smart for them to operate these high yielding routes and make a solid presence on west coast service.



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User currently offlineB6FA4ever From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 818 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4519 times:

well right now we only have 2 gates in OAK to use. it would be hard to add more flights when (at times) OAK can be crunched for gate space since we have quite a few flights through the day that leave at the same time. how much longer till the new terminal in OAK for WN is finally complete? hopefully soon then all the airlines in Term 1 can do a little shuffle and give a few more gates to the other airlines. the SF east bay has a lot of potential for addt'l service!

~B6FA4ever


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13699 posts, RR: 61
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4503 times:
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Quoting Leneld (Reply 6):
I hate to say this, but with these new additional flights, this once agian proves that Alaska Airlines is not interested in expanding out of Portland. This difuses all the statement that I heard over and over agian on here " If the market was there , they would fly them"......

Leneld, you're becoming a threat to dead horses everywhere.  Wink

It's not that the market isn't there - it's that the market isn't profitable right now thanks to the abysmal economy in PDX. That's why AAG continues to harmonize their schedules with QX where necessary to still offer a high level of service, while doing so without incurring a bloodbath of red ink.

Also, right now AS mainline aircraft are better utilized on SEA - East Coast routes than having them originate in PDX. When (or if) that changes, AS will definitely shift more capacity to PDX.

But for right now it's just not in the cards.



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User currently offlineAirline7322 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4422 times:

Orbitz seems to indicate that US Airways has a nonstop from IAD-PDX using an Aibrus A319. Is this really correct? If so, then United is not the lone wolf on this coveted route.


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User currently offlineB6FA4ever From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 818 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4399 times:

Quoting Airline7322 (Reply 18):
Orbitz seems to indicate that US Airways has a nonstop from IAD-PDX using an Aibrus A319. Is this really correct? If so, then United is not the lone wolf on this coveted route.

its probably one of the MANY codeshare flights US/UA have together.

~B6FA4ever


User currently offlineAirline7322 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4385 times:

Good point, I should have looked more closely. Glad to know someone's checking my facts...


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User currently offlineFlypdx From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 636 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4376 times:

Quoting Airline7322 (Reply 18):
Orbitz seems to indicate that US Airways has a nonstop from IAD-PDX using an Aibrus A319. Is this really correct? If so, then United is not the lone wolf on this coveted route.

It's a UA codeshare. We don't have US...We almost did, but then they pulled out before they came here.


User currently offlineB6FA4ever From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 818 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4365 times:

Quoting Flypdx (Reply 21):
We don't have US...We almost did, but then they pulled out before they came here.

i'm sorry but my mind just went straight to the gutter after i read this. *LOL* please accept my apologies for my dirty mind  Smile

~B6FA4ever


User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4097 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4356 times:

Quoting Leneld (Reply 6):
I hate to say this, but with these new additional flights, this once agian proves that Alaska Airlines is not interested in expanding out of Portland

While it may be a business decision to avoid the "economy" in PDX, these are opportunities that will be forever lost to AS. This past year they lost their #1 status at PDX to WN and they will never get that back, for sure.

Quoting B6FA4ever (Reply 9):
any can be possible in PDX. a friend of mine was helping out in the PDX press conference and she was told that we have access to 2 gates there

If JetBlue really wanted to pony up the cash, they could have permanent gates, PDX has a number of gates that are only used to RON aircraft and stay vacant much of the day. They could acquire some gates and in turn sublet them to other carriers when B6 aircraft are not in-station. It really wouldn't be a big problem for some carriers to RON their aircraft at a remote location instead of at a gate, UA parks at least two aircraft a night on remote ramp spots.

Quoting Flashmeister (Reply 3):
Now, since UA handles them in PDX, could that introduce heartburn since it would impact one of their routes?

Maybe UA wouldn't handle them anymore. America West could work it, or (god forbid) ATS.

Quoting Airline7322 (Reply 18):
Orbitz seems to indicate that US Airways has a nonstop from IAD-PDX using an Aibrus A319. Is this really correct?

Codeshare. I have never seen a US aircraft at PDX in the 3+ years I've worked at the airport.


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13699 posts, RR: 61
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4336 times:
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Quoting HPRamper (Reply 23):
This past year they lost their #1 status at PDX to WN and they will never get that back, for sure.

So what? What good is it to hold the number one spot in the market when you're losing money doing it?  sarcastic 

I'd rather be #2 and make money than be #1 and lose it.



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25 HPRamper : I wasn't making a money point, I was just making an example. Southwest has added flights while AS has reduced theirs. AS just does not have the same f
26 JeckPDX : The Oregon economy has improved drastically in the last year. Unemployment has decreased while several major corporations (many of which are the incl
27 HPRamper : And the fact that they have regular Horizon shuttles between PDX and SEA, only a 45 minute flight or so. I did see a news article from a few years ag
28 B6sea : I dont know if this fact has been discussed before but AS doesn't exactly have the planes right now to do PDX-east coast routes (temporarily stopped
29 Flashmeister : ...it's that the market isn't profitable right now thanks to the abysmal economy in PDX What was the dead horse again? I'd like to see the abysmal Por
30 JeckPDX : Too bad...the route would have been a winner, IMO, and might have prompted WN to seriously consider flying the route as well as the now have a signif
31 EA CO AS : No, but... And the simple fact that there's a finite number of planes in the fleet, and the best utilization for them right now is on nonstops to/fro
32 Dolphinflyer : meaning what? ALB? I'll be (pleasantly) surprised if that happens. What other new 190 markets would there be in Upstate NY?
33 InTheSky74 : I wasn't saying new markets... although that may happen in time. I just think you could see JetBlue adding flights (in addition to the A320 flights) t
34 Stirling : WN has just announced a re-deployed MSY aircraft will fly PDX-LAS. Down the road, when expansion is complete, and WN gives up their T2 gates, B6 will
35 Flypdx : It was around 2000/2001. 9/11 had a major impact on the decision i suppose. I know they were looking at PIT and possibly PHL, though I am not sure.
36 HPRamper : The new Nautilus world headquarters being finished in Vancouver. The list goes on and on, too much to think about.
37 KWBL : US was indeed planning on serving PDX with 2x daily to PIT and 1x daily to PHL. They also announced AUS and SAT at the same time but of course none of
38 JeckPDX : Unfortunately, this is the case, however is not nearly as bad as SoCal yet. I just bought a 2500 sq. ft. Row home/townhome with 3 bedrooms and a sitt
39 Flashmeister : Anyone know why DL pulled their transcons to JFK/BOS from PDX several years back? Because they abandoned their PDX asian gateway at the same time, and
40 HPRamper : At the very least, Portland is growing at a rapid pace. Seattle isn't growing any more. Traffic at PDX is consistently increasing...and who is taking
41 KWBL : PDX just released the stats for the month. Comparing the mainline carriers, AS had the lowest average # of PAX per flight (107). WN was 2nd lowest at
42 JeckPDX : Once again, agreed, PDX is starting a major growth spurt and those that are first in line will be the ones getting the cash pile so to speak. If AS w
43 Post contains images StevenUhl777 : UA operates a 7am flight, one daily during the fall/winter/spring months, and then another A320 is added for summer connections to Europe, etc. If B6
44 Post contains images Redngold : Actually, I hear that the newest jetBlue route is BUR-LAX, via LGB and circuits over the Pacific Ocean.
45 Flypdx : I am.
46 Post contains links Flashmeister : PIT? Not sure about that, Flash. My understanding was that PDX-PHL was high on the list, for int'l. connection opportunities in PHL. Looks like we're
47 Post contains images StevenUhl777 : Thanks for clarifying that... Now that US *will* be flying to PDX as part of the US/HP merger, I wonder when they'll start PDX-PHL and possibly PIT as
48 Flashmeister : I don't see US(HP) starting PDX-PIT, but if they're smart, they'll start PDX-PHL in a hurry before WN does... I think this route is a winner.
49 Joeman : [quote=KWBL,reply=41] US will most likely go to PHL, B6 to BOS, MCO & MIA/FLL, CO to CLE, WN to BWI, & AA or WN to STL. The chances of regular CO CLE-
50 KWBL : I agree that CO to CLE is not likely but given all of the routes not currently served, this a has a a better chance of others because of CO's hub. As
51 Flashmeister : That's true, KWBL. USAir did serve PDX, and I remember they served EUG for a short time as well, both on the coattails of PSA.
52 Joeman : [quote=KWBL,reply=50] agree that CO to CLE is not likely but given all of the routes not currently served, this a has a a better chance of others beca
53 JeckPDX : UPDATE: I am again hearing rumors of a start date next spring for IAD-PDX, nothing official yet...but the talk of this happening here in PDX is increa
54 HPRamper : All AA flights into PDX are from Dallas or Chicago. I checked STL arrivals and they do not have a single flight from PDX. Maybe it goes up for bid ag
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